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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:38 AM Original message |
The French strike wave: A new stage in the class struggle |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. Storming the Bastille, 2010 style |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. Good reporting on the disease by WSWS as usual. But I don't trust their prescription/analysis. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. i don't trust their prescriptions either, or their motives. but they cover stories the msm ignores, |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. This is what should be happening here. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. Important nuance: |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Perhaps those who support the strikers but not the strike have some other idea how to stop the new.. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. They don't do that even when they're happy (and French never are) |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Can't fail worse than the American workers' tactic of keeping our heads down, crossing our fingers |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Agreed there: both fail |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Disagree |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 03:07 AM Response to Reply #17 |
83. lol. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. 70% support the strikers, but no one supports the strike? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I don't see "no one supports the strikes" in that post. Perhaps you misread. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. "NONE of them sympathized with blocking the gas stations or stopping mass transit" |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim, trains gotta run on time. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Do you know who makes up the leadership of the CGT? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. "Marchais types" -- now that piques my interest. please elaborate. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. I guess this is whom this poster refers to. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Georges Marchais was head of the PCF |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. dang it, i thought you meant the monaco royals. too bad. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
76. It pains me to disappoint. It's a sad thing, I know. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Do you even know who Marchais was. I am 50 and he was in politics when I was about 10 to 20. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. CFDT not, CGT yes |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Thank you for posting this difference. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Anyone who doesn't know the difference probably doesn't spend a lot of time there |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
65. my "american relatives" support thr teabaggers, but i'd never think of claiming that they represent- |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. True, but this is typically French. The fact that 70 % supports the strikers is significant. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Agreed--very typical of France |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Frankly, this is not what I hear from my family. I guess we will have to disagree. |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Depends on your circumstances and whom you know |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 03:10 AM Response to Reply #55 |
84. the fact that you go to france 3 times a month is meaningless for the same reasons |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 04:42 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Saying I might deliver drugs to French aristocrats and banker friends is, to be polite, inaccurate |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 07:27 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. i wasn't suggesting you did in fact, as you obviously understand. just an example |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
6. Solidarity K&R nt |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
7. k & r |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
8. K&R +1,000,000,000,000 |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
9. Workers of the world, unite |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
10. Recommend |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
11. Better to burn the country to the ground... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
12. Let's hop in the Hyundai and we'll all strike! SOLIDARITY! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
14. K & R nt |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
19. K&R |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
20. The bastards are using rubber bullets against high school kids... |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
22. K & R !!! |
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KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
23. K&R Hannah n/t |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
24. World Socialist Web Site (WSWS) is a tiny political sect which is not supporting the French protests |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Exactly the same could be said of that rag's coverage of issues in Detroit |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
95. Bookmarked--thank you for the info, and the research on the source. n/t |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
25. The Fourth International? It's not 1938 anymore - and Trotsky's long gone. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. i agree. it's a stupid & possibly double-dealing position. i'm not a member of wsws. however, |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I agree - our own media is AWOL on this story. I haven't seen anything even on cable news, save one |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
73. The NYT does, on page A10.... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. But posting from the WSWS again, and again, and again, and then vehemently defending their positions |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. you seem to be confused. i don't defend their "positions," if by that you mean their plan to |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. I meant the jihad against trade unions, Hannah. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You seem to believe that calling out the collaborationist leadership of the UAW & AFT = jihad |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. I think your singular focus on trashing labor unions is very suspicious, yes. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:01 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. i've "trashed" no unions, just the collaborationist leadership of two unions. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #82 |
91. So...no link for your unhinged assertions then? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. you're a laff riot, rommie. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
59. I understand. But look around, you'll find other genuine left sources, including authentic |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I post from socialist worker, too & many other sources. however, i find socialist worker is often |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
26. And, oh yeah, Rec, since the story should be read despite my reservations about its prescriptions. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I agree. Here's a more serious and informative article from the real 4th International! |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Thank you for the link to the site and the article - while these folks are quite a bit to my Left, |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Did you read "My Life" or his book going after Joseph Stalin? I read them some years ago. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. "Stalin's falsehoods" ( or something like that)? Been so long I'm going to have to Google it. Plus, |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I remember reading two books. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. I'm so glad this subject came up, because Googling around I was able to find a resource I could've |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. .. |
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BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
42. If workers and peasants unite against debts created by the elites... |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
48. My only question is... |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. I bet you worry about people's health care all the time. Must be a heavy burden. France needs you |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Calm down sparky... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. This is bullshit. What is straining the system is that fewer and fewer people |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. Wow, you make it so simple... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 03:18 AM Response to Reply #77 |
85. it is very simple, in gross outline. the rich get richer at the expense of the rest. always. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. that's bullshit. older people aren't "straining the system". the rich just want a bigger cut. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Imagine what you want to nt. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. you're the only person imagining. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #81 |
94. I don't know what that has to do with anything... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. um, 146% growth in wealth per adult (just since 2000) vs. negative population growth |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Wealth per adult... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. it has to do with the amount of wealth in the society & the growth of that wealth v. population. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Why is there more wealth? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. how do you "save" more than you produce, bubbelah? |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. Wealth is not an indicator... |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 06:27 AM Response to Reply #61 |
88. No. The solution is a redistribution of wealth. I expect you have a substantial superfluity, |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. You can redistribute the wealth until everyone gets the same amount... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. As that problem is imaginary, no need to solve it. Thanks to the miracle of capitalist |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. It's not an imaginary problem... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. lol. 146% increase in wealth v. 5% increase in population says otherwise. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #107 |
116. It may have been a small amount of wealth to begin with... |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
105. France has one of the highest taxation rates |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. Unemployment rate in France = 10%. This suggests there's no shortage of workers, |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
52. Good crowd. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Only two years ago, Sarkozy could be heard to gloat: "These days, |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I also found it amusing. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
60. And most Americans can't get off their lazy asses to go to a demonstration |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Nah, the Kia is in the shop. Can you pick me up? SOLIDARITY! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #75 |
86. you know, since you're a supporter of union-busting charter schools, your jokes |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. No I'm not. Link? Making up smears is pathetic! |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:05 AM Original message |
PS I always love your *excuses* as to why it's "OK" to betray this worker or that worker |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
102. link? link? link? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #102 |
114. Sad! |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #86 |
92. PS I always love your *excuses* as to why it's "OK" to betray this worker or that worker |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
67. We need a measure of this |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
68. Kick |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
72. Things are heating up |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
79. I'm listening to Professor Wolfe on a local radio station |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
80. I'm listening to Professor Wolfe on a local radio station |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
96. There is plenty of wealth in this world for every human being to enjoy a decent standard of living. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
106. How does a country with wealth tax + high income tax, solve this? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. solve what? they can easily support their aging population. |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 07:28 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Solve the fact their pension system is almost bankrupt |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
109. Europe is at least a decade or more away from the US |
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113. Retirement plans didn't anticipate longevity + Alzheimer's |
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