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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:00 PM
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Failure of pseudo centrism? Blurring distinctions in the name of bipartisanship.
Edited on Mon Nov-08-10 07:24 PM by madfloridian
Last June before Howard Dean made the decision not to say anything to put the party or president in jeopardy for the election, he had some powerful words to say.

From the Washington Post:

Dean at progressive conference: Time for Democrats to 'behave like Democrats'

As Arkansas Democrats go to the polls Tuesday to determine the fate of Sen. Blanche Lincoln, a moderate Democrat under siege from liberals, former Vermont governor Howard Dean said the progressive movement is finished with supporting Democrats who demoralize the party's left wing.

Dean, in a fiery speech Tuesday at the America's Future Now conference, gave voice to frustrations on the left that President Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress have not used their big majorities to pursue a more progressive agenda. "We are done with putting people in office who then forget who got them there," said Dean, a former Democratic National Committee chairman.

"You did your job," Dean added. "You elected Barack Obama. You elected a Democratic Congress. You elected a Democratic Senate. And now it's time for them to behave like Democrats if they want to get reelected. They have forgotten where they came from -- and they haven't been here that long."

Dean echoed other progressive leaders who opened the conference Monday, expressing dismay, even anger, at the White House and Congress, saying they have been too timid and compromising on issues such as health care, the economy, climate change and banking reform.


Dean never said too much later as the election neared. I think he was basically correct then in June.

At Huffington Post this week, R. J. Eskow of the Campaign for America's future, had a powerful post.

A President's Choice: Resist Wall Street's 'Shock Doctrine' or Keep Listening to the Usual Suspects

Last night's real winner wasn't a party or an ideology. The real winner was Wall Street. Once again the wealthy and powerful have applied the Shock Doctrine to US politics, using a financial crisis to increase their power. The Democratic Party tried to accommodate the Wall Street crowd for two years and failed. Now Democrats must decide whether to adopt a new, bold and coherent strategy, or keep listening to the same advice that got them here.

.."They may need to decide quickly. The party's usual suspects are already out in force, making excuses for themselves and peddling the same shopworn "centrist" wares. The president used the words "responsible," "responsibly," or "responsibility" thirteen times in today's press conference. It's admirable when someone takes responsibility for their actions. That's an act that will hopefully include taking stock of what went wrong and trying something different.


Dean once referred to the false centrism that was hurting our party.

Without the involvement and commitment of people at the ground level, you don't really have a party. You have no pool from which to draw future congresspeople, senators, and presidents. And you have no genuine excitement.

..."He says "the truth is when you trade your values for the hope of winning, you end up losing and having no values--so you keep losing.

We have to reconnect to the base.

..."In recent years the Democrats, in our pursuit of big dollars, have neglected the people we're there to serve. We let our connection to our base atrophy and have forgotten, as they say in politics, who brought us to the dance. In service to a falsely named "centrism," we've sidestepped every major request from labor unions, especially on including worker protections in our free-trade agreements.

The quotes are from You Have the Power, 2004.


Eskow refers to it as a "pseudo centrism."

The Failure of Pseudo-Centrism

We're still suffering from the massive failure of a radical, free-market-run-wild ideology that devastated the economy. The public understood that, so they gave the Democrats an enormous mandate to change economic direction. Yet just twenty months later conservatives scored a huge triumph, leaving Democrats with a choice: Continue to blur the distinction between themselves and their opponents, or lay out a clear agenda for job creation and economic growth.

Of course, that's been the choice all along. But the president and many other senior Democrats chose to take the advice of the "centrist" experts within their party by adopting unpopular Republican positions and getting nothing in return. After last night's rout, what are these experts advising? You guessed it: more of the same so-called "Centrism." That's an odd word to use for policies that most Americans oppose, like cutting Social Security or allowing bankers to enrich themselves by endangering the economy, but theirs is an Alice-in-Wonderland world.


I know that seniors are scared to death of having Social Security and Medicare cut. And the problem is that we were not able to come out and say that Democrats were not going to cut them. I mean, look at the deficit commission led by Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles...handpicked by our president.

What were seniors supposed to think?

Eskow makes the point that real centrists would defend Social Security and fight back against Wall Street. He then points out that the GOP will happy if we keep pushing right wing ideas.

If Democrats want to keep passing bills that include unpopular right-wing ideas, Republicans and their Wall Street patrons will be happy to let them do it and suffer the consequences. They've done it before, most notably when they let Dems take the fall for their unconditional bailout of the big banks. We saw the results yesterday. And yet, incredibly, the usual suspects are still pushing the same failed approach.


Robert Reich in an interview with Der Spiegel the day before the election said that people say they are in the middle when pollsters ask, but that the middle is mostly fiction.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: When you served in the White House, President Bill Clinton began on the left but drifted to the middle after the Democrats lost significant ground in the mid-term elections. Do you see that happening again?

Reich: I was there with Bill Clinton when he tried to socalled "triangulate" and please the voters in the middle. But the middle is a fiction. The middle is simply where most voters who respond to surveys say they are.


Heubeck and Weyrich did not spare words when they spoke of this new type of right wing movement.

Our movement must be highly provocative. The thing we have most to fear is that we will be ignored.

Cultural conservatives must understand the predicament we are in. We must be willing to take measures that perhaps we would be unwilling to take under different, more ideal circumstances. We will have standards--we will never try to justify dishonesty, destruction of the personal reputation of our opponents, cheating, assault, etc., in the service of victory for our movement. However, we will not consider ourselves above appearing "unseemly" or surrendering some our personal dignity. We must be willing to shake people out of their complacency--which means being obnoxious if the situation requires it--because given the fact that the dominant leftist culture is safely ensconced, complacency only serves the interests of our opponents.


Heubeck went further:

We will maintain a constant barrage of criticism against the Left. We will attack the very legitimacy of the Left. We will not give them a moment's rest.

..."We will use guerrilla tactics to undermine the legitimacy of the dominant regime. We will take advantage of every available opportunity to spread the idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with the existing state of affairs. For example, we could have every member of the movement put a bumper sticker on his car that says something to the effect of "Public Education is Rotten; Homeschool Your Kids." This will change nobody's mind immediately; no one will choose to stop sending his children to public schools immediately after seeing such a bumper sticker; but it will raise awareness and consciousness that there is a problem.


Karl Rove's tactics of attack, no surrender follow those lines. They are afraid of no one, fearful of nothing.

But there is one thing they do well....they clarify where they stand and never waver. They are not going to compromise, they are not going to be bipartisan.

And we keep acting like they will.


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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:05 PM
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1. the un-rec trolls are out in force already. So freaking K&R anyhow!
THis is the truth - the right wing will NOT be bipartisan. Mitch McConnell and Issa have said as much FLAT OUT in the last two days.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:06 PM
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2. in fact - I am so annoyed by the un-rec that I'm kicking this again!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:56 PM
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4. heh heh
They annoy me also, but I have to accept that they start before people have time to even read the post. :-)
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:59 PM
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6. Rec'd to counter unrecs for an excellent OP.
I don't know how many people have to tell them, you cannot bargain with bullying idealogues. You have to face them down and never give in.

So why are they not listening? Are they slow or something? Even teenagers who supported this president, get it and they want to see him fight.

We'll see, but the way they are talking about compromising on DADT, on the Bush Tax Cuts etc. doesn't give me much hope.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:04 PM
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7. "you cannot bargain with bullying idealogues."
Amen...why do we keep trying?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:08 PM
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8. Well, I know I never have, knowing it to be very bad strategy.
Whoever is advising this president to do so, should be fired now.

I don't know what their goal is, but already we are hearing about compromises on all the important issues, DADT, Bush Tax Cuts, SS before they even begin to fight.

I want to belong to a party that stands UP to bullies. I am so tired of cringing every time the Republicans throw a temper tantrum and Democrats go 'there, there, okay, you can have a pony'! It truly is infuriating.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 07:08 PM
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3. K&R
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 08:45 PM
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5. k&r
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:23 PM
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 09:31 PM
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10. K&R. We never learn. nm
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-10 10:45 PM
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11. If Democrats want a lesson in how to act when you have a majority
watch what happens now. There will be no 'we couldn't get the votes' excuses. They will get them.

And there will be no 'we have to compromise in order to get things done' excuses either.

They won't bargain with Dems to get their votes, they will threaten to close down the government if what they want to pass, doesn't.

And all this will be done to pass legislation which will harm the country.

Democrats couldn't do it to benefit the country.

Not to mention how often Democrats will vote with them.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:23 AM
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12. It's kind of sad to watch.
There are so many important things that could have been done.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:52 PM
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18. Very sad. A once in a lifetime oppportunity blown
because of pushback from apologists and excusers and protectors of party loyalty, against those who were willing to demand and fight to use that majority.

Thanks Rahm, no wonder he skipped town before it all fell apart as predicted.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:41 PM
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20. We had a chance.
And quite frankly we blew it.

And that hurts so much.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:56 PM
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23. Yes, but they couldn't have blown it if they had received loud a
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 01:57 PM by sabrina 1
clear message from the voters when the first signs of caving to the right were noticed. But, the leadership of the party was determined to silence and smear any voices of dissent and their message discipline emissaries were all over the place, doing their work for them.

The result was predictable, even Nancy Pelosi knew it when she twice went to the WH to beg them to stop slamming Dems publicly especially since Dems had voted for some very unpopular bills to please them, and were not certain of winning the election this year.

Congressional Dems also begged the president to get out and do some campaigning for them, but Axelrod et al didn't think he needed to do that.

Makes you wonder, about a lot of things ...

One thing is certain, the Corporations always win, no matter who is in power.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 05:54 AM
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13. This is a message the president needs to get.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 11:25 AM
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17. I agree, but it does not seem to be happening.
:shrug:
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:52 AM
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14. Awesome post!
As always!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:58 AM
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15. K&R ! //nt
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 10:41 AM
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16. K&R Fake republicans vs real republicans. We need to purge the RW'ers from our party.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 12:54 PM
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19. LOL
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:44 PM
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21. He who laughs last....
and so on.

Get back to me in a couple of years and lol then. ;(
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 02:45 PM
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24. !! I meant to K&R this
I don't know why that happened! I posted "K&R" here and "LOL" on another thread, but the other thread doesn't show my response.

??

Sorry about that, hope it wasn't a senior moment on my part
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 03:05 PM
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25. Thanks for explaining.
I appreciate it. Didn't sound like you. :)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 01:48 PM
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22. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 09:50 PM
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26. It depends on where you live. Some regions can't bear a liberal candidate.
Some of those states and regions are key to winning national elections, or, like we just saw, holding or achieving a legislative majority.

What Dean talks about is wonderful theory; not anything that we've seen have success in a national election or in an election that has the balance of power between parties at stake. When was this election that Dean is convinced that uncompromising liberalism prevailed to a Democratic victory? I've never seen the public vote to advance a progressive presidential candidate beyond the primary.

Moreover, how does an uncompromising liberal stance overcome the majority conservative vote in key regions of the nation? It's fantasy to suggest that there's enough of a progressive vote EVERYWHERE, and in every instance, to prevail to a Democratic victory. Until there is, there will always be a need to allow some fealty to some conservative views within our party if we want to be a majority party or obtain and hold the presidency.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 10:19 PM
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27. What Dean talked about was not compromising so readily on
basic Democratic principles.

I no longer believe that idea that liberals can't win everywhere. I used to because my party told me. But now I think that unless an election is being bought and paid for like that of Rick Scott here...and other races here in my state that I know were paid for by limitless corporate funds....that a person who stands up strongly for what is moral and right has a chance to win everywhere.

I am very tired of the mantra that liberals can't win. I no longer believe it. Other factors enter in far too greatly.

You never get a chance to find out if they can win....because our party won't let them have a decent chance.

What you just said is what is so very wrong with our party right now. We were sold a bill of goods in the guise of bipartisanship.

It has gotten so bad that those of us here who believe in women's rights, gay rights, public education, and being honest about going to war...are ridiculed.

And that health care bill? Our health care went up 80 a month for me this month, and almost a hundred a month for hubby. Yeh, that was a great bill.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 10:32 PM
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28. Liberals can win anywhere there are good Democrats to do the
work. The failures out East this cycle did not happen in the West, and the difference is that we do not stop. Our candidates in more difficult districts have long been willing to run even if they might lose, then run again, repeat until you get the seat. It takes endurance. It takes-and here comes the word they stained with cynicism-it takes hope. The thing with feathers.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 10:47 PM
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30. I don't know where the political equations that we've just lived through have changed
Edited on Tue Nov-09-10 11:31 PM by bigtree
. . .to the degree that Progressives believe our agenda is all in with the American voters. I think we did great in many states in the last election. But we also ran into pent-up conservative voters bent on reversing the political and legislative victories our party achieved in the last two years.

I read you regularly, madfloridian, and it's not possible for me to disagree with your observations and many of your conclusions about the shortcomings and outright hostility from this administration. While I'll never suggest abandoning advocacy for those things we believe in, I'm not convinced that every solution to every challenge runs through this White House.

Take the health bill. It certainly hasn't begun to alleviate aspects of care that it intends to address; like pricing, access, availability of care, and the like. But, that doesn't mean that there was some sure opportunity for a clear resolution of those concerns with the balance of power and interests the President faced in the national legislature. There are some hits and misses in the bill, but to just dismiss it out of hand as some anathema to progressivism (as some critics have) is to suggest that there's some opportunity to craft and advance something better right now. I don't see where that opportunity is.

I don't see the necessary amount of progressive-minded voters out there to advance legislators who would support health programs like single-payer and other more progressive approaches and solutions. We've also lost support at the state level in many governorships which would manage health care in a progressive fashion.

Look, I believe in putting our best foot forward, but I concerned when I hear folks advocating for a political stance which is proven to lose votes (and I'm talking regionally and strategically here, not generally) in a presidential election. Our party has never advanced a progressive candidate past our own primary, much less hosted one into the general election.

Where is the necessary amount of voter support required to obtain and hold those states and districts we need to achieve a majority in the legislature or achieve and hold the presidency? Our initiatives only prevail IF we achieve the necessary amount of support to advance them into action or law. I don't know how you get votes in some regions, states, with an uncompromising liberal stance. Many parts of the country will bear and accept that position, but many key states and districts haven't shown themselves to be amenable to that attitude from our party. We'll need to win those if we hope to win the rest.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 11:00 PM
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31. I advocate for public schools, women's rights.
And occasionally a few other things.

There are two ways we could have won and kept control of congress.

First we could have actually spoken out loudly and told the nation just who the teabaggers were and what they were standing for. We could have spoken loudly about who was funding them...

In fact Florida's new governor funded the town hall riots, and no one bothered to tell the public that. That would have made a huge difference.

Then we could have distinguished ourselves as a completely different party than the GOP. We could have stopped caving in and pretending what they stood for was okay.

Instead our party warned its "left", its "liberals" to be careful and not upset the applecart.

And many stayed home because of it. Teachers are disheartened, gays are disgusted and hurt, and our health care bills are going through the roof. Why wasn't that taken care of during the campaigns.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 11:34 PM
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32. your passion for those issues is your strength
. . . and it's reflected in the integrity of what you report and write here.

We're like herding cats . . . really. More power to you.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-10 10:46 PM
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29. So sorry I missed this. Excellent. n/t
:kick:

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 08:16 AM
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33. I'm tired and my brain isn't functioning fluently yet.
I'd like to add something more substantive; maybe if it's still active when I get to be home and well-rested. But this post resonates. I wish it could be pinned to the top of the forum until all the post-election analysis fades.

Since it can't, I'll give it a kick.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-10 08:25 AM
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34. Kick
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