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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 08:29 PM Original message |
The Confederacy: America's Worst Idea |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't see what's "embarrassing" about it... |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. also... |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I've been lucky enough to see James Loewen speak a couple times |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. Sigh... they DID secede because of states rights. |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Thank you! +10000 |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
65. Many people *believed* the Iraq war was about stopping terrorism |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 11:16 AM Response to Reply #40 |
78. Precisely |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
76. Thanks for the link--I'll look for that book. nt |
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Just One Woman (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. In the south |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. You are quite the prognosticator. |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. I live here, too. The conflict is already here, and it keeps growing. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. So long as they ignore the entire Constitution they were right... |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
5. Very good article, but the comments at the article are embarrassing |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. It's really sick knowing that people still defend the Confederacy.... |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
6. We had a two hour discussion about what would have happened if the war wasn't fought and |
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VioletLake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Spike Lee made a compelling movie about your 2nd scenario: |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Thanks, I'll take a look at it. |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
74. I found it on YouTube |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Wasn't that a comedy? |
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VioletLake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I don't know if the movie was intended to be a comedy, |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Not necessarily a comedy. A mockumentary |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Slight edit |
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VioletLake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
54. Thanks for the correction, MedicalAdmin. nt |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
48. Spike produced this film, which was 'made' or directed by |
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VioletLake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. I see that now. Thanks, Bluenorthwest. nt |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm strating to think that the idea that you can punish the Dems by not voting is right up there |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
80. I keep repeating that over and over. That argument is apparently |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
15. If we had let the south secede, |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. That's probably a good prediction of what could have happened. |
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DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I'm a member of a Civil War Roundtable |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. Had we let them go, the Confederacy would have started a war anyway. |
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DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
17. Bet you don't know these following points: |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. They didn't have a majority |
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DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. If you add the border states |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Congressional Reaportionment after the 1850 Census |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
58. One of the reasons for succession was loss of power |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
57. The Mexican American war started it all |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Might I recommend? |
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Scruffy1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. From where I sit they won |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
21. Lots of Southerners didn't want to secede. Check this out: |
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DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Many of the southern officers |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Let us not forget the Southern Unionists, mainly of the Appalachians |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. Thanks! |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. Sam Houston tried hard to keep Texas from seceeding |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
22. And if the Brits had won, people would be saying that the American Revolution was America's worst |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. sometimes I wonder about that Revolution |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. Interesting idea |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. that's possible, of course, |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. Yeah, alternate history can make you dizzy |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:44 AM Response to Reply #22 |
59. since all of our neighbors had already abandoned slavery, Im pretty sure the Confederacy would still |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. Tea Partiers are worse... |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
30. Confederacy, secession, states rights are proxy issues |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. I think America's worst idea is our politicians have sold us out to the Corporate |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. +1000 |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:49 AM Response to Reply #32 |
60. Did you seriously just compare your life to that of an slave in the antebellum south? |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. The fact still stands that America is condoning Slavery |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #32 |
67. Ugh.... try being an actual slave. nt |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
77. I'm sorry, but "all for nothing" is so disgusting that it's difficult to believe that |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:40 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Thank you for putting on your hip-boots and wading in here to say that. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
34. The Confederacy is one of the most shameful parts of America history. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Heh. No need for me to say much of anything now. You said it all. nt |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Flags are glorified national gang colors and the same holds true for the U.S. Flag. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. The topic is the Confederacy, and how some unreconstructed racists worship it. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. You can't address one without the other, of course you will have racists worship the long dead |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Just wanted to make sure you weren't dodging and deflecting. |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. and the North is innocent? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. The Confederacy was guilty of heinous treatment of slaves, and owning slaves. |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Where in my posts did I say I love the Confederacy? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
61. Because it's "heritage" and "history" |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Yes, those are the buzz words they love to use to rationalize it. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
37. A really bad idea but a helluva sales job. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Pretty much what the GOP still does with the ignorant masses who support them. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
46. Might we be smart enough to let them go this time? n/t |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
47. They lost that ideological battle TWICE THE FUCK OVER |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
50. I would say it but I'm not. Too easy. n/t |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
56. Thanks. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
66. We should have let them go. |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Wouldn't be a good idea because |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. At least 1 if not both sides would have failed |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
75. "America's Worst Idea" just got its own month to celebrate in Virginia |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
79. All one needs to do is to review the 1790 debates in Congress to get an idea |
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