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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:13 PM
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How Gore's Politics Alenated the Democratic Base
Counterpoint to clueless and the revisionists who continue their knee-jerk assumption that Nader cost Gore the election of 2000...

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How Gore's Politics Alienated the Democratic Base

This then raises the question as to why so many people like me, who previously and subsequently voted Democratic in presidential elections, chose to vote for the Green Party in 2000.

Many people have forgotten that before Al Gore became a progressive hero as the most visible leader of the movement to curb climate change - perhaps the biggest single issue of our day and for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize-he was widely-recognized as being on the conservative wing of the Democratic Party. As one of the three finalists in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1988, Gore positioned himself clearly on the right, with Jesse Jackson on the left and Massachusetts governor Michael Dukakis - the eventual nominee - in the center.

Gore was one of the most ardent Democratic supporters of Reagan's right-wing foreign policy agenda, supporting such dangerous and destabilizing Pentagon boondoggles as the B-1 and B-2 bombers and the Trident II, cruise and Pershing missiles, all of which significantly raised the threat of nuclear war. He also supported U.S. funding and training of the Contra terrorists attacking Nicaragua and the murderous junta in El Salvador. In 1991, he was among the minority of Senate Democrats who supported the Gulf War. He was an outspoken supporter of a series of right-wing Israeli governments, opposing the Palestinians' right to statehood alongside Israel or even allowing Palestinians into the peace process.

As the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000, his hawkish world view did not seem to wane. Even with the end of the Cold War, he supported increasing the already-bloated U.S. military budget. He was apparently ready to tear up the SALT I treaty - negotiated by Nixon and Kissinger and long the foundation of nuclear arms control - in order to pursue a dubious missile defense strategy. He opposed human rights provisions for trade agreements and even for arms transfers. He opposed the treaty banning land mines. He supported laws that threatened jail and fines for Americans simply for travelling to Cuba. He defended the ongoing bombing of Iraq and the starving of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children through draconian sanctions. He strongly supported efforts by the Word Trade Organization and International Monetary Fund to weaken environmental laws, consumer protection and labor rights in the name of "free trade," and was the administration's most visible advocate of North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA.)

His positions weren't much better on domestic issues. He opposed raising the minimum wage to match the cost of living. He not only supported the death penalty, but made it far more difficult falsely convicted death row inmates to appeal their cases in federal courts. He supported the repeal of federal guarantees of assistance to poor children. He supported Federal Reserve policies of keeping wages low to prop up stock prices and taxing earnings from the stock market at lower rates then income from actual work. He supported the repeal of Depression-era banking regulations designed to protect small depositors and restrictions on derivatives that helped lead to the current financial crisis for which scores of Democrats are now being punished at the polls. He supported the Defense of Marriage Act in an effort to prevent gay and lesbian couples from having equal rights. (Earlier in his career, he referred to homosexuality as "abnormal sexual behavior" and voted against a bill that would protect patients with HIV from discrimination.) Even on environmental issues, his record was mixed, supporting efforts to undermine the endangered species act, pushing for nuclear power, and supporting an increase in clear-cut logging of old growth forests.

While most of us who supported Nader did not expect to agree with the Democratic nominee for president on every issue in order to vote for him, the fact that Gore took positions which only a few years earlier would have been considered to be in the mainstream of the Republican Party was simply too much to bear.

When he received the Democratic presidential nomination in July of 2000, there was hope that he would try to reassure the party's disillusioned base by choosing a more liberal vice-presidential running mate. Instead, he chose Connecticut senator Joe Lieberman, who had the most conservative voting record of any Democrat in the Senate. Indeed, Lieberman was to the right of the Republican incumbent he defeated when first elected in 1988, quit the Democratic Party in 2006, and endorsed Republican senator John McCain for president in 2008. There was no reason to think that Gore's appointments for cabinet posts and other key positions in his administration would be any better.

It cannot be stressed enough that had Gore instead embraced an even slightly more progressive agenda, he would not have lost so many Democratic voters to Nader. Rather than modify his positions more in line with the party's more liberal base, however, Gore initially worked to keep Nader off the ballot in a number of states to prevent voters from even having the choice. And, while Gore was willing to debate Bush, the opponent on his right, he refused to debate his opponent on his left, apparently fearing how voters might react if they were able to compare his positions with those of the well-respected consumer advocate. In the final week of the campaign, recognizing that he was losing liberal voters to his Green Party challenger, Gore did shift the tone of his campaign somewhat to the left, spouting more populist themes. In those final days, polls showed he gained three percentage points, finally pulling slightly ahead of Bush, while Nader dropped from 6% to 3%.

But it was too little too late. So many of us were so disgusted with eight years of center-right governance of the Clinton Administration and the prospects of more under Al Gore, we just could not stomach voting Democratic, even though it was apparent that the election was very close. After eight years of bitter disappointment with Clinton and Gore in power in Washington, it felt cynical and self-defeating to once again vote for a lesser evil, which seemingly would only contribute to the downward spiral which was taking the Democratic Party further and further away from its progressive heyday with the nomination of George McGovern in 1972. In many ways, then, Nader was a symptom, not a cause, of the large-scale alienation with Gore.

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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/01

The author then wanders off into his own strange assumptions...

Having had friends in Texas, I knew bush was a major right-wing/fundie abomination (unlike the author of the piece)...

As for the rightward shift of the Democratic Party -- that's been going on long before Bush v Gore -- they've long been the near-right-wing of the Corporate Pro War Party...
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:23 PM
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1. To the author: Well, you were wrong and killed America. Thanks for nothing. n/t
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:19 PM
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10. my sentiments too.
I try not to bitter, but it's hard.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:17 PM
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28. And you are a victim of simplistic thinking... (n/t)
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:25 PM
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31. wow--so NADER purged 90,000 black voters in Florida to give the election to Bush?
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:25 PM
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2. and Tipper Too!
Remember her crusades against explicit lyrics and the scene where Frank Zappa testified at a Congressional hearing on requiring ratings. This article does help level our mind set when thinking back to the good old days when the presidency was stolen.

The Democratic Party is a rather conservative place when you come right down to it. Our favorite, Bill Clinton, enacted some pretty bad stuff and his legacy was one I did not want continued under Hillary, hence my utter lack of enthusiasm for her candidacy. I do wonder how she would have fared over the past two years. I do not think the Republicans would have been much kinder to her (and probably would have been worse).

Obama never really was a progressive or liberal and he has lived up to that. He did talk a good game and I think started out on the right foot. But he did not have it in him to exert the raw power that might have put the Republicans in their place. They played a great game and followed their play book to the tee. When the dust settles we probably end up with the typical midterm results and it will be interesting to see how Obama and the Republicans handle it.

No doubt the losers will be those people who are putting their faith in the Republicans to bring real change.

How I transitioned from Gore to the midterm is beyond me except to say one thing leads to another.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:38 PM
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6. Excellent Post
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:30 PM
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3. Apologies. I was fiddling with a screwy mouse and accidentally hit unrecommend
in the process. Doesn't help, but I assure you it wasn't deliberate.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:37 PM
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5. It's ok...
I probably should have waited until Wednesday to post this anyway...

I'd rather not have the republicans in charge of either of the Houses of Congress but realistically the supine Dems of 2006 to 2010 have ONLY themselves to blame if it happens...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:10 PM
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8. i'll lend you my rec -- :)
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:22 PM
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11. Thanks :) n/t
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:30 PM
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4. K&R
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 07:44 PM
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7. That's going back a bit far there, Pal, but still....
I mean seriously, would this country be in better shape if Gore had won? I think so. Minus the eight years of the Shrubster we might have never invaded Iraq, would have been well along the road to sustainable energy, would have a reasonably balanced budget and maybe just maybe been in a more competative posture with the likes of China.

Therefore, if you voted for Nader in any state that was in any way up for grabs, you, my friend, were a royal a-hole who made a marvelous contribution to the decline of America.

I hope you're proud of your part in the achievements of George W. Bush.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:11 PM
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9. yes, we would have been better off with Gore, which is exactly why his strategy is so tragic.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:01 PM
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17. And you are an idiot...
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:24 PM
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12. In the real world, in which I live,
there is a thing called coalition breaking, and it is very real, not a "knee-jerk" reaction.

It has happened ever since people have voted.

Nader knows exactly what it is and took republican money to make it happen.

Fuck Ralphie boy. He's a piece of shit.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:01 PM
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18. And you are clueless
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 08:34 PM
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13. I'm part of the base, and I was not alienated
I despise Nader and always will.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:02 PM
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19. Hate is such a cleansing emotion isn't it. The tea-baggers think so
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:09 PM
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14. "You Can Have These Votes"
Likely for the first and only time on the national political stage, Ralph Nader, one of Life magazine's 100 Most Influential Americans of the 20th century, offered Al Gore his own vote base, if he would only address issues which that base was determined to have heard.

Albert Gore refused the easy win, after allowing the least qualified man ever to stand for president to get close in the polls (Jim Hightower said early on "it's Gore's election to lose.") In the general election, Harvard graduate Gore lost his home state. Later, he ratified the theft of Florida in the Senate, making him by far the biggest political chump in American history.

The worst part of the Nader/Gore myth is it shows American liberal cowardice in full-spectrum light. Even years later, resentful Democrats can't accept that you have to earn the votes, whether it's in that long-lost election, or tomorrow morning.

Thank you for an excellent OP. The Zunes article is a joke.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-01-10 09:22 PM
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15. Interesting choice of paragraphs to include. I prefer these paragraphs
Hardly strange assumptions, IMO.

"The Bottom Line

The reality is that, if one looks at voting as strategic choice, it almost always makes sense to vote Democratic.

...

However, the idea that one can "teach the Democrats a lesson" by voting for a progressive third party or not voting at all and thereby allowing Republicans to win just doesn't seem to work.

Also important is that fact that, though the differences between Democrats and Republicans may be relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, the power of U.S. government is so great that even small differences can make huge differences in the lives of many millions of people. Just ask the people of Iraq and other countries who have suffered so much as a result of those of us who thought we could "teach the Democrats a lesson" ten years ago. Those of us here in the United States who are relatively privileged and secure need to be sensitive about how our decisions effect those less privileged and more vulnerable, both those in this country and the billions of others around the world.

The reality is that, despite Gore's failings and the fact that it seemed to make a lot of sense at the time, the world would have been a much better place had so many people like myself not supported Nader in his 2000 campaign. As journalist Robert Parry observed, a Gore presidency "would have taken the country in a far different direction. Most significantly, he might have made significant progress in getting the United States to face up to the crisis of global warming, an existential threat to mankind that Bush studiously ignored. It may be a bitter irony that the one major political accomplishment of America's Green Party will be that it helped condemn the world to environmental disaster."

So, as reluctant as I am to say it: If you can stomach it, please vote Democratic this Tuesday."

It's a good article, people should read it through to the end.

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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:03 PM
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22. People should read it all
Just to realize how deluded it is to think that the trajectory of the Corporate States of America and the Permanent War Economy will be changed any more by the Dems than the republicans...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9437657&mesg_id=9444322
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:00 PM
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16. Some FACTS for you knee-jerk Nader haters...
1) Al Gore said that "Al Gore lost the election"
2) Voting for the lesser of two evils -- still gets you evil
3) The Democratic party has deteriorated to the point where;
a) they consider right-wing republican "policies" of the 1980s as "centrist"
b) give up the field without a fight -- "oooh, the republicans will be mad at us"
c) are owned by the SAME corporate interests that own the republicans in the Corporate States of America...

I will predict right now that you will get more of the same during the next two years whether the Dems retain control of the House and Senate or lose on or both of the houses. Between the right-wing Dems (80%+) and the right-wing pukes (110%) you're going to get more right-wing, corporate shit...

Relocalize. Forget about any Savior riding in from the White House or State House to save our asses...

www.transitionus.org


Oh, yeah, by the way, pull your heads out of your asses 'cause, "GORE WON THE FUCKING ELECTION!" Then it was stolen by Sandra Day O'Connor and THEN surrendered by Al Gore!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:03 PM
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20. Gore won.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:03 PM
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21. But that is a problem with the Nader voters, not with Gore. Any purported "progressive" whose
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 02:05 PM by BzaDem
vote enables Republicans is actually not progressive in the slightest, and certainly not part of the "base." Not voting for the lesser of two evils is enabling the greater of two evils, no matter how much pathetic denial there is about this.

In other words, it does not matter what Gore did. Even if Gore was MUCH further right, as long as he was less right than Bush, anyone who enables the greater of two evils has NO ONE but themselves to blame.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:04 PM
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23. Hope you enjoy "the lesser of the two evils"...
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:06 PM
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24. Hope you enjoy "the greater of two evils." Let me know when you come crawling back, like Nader's
supporters did in 2004.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:15 PM
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26. Wow, nasty attitude will surely bring 'em back...
Luckily, you're not representative of most of the Democrats I know...

You are just nasty... :eyes:


Don't blame me, blame yer wimpy Democrats and their "centrist" spokesmodel.

Even I had a little hope that you would be victims of unintended consequences from Obama's pretend progressiveness.

You guys had it made in the shade in Jan of '09 and pissed it away!

Now why the fuck should I expect any better by voting for more of it?

I DID NOT VOTE FOR MY BLUE-DOG piece of shit. I DID NOT VOTE FOR the republican piece of shit either. I wrote in a real Progressive Democrat who will be running in that race next time. And if the republican wins that won't change much either.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:20 PM
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29. You will come back because you won't be able to take it anymore -- not because of me.
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 02:24 PM by BzaDem
It is possible for humans to be blindingly irrational once or twice (by doing things such as enabling the greater of two evils), but we have evolved with a survival instinct that generally prevents that from happening over the long term.

Kind of like a child who trashes their room when they don't get what they want. It might sound like a good idea at the time, but eventually, they realize they not only DIDN'T get what they want, but they ALSO had a trashed room to clean up. Eventually, they stop doing things against their own interest (like enabling the greater of two evils), just like how people don't touch the oven when it's hot. You learn from experiences of the consequences of your actions.

90% of Nader voters realized this within a few years of what they did in 2000, and they came back to the Democrats in 2004 in droves. You will too. It's not a question of if -- just a question of when. You should stop deluding yourself to think that you won't be RUNNING to the polls to vote for a candidate on the ballot in the near future, just like Nader voters did in 2004 to pro-war candidate Kerry.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:10 PM
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25. Will you have one or two spoons of arsenic in your coffee?
Thanks, but I prefer neither.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:16 PM
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27. Enjoy your Democratic version of
The Permanent War Economy(tm) and Corporate Rule...

Give it up. The Feds ain't gonna save us. The State ain't gonna save us.

We gotta save ourselves...
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:21 PM
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30. Why do you think that you will end up getting what you prefer?
Most people realize that they sometimes don't get what they want at the age of about 5.

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:21 PM
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35. I got what I want. Did you?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:32 PM
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32. Gore got like 90 percent of the Black Vote, more than Clinton even
how do you get alienating the base from that.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:34 PM
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33. Gore didn't alienate the base. He alienated a few fringe lunatics who care more about enabling
Edited on Tue Nov-02-10 02:35 PM by BzaDem
Republicans than anything else (and only do the right thing after being taught hard and painful lessons).
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 02:36 PM
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34. The author didn't "wander off" at the end, it was the culmination of the title "lessons learned."


My Support for Ralph Nader, Ten Years Later: Lessons Learned

(snip)


Also important is that fact that, though the differences between Democrats and Republicans may be relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, the power of U.S. government is so great that even small differences can make huge differences in the lives of many millions of people. Just ask the people of Iraq and other countries who have suffered so much as a result of those of us who thought we could "teach the Democrats a lesson" ten years ago. Those of us here in the United States who are relatively privileged and secure need to be sensitive about how our decisions effect those less privileged and more vulnerable, both those in this country and the billions of others around the world.

The reality is that, despite Gore's failings and the fact that it seemed to make a lot of sense at the time, the world would have been a much better place had so many people like myself not supported Nader in his 2000 campaign. As journalist Robert Parry observed, a Gore presidency "would have taken the country in a far different direction. Most significantly, he might have made significant progress in getting the United States to face up to the crisis of global warming, an existential threat to mankind that Bush studiously ignored. It may be a bitter irony that the one major political accomplishment of America's Green Party will be that it helped condemn the world to environmental disaster."

So, as reluctant as I am to say it: If you can stomach it, please vote Democratic this Tuesday.

Then, even more importantly, fight like hell to make sure they stop selling out to the militarists and the corporations. With only a few conscientious exceptions, Democratic officials have rarely led when it comes to progressive positions; they have generally had to be dragged kicking and screaming by their constituents. We were able to force many Democratic elected officials to move to the left on civil rights, Vietnam, Central America, nuclear power, women's rights, South Africa, East Timor, globalization, Iraq, gay rights, and other issues.

And here is the difference: Democrats, if pressed sufficiently, can change.

Republicans, by contrast, are hopeless.



I disagree with many of the author's assumptions re:Gore, relative differences between the candidates and the definition of evil, but at least I would be honest to the central theme of his column, supporting Nader against Gore was a mistake, it's too bad you couldn't bring your self to do likewise.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:26 PM
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36. Fuck Nader
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 03:28 PM
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37. I think he blew it going after Loretta Sanchez w/Playboy Mansion fundraiser...
... I believe which was an effort to say that he "wasn't Clinton". He drew a lot of attention by chastising her for this and asking that it be canceled, and I think alienated many potential voters in the process. He should have just ignored it and avoided commenting on it one way or the other.

I think it also made him appear weak that he'd have to resort to this, as if to say that there was a need for him to distance himself from the habits of Bill Clinton, where he should have just emphasized more his own identity and why he would have been a good president instead.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-02-10 04:48 PM
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38. Nader did not TAKE those votes.
The Centrist Democratic Party Leadership threw them away....
a lot like they are doing now.
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