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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:06 PM
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Goodling REFUSES To Turn Over Subpoenaed Docs To House
Ex-Justice aide won't turn over docs subpoenaed by House
Goodling fails to turn over documents subpoenaed by House committee Michael Roston
Published: Tuesday May 22, 2007

Former top Justice Department aide Monica Goodling was chided by the House Judiciary Committee for failing to turn over documents that had been subpoenaed as part of the investigation into the firing of 8 US Attorneys. Goodling is set to testify before the Committee on Wednesday.

"I am concerned, however, about your statement that Ms. Goodling is going to refuse to produce documents in her possession that are responsive to the subpoena," Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), the committee's chairman, wrote to Goodling's attorney John Dowd.

In responding to an argument made by Dowd on why Goodling did not need to turn the documents over, he added, "We are aware of no authority that permits internal Department administrative regulation to allow a former employee of the Department of Justice, or any other person, to avoid the subpoena power of the House of Representatives, as that power is central to the House's ability to carry out its Constitutional oversight mandate and certainly trumps internal agency regulations."


more at:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Goodling_fails_to_turn_over_documents_0522.html
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:08 PM
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1. Toss her in the slammer
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:24 PM
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36. Slammer, seconded. Enough kid gloves with these Bushco criminals!
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:57 PM
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43. And her lawyer with her. n/t
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:08 PM
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68. AND the elephant they rode in on...nt
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 02:38 PM
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45. If you or I did this, we'd be escorted directly to jail.
But then, you and I aren't members of the B*sh Cabal™.
Seems the rules and laws of our nation don't exactly
apply to them like they do do us.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:28 PM
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73. I had to give my personal info to cops to get released from my parking lot at work last night..
Still don't know what it was about. Some were saying bomb threat, but there is NOTHING about it in the news.

I was one of a few people even disagreeing with it. Most of the people were so cowed by the squad cars and state patrol cars blocking our driveway.

I'm on the phone with a customer and one of my co-workers comes up, we gotta leave the building NOW, HANG UP. Being a true DEM I thought he was just joking kept right on working. No fire alarm going off, no management saying anything.

Then manager comes over and says the same thing. So I explain we are being evacuated from the building and hang up.

They take us out to the parking lot of a building East of ours and say there is a problem in a building SouthWest of ours, but NO explanation. One woman says her son heard it was a bomb threat.

They made us LINE up and give over our information. Checked our driver's licenses.

I'm beginning to think it was an INS raid, because those have been going on all over and they sweep up legal immigrants too. I work for a place that deals with a lot of international business so we have a high portion of Spanish speaking workers.

Police USED to let you know what was going on if you asked. Now it's like everyone is shut up or you might stick out and then they'll think you did it. DID WHAT?! If you didn't DO anything wrong, then don't be afraid.

FINALLY after an hour and a half a plan was made to get some of us to another building and have calls routed over there. It was EXACTLY my quitting time, but I said I would go if I could take my car. The way my luck has been going it would either be a bomb threat and my car would be blown up or they would plant something in my car after finding out where I think GW should put his "terra" alerts.

My boss said I would have to ask the cop myself, so I went up to sheriff, a woman and said, "Look, we just hung up on our customers so some of us are going to another service center so can you search my car if you need to so I can take it and go?"

"Oh that won't be necessary, we just don't want anyone moving closer to the danger zone. You can take your car just follow this path out."

From 6pm to about 10pm a building was in "danger" some how and multiple nearby buildings evacuated with people standing around in parking lots like a bunch of sheeple waiting for further instructions. NOT ME.





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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 10:58 PM
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86. That's wild.
I don't blame you for questioning this and for speaking out. Imagine if some in the Twin Towers knew that they couldn't trust those in charge how many would have left the building all together.

It makes no sense to me that they kept folks hanging around the parking lot if there was some danger. Common sense says to clear the area all together, it makes averting danger so much easier.

If you find out more about what this was about, let us know. And thank goodness you are one of the sheeple.

:thumbsup:

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:47 PM
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107. The way things are today, that might have just been a "practice" operation.
One they didn't bother to tell anyone was just a drill.

They've done that sort of crap before, you know.
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nonoxy9 Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #45
84. But the committee "chided" her!
Isn't that a harsh enough treatment for possible TREASON?!:banghead:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #45
105. No. If they
said that you or I did this... Remember Susan MacDougall?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. I stand corrected!
Yup, Susan got treated a bit...."differently", didn't she?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:57 PM
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78. Have her disbarred from any courts she has been admitted to practice
AND ask her the name of her boyfriend. Then ask her if she is still a virgin.

Let's see if she will admit to not being a virgin. Or will she be too embarrassed to admit it knowing that all of her fellow classmates from Regent University will know?

Then subpoena her boyfriend.
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brg5001 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 08:44 AM
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103. But she got straight A's at Pat Robertson Bible College (Regent "University")
Edited on Wed May-23-07 08:45 AM by brg5001
(edited for clarity)

Suddenly, our government's top ranks are full of young, arrogant graduates of Pat Robertson Bible College. Apparently she's doing the "Lord's" work and can't be concerned with the principles of our godless Republic! (I'd like to see Conyers ask her if she's proud of the fact that her "University's" president tried to pray a hurricane into New York.)

Anyone who would even CONSIDER accepting a degree from Pat Robertson Bible College is totally unqualified for any role in our government.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:08 PM
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2. F**K this is hilarious. I was taken to the woodshed here the other day
when I asked if people really thought she'd tell the truth.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:37 PM
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26. LOL! Most of us get taken to the woodshed when we see (know)
what this bunch will do before they do it....at least once. But we always manage to get the last laugh, even when it's not funny.

The "truth" isn't in most of the repukes. Comey? He's what, one out of 1,000 or so? The vast majority of the "bushies" are sociopaths, narcissists, and pathological liars. What's to stop them from committing just one more felony? It's all in a day's work for them. They think committing "crimes in the name of Jesus" is their job.

:kick:

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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:23 PM
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56. hear hear!
They think committing "crimes in the name of Jesus" is their job.

Good one, loudsue.


They ignore subpoenas all the time. Are the dems going to do anything about this? I'm not holding my breath.

And this comes AFTER they've given this Pat Robertson University student immunity!!

Damn! and other expletives ^&*()*%^!


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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:45 PM
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40. I think I was probably one of your persecutors.
I don't know what other people were thinking, but I was just pointing out that if she has any brains at all she'll come clean. But I failed to consider that if she had any brains at all she wouldn't have gone to Regent Law School. So I guess she'll pay the price for obstruction. Maybe she's waiting for Jesus to come down on a pink cloud & blast the Judiciary Committee with lightning bolts for having dared to thwart her while she was doing the Lord's Work.

I wonder if her lawyer graduated from Regent too. I can't imagine any competent counsel letting her do this.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 02:10 PM
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44. I wanted to believe you ...
... because of your self assuredness r/t this matter:(

This is just incredible
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. Yes sir, I do believe you were.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #40
71. Hey, JR...you have a good point
It bears repeating...She is not a logical person and she believes that she serves a higher power. This means that she will resist all she can and even go to jail for resisting all the while believing that she is a warrior for God. She is probably as crazy as the jihadists who can justify all kinds of heinous acts.

We are NOT dealing with normal people here.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:37 PM
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77. Bingo n/t
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #40
89. Keith Olberman (I think it was) announced that her lawyer graduated Yale or Harvard.
Edited on Wed May-23-07 01:29 AM by loudsue
At any rate, she somehow knows that her degree is worthless when it comes to competence.

:kick::kick:

On edit:

It might have been Jon Stewart that said Goodling's lawyer was from one of those two top institutions. Whoever it was, they were making fun of Regent U., and then mentioned that she didn't hire a lawyer from there...she got one from whereever it was (Yale or Harvard).

:kick:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:08 PM
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3. another criminal is doing this regime dirty work.
what criminals how clearer can it be?
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:10 PM
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4. Didn't Goodling receive immunity in exchange for her testimony?
I'm confused. Didn't Goodling receive immunity in exchange for her testimony? If so, doesn't this jeopardize the deal?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:19 PM
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15. I think they can revoke it if she doesn't act in good faith.
Don't know for sure, but that's the way it should go.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:49 PM
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41. there goes her immunity
whoosh out the door
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #15
94. It goes hand and hand, she gives account of what happened and.........
she get the reprieve for being criminal libel for what ever took place. If she don't talk she can get no immunity for it. On a side note though, it does look like she is helping to load the docket for conspiracy under RICO though. They don't even have to convict for the crime on RICO, just the proof of the conspiracy and finding just two felonies that were committed among the entire bunch of crooks of criminal conspiracy.

Check it out here

The late Supreme Court Justice Byron White explained the purpose of this law ... When Congress passed RICO in 1970
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:68JbMkTPvLwJ:roxbury.net/booksites/cl/clchap5.html+RICO+law+explained&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&client=firefox-a

The only trick is being able to wait long enough for a democratic prosecutor and administration to be seated before it be able to take place. Personally i don't see why people can't wait till then. We all waited these 6 1/2 years already, a little while longer should be no big deal :shrug:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #4
16. Let's get the testimony first, then annul the deal if she proves 1% uncooperative.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:10 PM
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5. send in federal marshals NOW.
Seize the evidence. Sweep it all up. Now.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:09 PM
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69. YES!
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:12 PM
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6. Isn't she speakiing tomorrow in front of Congress?
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. Yep.
House Judiciary

Wednesday 05/23/2007 - 10:15 AM
2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Full Committee
Hearing on: The Continuing Investigation into the U.S. Attorneys Controversy and Related Matters
By Direction of the Chairman, John Conyers
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Thanks for the heads up.
This should get interesting tomorrow.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #18
37. Probably on C-Span 3? (The one nobody can watch because their cable co doesn't carry it?)
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #37
74. Yeah, isn't that fucking lovely?
nt
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. But we CAN stream it!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #18
62. (CSpan 3). . . .n/t
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #6
59. Well we shall see if she talks to morrow or if she does the Fredo Fandango
It goes like this:

I recall that meeting happening but I don't recall if I was there and if I was there I am not sure exactly what I heard when I was there.....and your question again is??????
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. Why Harrumph and Harumph again and welll HARRRRRRRUMPH...There that will show her whose boss
This really is a comic tragedy. Conyers and the rest should know by now that they are never going to get a straight answer out of the guys. Have the Capital police ready to hall her ass off to Jail first thing tomorrow morning PERIOD!
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sheerjoy Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:13 PM
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7. This stuff just gets more and more bizarre
if it were you or me.... we'd be under the slammer.

Unbelievable.
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
64. It is all about stalling and stalling and stalling.
They are going to make Conyers and Waxman have to drag everyone of these suppoenas out throught the courts and the next thing you know there will not be enought time to get any of them on any of this unless we resove to pursue them after the election.THere plan is to just keep Jawboning everything so that the clock gets eaten up. Every snipit of information is going to have to be dragged out kciking and screaming.
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sheerjoy Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #64
100. The way things are going
* will be out of office and grinning in victory before he has to account for anything....
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:13 PM
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8. I once got a ticket just for jaywalking -- she gets "chided" for defying a subpoena. WTF. n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:14 PM
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9. Isn't Goodling on a permanent leave of absence? What's she doing
with docs anyway? :wtf:
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:15 PM
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10. she WANTS to be a martyr! n/t
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #10
76. imo, to be a martyr
Edited on Tue May-22-07 09:36 PM by themartyred
you have to be doing something honorable, too bad she fails in that pursuit...

the democratic congress hasn't been in charge in so long they forget they have some power, they better use it or they'll lose it!

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:15 PM
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11. Jail time
Now. And she stays there until she obeys.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #11
82. Just like what Ken Starr did to Susan McDougle.
According to her book, she went to jail until she agreed to tell Starr something bad about Clinton. They finally had to let her out but she was under house arrest. I don't think she was released until the White Water investigation was over.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:16 PM
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12. Cuff. Her. Now.
:nuke:
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:17 PM
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13. Chided? Chided? She should go to jail now, do not pass GO, do not
collect $200. Now, Congress, Now. The deals are off. She testifies, then she goes to jail. End of story. It's her or the Constitution. I prefer the Constitution myself.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:19 PM
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14. She'll be appearing this Thursday, so maybe the committee can send
....the FBI to confiscate her files and computer hard drive and emails. Fuck this Dowd prick! He's just an attorney, not God.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:35 PM
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38. She appears tomorrow. n/t
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:20 PM
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17. Executive privilege must be claimed by the President. So if he hasn't...
She has no grounds for refusal at all, IMHO.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:23 PM
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19. Must be some good stuff in there
Her testimony should prove interesting.
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:24 PM
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20. Is there a web page somewhere tracking these flauntings of the law?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:26 PM
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22. Screw "chided," haul her butt to jail!
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:27 PM
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23. Hopefully this isn't a tactic
If there is material in those docs that the Committee otherwise does not know about, and if Goodling brings forth that info during the Hearing, then the info is covered by the immunity grant, right? What other motive for not providing info prior to testimony?

Wasn't this what Ollie North did?
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:31 PM
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24. Simple solution: No docs, no deal.
Wasn't her immunity based on her cooperation? If she's now refusing to cooperate, the deal should be rescinded, imo. She should be charged with obstruction of justice and contempt of Congress, too. (Note: I'm not a lawyer, I just play one on the internets.)
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:40 PM
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28. Her immunity's based on her testimony. This is a separate matter.
But like so what. Doesn't give her any more grounds to display contempt of congress.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:59 PM
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65. Even this would be wrong
because it implies that when you're subpoenaed, you can still bargain for a deal. Who knew subpoenas were negotiable!
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:36 PM
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25. Maybe tomorrow our reps can issue some hollow threats.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:39 PM
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27. Are the Dems ever going to show they mean business??!
I doubt it! Chided Goodling, my ass. Who the hell does she think she is? Gonzalez is still around, Bush is still calling the shots as long as the Congress kisses his feet and gives in on Iraq, etc. What were people voting for last Nov? Not this.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:40 PM
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29. Since there are no consequences forthcoming so far,
they are encouraged to continue to break the law. A newly formed dictatorship must firmly break the law in order to be above it and become the law. Just wait until 08:sarcasm: We don't have time to try and impeach anyone, it's unproductive and we should move on to productive things like caving in on war appropriations:sarcasm: America is looking for a new kind of politics like bi-partisanship:sarcasm: Some of our party members up for re-election might lose their seat if they hold the administration accountable:sarcasm:
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:45 PM
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30. Well, she's from Robertson's Regent University
and based on what I saw on Bill Moyers - their is "truth" and then there is "Biblical truth". But one would think that just the plain "truth" is the plain "truth". Her testimony is going to be interesting. Is she gonna "lie" under oath being a supposed "christian" and all?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Well there are lies
and then are "forgivable" lies.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:49 PM
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42. Yep- I see no reason whatsoever why they should comply
The Dem "leadership" has shown repeatedly that they lack the political fortitude to back up their threats. Basically, all they've done for 7+ years is whine.

Unless and until they act assertively, they'll be treated with derision- which, one might argue, they've earned.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:49 PM
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32. I feel a strongly worded letter coming on! nt
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:57 PM
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33. Surely she doesn't think she's being a good Christian witness
....by snubbing Congress.

Render to Caesar's what's Caesar's, Monica. It isn't just for tax collectors anymore....and this is hardly a good excuse for "civil disobedience."

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and THE AUTHORITIES THAT EXIST ARE APPOINTED BY GOD. Therefore WHOEVER RESISTS THE AUTHORITY RESISTS THE ORDINANCE OF GOD, and THOSE WHO RESIST WILL BRING JUDGMENT ON THEMSELVES. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. THEREFORE YOU MUST BE SUBJECT, not only because of wrath but also for conscience's sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor." (Romans 13: 1-7).

"For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of men." 2 Cor 8 :21

I swear, these people have NEVER read the Bible.....

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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:13 PM
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34. CHIDED?!
This gets more disgusting every day. Throw her ass in jail!
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #34
87. EXACTLY! My identical comment, and I scanned the posts
until I met the first one with this response. The GALL of these people.

CHIDED? Jail Time.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:24 PM
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35. Excuse me? "Chided"?
In what universe would you or I be "chided" for refusing a subpoena? Lock the twit up. She was only granted immunity for her testimony. She wasn't offered blanket permission to defy the law.

I'll really like to picture her in bright orange...
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mulsh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:38 PM
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39. Why does she have these documents in her
possession in the first place? Isn't it a standard practice to return important documents to the agency one was working for? Wingers are still trying to prosecute Sandy Berger for "stealing" his own notes.

On the other hand it might be hard for her to claim executive privilege and fight a subpoena for these docs since she no longer works at Justice and appears to have kept a memento or two.

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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:01 PM
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66. Oh she returned the documents.
They just aren't done misplacing them yet.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 02:59 PM
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47. Maybe if we ask in a nicer way. "Pretty please with sugar on top..."
gimme a break!
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 03:03 PM
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48. this should void her immunity
right? get her; get them all.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 03:06 PM
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49. Dupe...but that's OK needs all the reading it can get.
Edited on Tue May-22-07 03:20 PM by snappyturtle
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x940060


edit: The title of the article said Goodling Fails.......Conyers is the one who uses the word refuses:

"I am concerned, however, about your statement that Ms. Goodling is going to refuse to produce documents in her possession that are responsive to the subpoena," Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), the committee's chairman, wrote to Goodling's attorney John Dowd."

I wonder if her failure to turn over documents pre-hearing will turn into submission in the hearing?
It could be Dowd doesn't want the info out for a feeding frenzy before the hearing!!?? imho


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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:09 PM
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50. Enough of this bullshit.
No one is above the law. Period.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:58 PM
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51. Unbelievable!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:06 PM
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52. I thought she'd struck an immunity deal.
Doesn't that mean you're obligated to cooperate? Find her in contempt and throw her in jail.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:14 PM
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53. I will wait until after her testimony until I judge the "chiding" she received, but...
I expect the Democrats to rake her over the coals over this, and if does not turn over the documents I expect them to drag her out of the hearing room in handcuffs. A private chiding is enough for now, if and only if, she is taken to task tommorrow when the cameras are rolling. They need to make it clear, if she does not produce these documents they will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law and she will go to prison. Honestly if she wants to play this game, then I expect her interviewers to ask her under oath what is in those documents. Then they need to seize the documents from her, and if they do not say exactly what she says they say her immunity deal is done and we have an extra perjury charge we can get her on.

Those of you on here who are saying this chiding is not enough, I ask you to wait until after her testimony before you make final judgements. There could potentially be a very good reason they are going easy on her now, but there should be no good reason for them to go easy on her during her testimony.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:21 PM
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54. yeah, get the corpus where you habeas it before you get tough
:)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:01 PM
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55. Pop a Susan McDougal in her ass
These guys are much too squeamish.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:27 PM
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57. Conyers responds to an ignored subpoena with chiding...
Isn't that special!
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:57 PM
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58. Just pretend she is Susan McDougal
Fit her up for that jump suit shackle her up at the waist and put her in with "Big Mama"......Her pretty blonde hair will be gray in no time and she will be chattering faster and louder then a Mocking bird at 5:00AM.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:01 PM
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60. Who are these people?
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:11 PM
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70. The men & women who hold Uncle Sam by the balls, my friend.
AND she is refusing to let go even though she's been sold down the river and on her way to trial.

Just like Gonzales. Trying to forestall the inevitable impeachment.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 07:02 PM
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61. Technically, if she no longer works there, she could say she no longer
has access to any documents. If she did not take stuff with her, when she left, they surely would not let her in so she could collect documents.

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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:07 PM
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67. WHOSE HOUSE? OUR HOUSE!!
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF WHAT IS BEING DONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE UNDER THE ROOF WHERE THE COMMANDER & THIEF IS STABBING US IN THE BACK DAY AFTER DAY.

YOU PROTESTED THAT YOU COULDN'T TESTIFY BECAUSE IF YOU TOLD THE TRUTH IT WOULD INCRIMINATE YOU. WE ALL KNOW IT, STUPID WOMAN. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE AND ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP. DON'T FALL ON YOUR SWORD FOR THOSE SICK BASTARDS. TELL THE TRUTH AND SET THIS COUNTRY FREE FROM THE OPPRESSION THAT BINDS US.


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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 08:15 PM
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72. Lock her up... n/t
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 09:59 PM
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79. What is the FBI is ordered to go to Monica Goodlings home and take the computer, documents
...emails and everything else and if she resists arrest her as well?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 10:00 PM
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80. the "Democrats" will be troubled
then they'll say okay and forget about it

then she won't remember anything and if she accidentally lets slip proof that horrific abuses and crimes were committed, they'll find a way to sweep it under the rug, be "troubled" again briefly, then call the whole thing finished.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 10:02 PM
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81. The Justice Department has no credibility
America's Justice system is compromised just like the CIA was we have thieves spies and mafia infiltrating our police force

we need Eliot Ness
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 10:48 PM
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83. you only refuse to wimps with no power...
if the house doesn't wield its power and threaten to throw her ass in jail ASAP for even contemplating such a refusal, they will only further affirm that democratic control of the house is meaningless and powerless. seriously, what's the point of all this congressional power if you don't use it?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 10:53 PM
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85. She can say bye-bye to her immunity then. (nt)
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:50 PM
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88. I told you guys LONG AGO that Dowd, the money-laundering expert, would do this
Edited on Wed May-23-07 12:01 AM by EVDebs
Law firm bio

http://www.akingump.com/attorney.cfm?attorney_id=58

"Written Works
"U.S. Laundering, Forfeiture Laws Now Reach All Points on Globe," September 2002

"When Agents Serve Search Warrant, Businesses Must Know Rules of Game (Part 2 of 2),," Money Laundering Alert, June 2001

"When Laundering Charges Surface, Battles Commence on Many Fronts (Part 1 of 2)," Money Laundering Alert, May 2001 "

When the Cunningham case was obstructed by the firing of Carol Lam, remember this about that (as Nixon would have said)

"It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634250/

The Octopus, that Danny Casolaro and Gary Webb investigated, is the end result of where all of this is going. Secret government.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x939294

Ask where the money originates. Please ? Also, ask yourself, how do you FUND a secret government ... see NSPD 51,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=226x5589

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:25 AM
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90. She went to Pat Robertson University, for chrissake. She probably thinks a "subpoena" is a part of
Edited on Wed May-23-07 01:26 AM by impeachdubya
the male anatomy that she's not supposed to touch until she's married.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 05:52 AM
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98. LOL - that explains it. nt
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:30 AM
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91. Did not our Dear Leader approve the waterboard for extracting information just like this?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:35 AM
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92. their plan is to keep holding out
until the documents "disappear" into a shredder and bonfire (if they haven't already)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 01:38 AM
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93. snort
LMAO
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 04:54 AM
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95. Waterboard her ass!
It works for GoneZo!
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 04:58 AM
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96. Bush will pardon
every criminal act associated with him and his Administration. Congress should wait for him to leave and then start calling in witnesses and issuing subpoenas. Remember we're dealing with a cult, and all laws of logic and reason do not apply. They'll be loyal because they know pardons are in the equation and morality is absent.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 05:35 AM
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97. This week on Obstruction of Justice Theater...
Edited on Wed May-23-07 05:35 AM by SalmonChantedEvening
The Goodling, The Badling, and the Uglying.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 06:31 AM
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99. I think the House should tell her that's okay
because otherwise it might hurt our chances in 2008.:sarcasm:
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 06:52 AM
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101. "Sargent at Arms, take that woman into custody"
If she doesn't produce the documents lock her ass up until the end of the 102nd congress.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 07:36 AM
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102. So, we will see if this will be another case where the congress says
we tried. I think the administration and their employees and former employees are finding out this congress is harmless.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-23-07 10:18 AM
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104. Sounded like they brought them to the House Hearing.
If I got the correct impression, they told Conyers they are turning them over now.
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