WOW! Tweety just backed me up...Guiliana was FULL OF SHIT on Letterman

[Atman]

Did I just see that for real? OMG..."Who writes this stuff for Guiliani?" He said Letterman's audience was "wrong for clapping and Rudy was wrong for saying it." IT being that Bush invaded Iraq as a follow-through to Clinton's policy of regime change.

Pigs are flying. Pigs are flying.

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[Patsy Stone]

1. Yes

And then the female guest says to him, "So Chris, now you're fact-based?" LOL!

[wicket]

2. Hahahahahahahaha!!!!

Awesome!

:rofl:

[spanone]

4. I think she pissed Tweety off.

[Atman]

8. She tried to bait him early in the segment by spewing a talking point.

Tweety slapped her down HARD. I mean HARD. I can't even remember the line...but it was a serious smack-down. She had to eat her words and never fully recovered her stride.

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[eleny]

11. He thanked her for "that vetting". Sarcastically said he needed it.

[AlCzervik]

5. Heard that "you must be readin Al Gore's new book" Tweets took some

umbridge to being called out like that, i enjoyed that very much. "How dare you!" I hope she wasn't trying to insult Al with her comment.

[Patsy Stone]

9. He made some harumph-y noises

but she made her point. :)

:hi:

[AlCzervik]

10. yeah, it was kind of a beautiful moment. You could tell he was just stumperfied

like "Wait...what?" that was about the best thing i've seen on his show ever, watching him get pwned.

:toast:

Chin up Tweets, we've all known for a long time, sometime epiphanies just happen on live tv like that.

[Pirate Smile]

7. And then she said "You've been reading Al Gore's book" (paraphrasing).

:D

[chimpymustgo]

24. I thought she used the line, not just to needle Chris, but to provoke a Pavlovian reaction.

She seemed to think that by bringing up Al Gore's name, she could pull Chris back over to the dark side.

[eleny]

3. The neocons are not good on facts

Like Kornbluth just noted - Tweety is all of a sudden fact based so must have been reading Gore's new book. That made him go off on her. Sort of like he bit the head off one of yesterday's guests who is also a woman. Frankly, I think his meds need adjusting.

[Gabi Hayes]

13. he also asked her whether the WashPost would be covering St. Rudy's gross

mischaracterization of the INC-inspired (Tweety brought up the Iraqi National Congress, but DIDN'T mention PNAC, or any of the signatories to the Clinton letter that led to the congressional resolution Giuliani so disingenuously employed)

he did say that the neocons aren't good at ''research'', but it would be nice to have him do a segment on the pernicious influence of the PNAC wing of the Bush junta

[eleny]

14. He'll never jeopardize his invites to Bohemian Grove

[Morgana LaFey]

36. Not quite. To neocons, the facts are what they say they are.

They believe, as proper Straussians, that they have an obligation to lie to the public if it will keep them docile and allow THEM to continue on their wicked ways.

Substantive difference.

[Atman]

6. BWHAHA! He close by saying "Rudy needs to stop listending to John Bolton"

"Believe me, I know...these neocons aren't exactly known for their research."

:rofl:

[eleny]

12. Yeah, took the heat off himself a little with that last observation

Nice to see him catch up to the rest of civilization. Go Tweets! :applause:
:sarcasm:

[Disturbed]

15. Romney/Jeb will be the Rethug candidates.

The BFEE has already scheduled this combo.

[Pirate Smile]

30. I think you are right. That is why all of Jeb's people lined up with Mitt.

[Ilsa]

31. I guess Romney doesn't know that the BFEE is going to take him

out so JEB can be prez. How naive.

[BigRed1975]

16. So now you're saying that the Iraqi liberation act

did not establish Iraqi regime change as official US policy? Because if you are saying this, then it would be you that would be incorrect. It didn't promote invasion, but it did open the barn door. The hair splitting is something that is often not appreciated in public debate. In fact, as a politician, Clinton had to see the potential for abuse given the agenda of PNAC. The question remains, why was it necessary to formalize this policy? This is another way that Clinton let us down and that his seemingly inconsequential scandal diverted the attention from matters such as this and severely compromised his ability to deal with the Republican Congress.

Big Red

[trumad]

18. Well--- did Clinton invade or didn't he?

[BigRed1975]

23. Obviously he did not....

but clearly he's intelligent enough to know the consequences of his agreeing to put something like this on public record given the zealots like the neocons lurking in the defense establishment. None other than Don Rumsfeld was their representative who met with Clinton. That little crack in the door has been exploited by the neocons and at first look the official policy of the Clinton Administration was to support regime change in Iraq. From there one can readily go to given a 9/11 environment, just how would one interpret such a doctrine. I still haven't heard Bill oppose the invasion and obviously he didn't provide Hillary with any contrarian input as she did table dances to promote the IWR.

Big Red

[trumad]

26. Pomoting regime change and promoting invasion are two completely different things

and you know that.

[eleny]

19. "It didn't promote invasion" - that's the issue here

RG asserted incorrectly that Clinton established that as U.S. policy. RG was wrong about that.

If you must cling to Clinton's pubic hairs to make a point, please do it somewhere else.

[BigRed1975]

25. I understand exactly what it did not literally do....

but the fact is that it opened the door and has Clinton on official record for regime change. The limits as to what a President was prepared to do are clearly a function of the threat environment. What Guilliani said, and all I am interested in doing here is being fact based, is that given 911, Clinton might have made the decision to invade. And to be perfectly honest, I can see where one might make that conclusion, especially since I haven't heard anything from the Clintons to discredit that position. I have clearly heard something from Gore, but he wasn't President. And I'd have to believe that Hillary's vote reflected the best advice she could get from Bill. It would not be credible for her to say he was not consulted. It would make as much sense as Bush not consulting his father about Iraq.

Big Red

[trumad]

27. Clinton might have made the decision to invade?

And how would he have done that? Would he have set up a Cheney like shop to fool America?

[DURHAM D]

28. Seems you are forgetting something regarding "invading" Iraq...

Iraq didn't do the 9/11 thing. Clinton knows his geography a little better than some.

[eleny]

29. What opened the door for Bush to invade Iraq was The Big Lie

Matthews said that neocons aren't good with research. I'll add that they're equally weak at conclusions. You're way off base.

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[eleny]

42. I did answer you by pointing out the issue of The Big Lie

That's the answer. All your arguments about what Clinton may have done if this or that are straw men that only live in your mind as well as Rudy's.

Reading your thoughts in this thread and others prompts me to wish you an enjoyable short visit here.

It's time for me to prepare supper and have dinner with my husband.

Please take the last word if you wish. I'm done with you.

[AlCzervik]

17. Dear that GOP woman just said she didn't think she could vote for Rudy because

of his Authoritarian streak! Hate to say i agree with her but i do indeed and thats the least of whats wrong with him.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

20. This is one thing that bugs me about Rudy

is that he has so many friends in the NYC entertainment industry (Dave, SNL, etc) that they'll go completely easy on him and never joke at his expense
meanwhile, they try to tell us that it's edwards who is vain and not rudy and his gargantuan ego

[Gabi Hayes]

21. you didn't see the Smigel cartoon Saturday night last, did you?

not so swell a portrayal of Rudy, including his getting his NECK broken by McCain!

[Gabi Hayes]

22. other than that, though, I have to say I agree. he's getting the kid glove

treatment by most media up to this point.

I was very surprised by Tweety's reaction to the Letterman clip, as he's been WAY up Rudy's butt in the very recent past:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNrJ731EZNI&mode=related&search=

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

33. but remember the inspid musical bit Fey and Fallon did for Rudy

when his term was up. They had him om to serenade him and tell him what a great mayor he was

and as much as i love dave, he's too friendly with rudy to be fair

[Gabi Hayes]

34. agreed, but that snip was in 2001, right? if you see that SNL clip, it's obvious

that Smigel has no love lost for Rudy (or for any of the other candidates he reamed, from Hillary to Mitt, to McCain, to Obama, to Dennis.)

I hope it's up somewhere, as well as the opening sketch, in which whoever plays Bush basically admitted that EVERYTHING he's done of import since he stole the election is totally fucked.

and you're right about Letterman, sadly, but perhaps he'll start wising up, and start treating him the way he deserves, much as he's sharpened the skewere for Bush after the 911 glow finally wore off. here's hoping the bright light of the presidential race makes it impossible for Dave to ignore just what a megamaniacal jackass is America's Mayor

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

37. you're right, smigel's pretty cool

i think he works more on his own and just mails the cartoons in when they're finished. nbc once banned one from rebroadcast because it was too critcal of corporate media.

now the rest of the show is pretty bad and has been tilting right. especially seth myers on WU, who has said some pretty bigoted stuff about muslims

[Gabi Hayes]

39. again, agreed, with the addendum that who in the world thought Myers was EVER funny?

that Kerry of his was embarrassing, for starters

that said, I actually watched most of the show for the first time in eons, and it was actually very funny, mostly. Bill Haider (sp?) is a near genius. he did his Mastroianniesque bit again, and Minnie Ripperton's daughter was dead on a couple times (once as Mrs. Bobby Brown). The other two women were better, as always, than the men, with the new one (Wiig?) reminding me of a funny Lucille Ball.

there were a couple other sketches that worked well, too, including one centered around The Band's "The Weight," all of which make me want to see the rerun when I'm not in an altered state

the opening Bush sketch was spot on, though, with Darrel Hammond looking almost exactly what you'd imagine a bulimic Dick Cheney to look like. He has the facial expression down better, even, than Cheney himself

[AX10]

32. This is signifigant! Matthews calls out Rudy for lying...

and making Clinton look bad. Matthews is not happy about this war!

[TwilightGardener]

35. He's looking for his next man-crush. Right now it's Fred Thompson,

but I predict that won't last long, once Thompson's neocon war cheerleading is well-known. By autumn, it'll be Bloomberg (another NYC mayor who can GET THINGS DONE!!!) or Hagel (Tweety's ultimate--Gary Cooper-type combat vet who's ANTI-IRAQ WAR!).