I see it every election cycle. But, when they put in a republican president

[B Calm]

with a republican congress all hell breaks loose. They'll spend money like a drunken sailor on shore leave in pig alley (Naples Italy). They deregulate everything, and then give huge tax cuts the filthy rich bastards that send our manufacturing jobs overseas. They start unnecessary wars to enrich the war profiteers and start cutting away at social security. Then when the people say enough, they vote in a democratic president to clean up the mess.

Democrats are the only ones with balls to do what is necessary to keep the country operating. This is when the republicans when they're not having sex with animals and jacking off without lubrication to pictures in Mad magazine sit back on their big fat hemorrhoid asses, make up lies and point their shit stained fingers at the totally innocent democrats.

Republicans don't know how to live within the rules of the game....they just change the rules to suit their own sick ass desires. If not for the REPUBLICANS, we would have clean air, the solar ice caps would not be melting, we would not be at war, would have no income tax at all, and would probably all retire as millionaires! Unfortunately, the only way these hard headed animal screwing MFer's to get the message, is to drop dead and DIE!!!! Then, God will enlighten them and only then will they see all the screwed up shit they have caused in this country!

But the voters in this country have a very short memory and will most likely put these propagandist SOB's back into power. I've seen it over and over, It's like Groundhog Day every election cycle!

[lunatica]

1. You can serve Mammon or you can serve the people

But you can't do both. Trite but ever so true words.

[Raspberry]

2. OK, I'll bite

How do you figure we'd have NO income tax???

[B Calm]

3. By taxing the corporations and rich who dodge paying taxes now!

[Raspberry]

4. The corporations

will pass the cost of the taxes onto the consumers of their products. We will end up paying them, not the corporations. When your box of cereal costs $15, it will be because of the taxes on General Mills.

[B Calm]

5. Who do you think determines if we'll buy the product? The consumer

is the person who created the corporation.

[Raspberry]

8. Yes, and

when no one buys their products, the corporation will go out of business, and will pay nothing in. Then you will tax another corporation at an even higher rate, and your $15 box of cereal will cost $25. There is no way for the consumer to win this one.

[SmileyRose]

12. Bull farts

prices are now and always were determined by the maximum the consumer is willing to pay to solve whatever problem the product solves. If they jack underarm deodorant up to what people will not pay, we'll learn to live stinky again - if commercial food gets jacked up beyond what we'll pay we'll either eat less or move to some other way to obtain food (like a garden and more local suppliers).

As for corporate taxation. Yes the costs are rolled into prices to a point. But when the prices max out the taxation has to get eaten by the corporation instead of being sent to the few people who own the majority of shares as dividends. And I can tell you a major shareholder would much rather reinvest in the business itself and take the deductions rather than pay the government.

When we had taxes up the wazoo for large corporations and capital gains on investment, we had a MUCH higher reinvestment rate in the businesses. More jobs, higher incomes for those jobs, more purchasing of equipment and inventory within corporations. Now with low taxes we just have corporate profits and large payouts to a few primary shareholders. The ONLY way to get them to start putting the cash back into the business, into jobs and into worker benefits and salaries, is to jack up the taxes.

[B Calm]

13. As long as there is a need for a product

there will be someone willing to do what is necessary to provide it. If they charge too much, another will take their place. You see the corporation as the victim, and I don't! I see them as someone out to make a buck and will do what is necassary to be able to sell their product.

[Raspberry]

16. I don't see the corporations as "victims"

but I don't think they are the villians that most of DU seems to think they are. I see it as a cooperative process. They provide products we want, and the jobs to produce the products. The corporations DON'T have the best interests of their workers or their consumers at the top of the list of priorities, but we need them, and they need us.

Those of us who depend on a corporation for a paycheck, don't want to see them taxed out of existence, just as they don't want to see us as too poor to buy their products. Kind of a symbiotic relationship.

[B Calm]

18. The way they been acting over the past 30 yrs, they are villains out

to take the most and biggest profits without any regard to their workers or the country that provide the services that keeps their factories open.
You remind me of a guy I use to work with that would get upset when the government would fine the company for environmental laws they broke. He was so afraid they would close the doors because the government demanded they follow the law. He felt the company had the right to pollute as long as he had a job. The company just paid the fines and cleaned up their act.

Taxed out of existence, lol. . . Hell they don't pay any taxes, it's about time they start! If they knew their profits were going to be taxed, they would do what they use to do (pre-Reagan) and reinvest back into their company and pay better wages to their workers to avoid higher taxes.

[FormerDittoHead]

9. Here's how. Cut the military and we can all but eliminate income taxes.

First off, I'm not going to say that many Democrats aren't as bad as Republicans in this regard, but the fact is that if we cut the military to be in line with say, China or Russia (meaning about a 75% - 80% cut) that would save us just about enough to eliminate income taxes.

Income taxes account for ~45% of total tax revenue
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/revenue.cfm

Military spending accounts for ~54%.
http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

[Raspberry]

10. The Pentagon budget

includes $$$$ for lots of jobs--military and also the jobs provided by civilian contractors, good, solid blue collar manufacturing jobs. How would you replace those jobs?

[mrdmk]

14. First of all, being in the military is not a job, it is a service to your country

Reagan made it a 'job' so the unemployment record in 1982 would look better.

Those good jobs by civilian (military) contractors as you call them is bunk. Workers are laid-off and re-hired on the speculation of contracts. There is no job security. To further the point, most (99%) of the electronics for these 'blue collar manufacturing jobs' come from Asia. Your solid is turning into mush.

There are three items that can be lumped together and that is a divorce, a fight, and a war. There is no winning any of these type of conflicts, only degrees of losing. WAR is a losing proposition no matter how you slice it!!!

Raspberry, all of your post on this thread are using the over-used fear card of this or that. Do me and others a favor, come up with an original thought...

[Raspberry]

15. It's a service, but

as long as their are paychecks involved, those paychecks will have to come from somewhere. It not the Pentagon, then where?

There is no job security anywhere anymore. Military contractors are no different than any other segment on the economy. If there is demand, there will be jobs. No demand, no then there are layoffs. Just saying that if you cut the Pentagon by 75%, you are going to have an "army" of unemployed, probably a few MILLION more than we have now, with nothing to replace the jobs lost.

[FormerDittoHead]

17. ...I don't know - may they could design & make SOMETHING OF USE. You want a LIST?

First off, only an idiot would think that we could make dramatic cuts in the military overnight. It would have to be phased in over decades.

For the most part, people would probably just not be replaced, so it's not like I'm talking about firing people.

But the fact is that nothing of the sort of a military drawdown is even on the table, and that's the big problem, IMO.

Instead of making billion dollar jets which will never fly, they could design & make SOMETHING OF USE and MAYBE something that would benefit people who aren't so well off, but still pay into the system via payroll taxes.

Off the very top of my head:

Alternative energy.
Medical research.
Robotics.
Repairing, maintaining and building new transportation infrastructure.
Nanotechnology.
Housing and housing technology.
Public education.
More medical schools.
Public transportation.
Information infrastructure.

You know, all that stuff that's been almost completely neglected because we're doing so much with the military and have no money left over that we have to talk about making cuts in all these other areas.

[DemocracyInaction]

6. I've watched this movie

...for decades. The people fall for it every time. This time I have no sympathy for "the people". I've spent too much of my life caring about "the people". Now, I shall enjoy seeing them become poorer and more of them unemployed and then I'll scream "HAD ENOUGH YET YOU ASSHOLES"? Wait until they fuck with my generations SS and medicare which everyone of us elderly (except the rich bastards)need or we would be sharing a can of cat food over a heat grate. THAT's when republicans will be burned at the stake..........

[B Calm]

19. You'd think people would be smart enough right now to see

through their con game. These are the same dumb fucks that believed all the lies that took us into two unneeded wars. Hell they even believed Iraq was hiding WMD's, when it should have been apparently clear they didn't have them. What would be the purpose of having WMD's if your not willing to use them against an invading army? All it would take is using a little common sense, which apparently a lot of people lack. I really don't know what it's going to take to wake these ignorant bastards up. Hell when they fuck with our social security and medicare, they'll somehow blame the democrats by lying through their teeth and their sheep will believe it because they heard it on FOX news.

[mrdmk]

7. I have to agree with to a point, the last 5 Republican Presidents were more con than pro

Republican Presidents Eisenhower, Roosevelt, and Lincoln were very thoughtful of their actions. Their thoughtfulness and actions are still provoking polices in this country and others around the world. Gotta give credit to where credit is due.

President Nixon did not start the dirty tricks campaign, but sure did use them to his advantage. To Nixon's credit, he did start the Environmental Protection Agency (the EPA and others), Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and some civil rights. The EPA was a long time coming and Nixon started this agency with an executive order (which means it can be disbanded with an executive order). OSHA mostly benefits(ed) the working person. Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) was signed by Nixon. Nixon's down-falls were many, expansion of the Vietnam war into other countries then lying about it, the fiat currency and its ramifications which we were trying to deal with back then as we are now, and Watergate (he got caught yes, but the "sword" was turned by the 'powers that be' whom Nixon worked with) and others. Nixon may not have been a racist, but he sure did use it to his advantage to attain power.

President Ford was the not first un-elected president of this country, that honor goes to Rutherford B. Hayes. Ford's claim to fame is his presidential pardon to Nixon. That may have set-up the Presidential Office more than anything else to be above the law. President Reagan needed to go down hard for Iran-Contra along with President George H.W. Bush. President George W. Bush had no business being in office in the first place. Of this group, I agree with your statement...

On edit: Too many words...

[old mark]

11. Rec. All republican presidents since Eisenhower have been real shits.

Nixon did some good, probably incidently, and Reagan did a few good things, probably by accident.

The GOP's policy is simple - The USA is a huge country, and it will take a lot of milking and looting before things go really bad. Under GWB, we all found out how much is too much. The Democrats are much more interested in the good of the American people, although the ruin the republicans have done to us all is now so extreme, it will take at least 4 years of good legislation to get us close to ground level again. The republicans see the workers and middle class as a money source, for their rich bosses and for themselves.

I have nothing but disgust for the GOP, and although I'm not very happy with the limited circumstances the Democrats find themselves in right now, they have my support and my votes.

The Democrats are certainly not perfect. The republicans are enemies of America.

mark

[Duke Newcombe]

20. People are stupid in the US

They forget 8 years of duplicity, one war of aggression, another ineptly executed war, giveaways to the two-percenters, just because daddy Obama didn't make it all go away in 18 months. Pathetic.