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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:19 PM Original message |
American political discourse, when did it all go wrong? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. You can go all the way back to Alexander Hamilton |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Separation of state and agriculture? Didn't the advent of agriculture lead to the advent of classes? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. The Separation between State and Agriculture is seen as the first step toward modern civilization |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Huh? Hamilton is closer to us liberals today than Jefferson |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Hamilton proposed curtailing our civil liberties right out of the box |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Well, "More progressive" doesn't have any relevance to that period |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. fair enough... yeah, it was primarily the Alien and Sedition Act |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 07:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I guess the Teahadists quote Jefferson too much for my comfort |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. American political discourse, when did it all go wrong? |
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littlewolf (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. oh I don't know .... |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Patience, patience... |
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Blue Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
3. I blame the M$M and more specifically FOX "news" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. 1791 |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Interesting. That's two votes for Hamilton thus far. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. All of the above |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. When The Wingnuts Bought Up the Media |
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ProfessionalLeftist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. I'd have to agree this is the largest part of it. n/t |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
7. Two phases |
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TuxedoKat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Yes... |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
51. Make that three |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. I think Obama kind of nailed this recently |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. Reagan was a definite turning point. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. Ummmm...... |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
42. YEP |
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Yeshuah Ben Joseph (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
12. About the time corporatism took control of both parties |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
13. About the time the news outlets became profit centers for corporations |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Do you include any "Broadcasting Corporation" in that? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. The Big Three used to operate their news divisions as a public service |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. A current of violence, both implicit and explicit, has been part of the tea party... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
19. Poisoning the Press: |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. That's the time frame I was thinking as well... |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. I'd say the day Rush Limbaugh first appeared on the air |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. What I was going to say |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. You give idiots a voice, we get 8 years of fundamentalist Xtian Republican rule. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
21. Several things. We have never been as civil in our discussions of politics as we like to "remember". |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
23. Instead of marginalizing and mocking the true nutbars and extremists |
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B2G (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
25. This thread is currently right above |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Wish I had gotten a screenshot of that! |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
28. 2832 BC |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Link? |
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verges (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. You asked yourself for a link? nt |
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verges (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Looking at the sail |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. It's not an historic representation. |
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verges (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. It's sailing against the wind nt |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
31. It's nothing new. |
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affrayer (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
33. Rush Limbaugh Ushered In An Era Of Stupidity |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Excellent points. And, Welcome to DU!! |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. true dat, and welcome to DU! |
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cilla4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
37. It's like the school bully... |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
41. Probably at many different times in |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
47. Modern era: Reagan. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 07:42 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. +1,000 |
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letterwriter (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I agree |
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sixmile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
53. On 9-11-01 |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
54. When the Right became convinced they own all possible Universes, plus the Platonic World of Ideas. |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
55. When we instituted political parties. |
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