On Hardball just heard Obama say DADT needs to be disbanded "orderly"

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What's disorderly about simply stopping the firing of people from our military because of their sexual orientation?

[Radical Activist]

1. Reprisals against LGBT service members would not be orderly.

Public defiance by top military leaders would not be orderly.

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2. There are no LGBT service members in the military now?

and lets pretend that will happen. If there are people that hateful in our military how is a couple of months going to change that?

[Radical Activist]

3. Of course there are LGBT members there now.

That's the point of doing it in a way that minimizes the chance of reprisals against them.

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7. How does a couple months minimize the chance of reprisals against them?

please be a little more specific

[JuniperLea]

5. Indeed...

And making it harder to re-up such stupid legislation is a good idea as well.

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8. If Obama didn't appeal the court's ruling this law could not be re-upped

[msongs]

19. depends on whether the commander in chief believes in equality and is up to the job eh? nt

[napi21]

4. He also said "The Senate passed a law prohibiting th WH from

changing DADT and it must be done now through the legal system. Those weren't his exact words but close.

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6. It doesn't matter what the senate passed. You didn't answer my question

the reason what the senate passed doesnt matter is because the federal courts just gave him a way out. And he won't take it.

But I asked you what is disorderly about stopping this policy, can you answer that?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. It has already been ruled unconstitutional --

the law the Senate passed is crap and the Court has said that -- repeatedly. :shrug: O simply refuses to have this become an issue right the GOPers can latch onto before the midterm -- he is (sadly) trying to kick it down the road for purely poliical reasons.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Orderly meaning legislation must originate in Congress and then should be signed by Obama

Standard operating procedure when you want to change the law. Of course many folks don't understand how our government works and think Obama is some sort of dictator.

Or they want Obama to issue an executive order, which is not the right way to go about changing a law like this. Besides, we used to attack Bush for his executive orders and now we want Obama to do the same? :shrug:

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11. So you think 21 democratic senators are total idiots that shouldn't be senators?

Because they said Obama could simply not appeal the judge's ruling and this would be over. What is disorderly about that?

[Cali_Democrat]

12. With sensitive issues like these, it would be wise to pass legislation

so that it can never be reversed.

[GodlessBiker]

13. You mean sensitive issues like abortion? Legislation is much better, right?

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14. How would it get reversed? Be specific. Who is your plaintiff and what is his claim

[Cali_Democrat]

21. I mean by specifically changing the law with new legislation

Rather than relying on a judges ruling that could be overturned anyways by a higher court.

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22. So your argument is that if a court rules against a law congress just passes the same law again?

and how does that happen with a senate that has waaaaay more than 40 democratic senators (58 as of today)?

Again, please, be specific. Thanks.

[donco6]

18. Legislation can be reversed. Happens all the time. n/t

[VMI Dem]

15. He's "concerned" they will get bullied for their "lifestyle choice"?

:shrug:

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16. Apparently, judging by this thread, he's not alone.

[donco6]

17. Orderly means, sometime after an election season.

And it's ALWAYS election season.

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20. Yup, to this administration elections are more important than equal rights for all

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23. He's also pusuing an oderly end to the war in Afghanistan.

[treestar]

24. I hope you never have to deal with any legal case

Or anything that involves the law in any way.

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25. I can safely say I will never deal with any legal case. You know why?

Because I don't pretend to be a lawyer, like certain people around here do. Amirite treestar?

Have you had a chance yet to look up what precedent means and what legal consequances federal district courts have on the country? I believe I gave you a link to a government website describing all this. Did you read it?

[donco6]

26. God, does that ever go both ways. n/t