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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 04:31 PM
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The “Ground Zero Mosque” of 1785
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The “Ground Zero Mosque” of 1785

By Scott Horton

Friday’s New York Times offered a bit of local history courtesy of Father Kevin V. Madigan, the pastor of St. Peter’s Roman Catholic Church in lower Manhattan. When St. Peter’s was founded at the intersection of present-day Barclay and Church Streets, roughly two blocks from the site of the proposed Islamic Cultural Center at 51 Park Place, it battled for survival:

Madigan said he was startled by how closely the arguments and parries of the opponents of the Park 51 project mirrored those brought against St. Peter’s in 1785. Father Madigan detailed those similarities in a letter to parishioners over the summer, in two sermons at an interfaith gathering last month and at a special Mass last Sunday marking the church’s anniversary. For starters, he said, there was the effort to move the planned church somewhere else.

City officials in 18th-century New York urged project organizers to change the church’s initial location, on Broad Street, in what was then the heart of the city, to a site outside the city limits, at Barclay and Church. Unlike the organizers of Park 51, who have resisted suggestions they move the project to avoid having a mosque so close to the killing field of ground zero, the Catholics complied, although they had no choice. Then there were fears about nefarious foreign backers. Just as some opponents of Park 51 have said that the $100 million-plus project will be financed by the same Saudi sheiks who bankroll terrorists, many early Protestants in the United States saw the pope as the enemy of democracy, and feared that the little church would be the bridgehead of a papal assault on the new American government. The Park 51 organizers say they will not accept any foreign backing. But with about only 200 Catholics in New York in the late 1700s, most of them poor, St. Peter’s Church would not have been built without a handsome gift from a foreigner — and a papist at that — $1,000 from King Charles III of Spain.

The angry eruptions at some of the demonstrations this summer against the Muslim center — with signs and slogans attacking Islam — were not as vehement as those staged against St. Peter’s, Father Madigan said. On Christmas Eve 1806, two decades after the church was built, the building was surrounded by Protestants incensed at a celebration going on inside — a religious observance then viewed by some in the United States as an exercise in “popish superstition,” more commonly referred to as Christmas. Protesters tried to disrupt the service. In the melee that ensued, dozens were injured, and a policeman was killed. “We were treated as second-class citizens; we were viewed with suspicion,” Father Madigan wrote in his letter to parishioners, adding, “Many of the charges being leveled at Muslim-Americans today are the same as those once leveled at our forebears.”


This is long repressed history. In England of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, Catholics were viewed as terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, and suffered brutal repression. When the government moved to emancipate the Catholics–restoring a measure of civil rights to them–this provoked violent mass demonstrations in 1780 that shook the monarchy. Across the Atlantic in America, anti-Catholic sentiment was if anything even more virulent, and it extended for many more decades, spurred by Catholic immigration.

Father Madigan’s view of the Park 51 project? “We were just pleased to have a new neighbor,” he said.

more:
http://harpers.org/archive/2010/10/hbc-90007704
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/08/nyregion/08zero.html?hpw
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 04:40 PM
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1. K&R
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 05:05 PM
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2. amazing paralells
so the religious protestants were nutso even back then...protesting CHRISTMAS!? :wtf:

after all we know about equality and civil rights and all the griping they (the RW fundies) do about freedom...
it really only means THEIR rights, freedoms, et al. How far we have come in 200 years, eh?
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 05:16 PM
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3. i did not know
that protestants hated xmas?
peace, kp
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 06:11 PM
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4. That article only gives part of the story...
At the Reformation, many different groups broke away from Rome, but they each had their own agendas. For example, the Church of England (Episcopalians here) simply kept going as they were, refusing to accept Papal jurisdiction, but otherwise staying in continuity with the Catholic Church as it had existed before. Others went further, and set up entirely new church denominations (each claiming that they were "the one true church," of course). And then there were splinter groups that came out of the new denominations, claiming that they alone had purged all the "Papist corruptions" to the faith, etc., etc.

Generally, most Protestant and Anglican denominations had no problem with Christmas. The more extreme Calvinists (Presbyterians of the time, although with very little connection to the current variety), in their quest to "purify" Christianity from Roman influences, rejected Christmas as a pagan holiday with merely a Christian veneer imposed by Rome, and thus hopelessly heathen. During the time that England was under control of Cromwell and the Roundheads (sort of the British Calvinist Taliban), Christmas celebrations were forbidden. Later, after the restoration of the monarchy and the Church of England, Christmas was observed again. I suspect that the demonstrations mentioned in the article were probably staged by one such "Reformed" (as Calvinists like to call themselves, as opposed to "Protestant") group. Considering that New York was originally a Dutch settlement, I would assume the Calvinist influence was pretty strong there.

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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 06:21 PM
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6. But Christmas IS...
"...a pagan holiday with merely a Christian veneer imposed by Rome, and thus hopelessly heathen."

Bill
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 06:28 PM
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7. In part, but not completely...
Edited on Mon Oct-11-10 06:29 PM by regnaD kciN
It is a common "urban legend" that Christianity, not knowing the real date of Jesus's birth, simply placed it on the old Roman celebration of "Sol Invictus" ("the unconquerable sun"). However, that wasn't the complete reason. Apparently, there was another urban legend of that time that held that great and famous people always lived an even number of years from conception to death. In other words, one died on the same day of the year as one had been conceived. Working backwards from that, it was known that Jesus was crucified at the beginning of Passover, which, in the year 1 A.D. (which, in actuality, wasn't the actual year of his birth, but that wasn't known at the time, either) apparently took place on what we would call March 25th. Therefore, it was assumed, he had to have been born nine months after March 25th, or December 25th. The fact that that fell just after the winter solstice ("light coming back to a darkened world"), which was the impetus for the celebration of Sol Invictus as well, was just a bonus.

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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 06:36 PM
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8. Jesus himself is an urban legend. nt
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-10 06:21 PM
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5. It's not quite a parallel...
...because the fact is that Rome, until the Vatican Council of the 1960s, didn't officially accept the principle of religious freedom. Theoretically, it was the duty of Catholics to work to make Catholicism the official religion of the country in which they lived (although no one really took the "duty" too seriously, including Rome). Strictly speaking, it would be as if all of Islam, and not just the fundamentalists, taught that every Muslim was required to do what they could to get Sharia imposed on their own country. Could you imagine the prejudice against Muslims here if that were an official teaching of the faith?

Unfortunately, the tendency of certain Popes to muddle in other countries' politics caused much of the problem. While we may all regard the anti-Catholic measures in England to have been unjust and deplorable, they followed on a) the Pope excommunicating Queen Elizabeth I, and ordering all good Catholics to rise up and overthrow her on pain of being excommunicated themselves, b) the Spanish Armada, aimed similarly at forcing a Papal-loyalist government on England, and c) the "Gunpowder Plot" of Guy Fawkes and other Roman Catholic zealots to kill King James and the entire Parliament. After incident after incident of Rome attempting to violently overthrow the British government to replace it with one that would impose Roman Catholic rule on its people, is it any wonder that the British came to view all Roman Catholics as at least potentially disloyal and "in league with the enemy?"

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