Whitman just blew the election: Debate on Hispanic TV

[Liberty Belle]

Tonight's debate was broadcast on Univision. One in five California voters is Hispanic.

Apart from revelations that Whitman fired her Hispanic maid after learning she was undocumented (and may have known so for nine years), her answers to issues of importance at tonight's debate in my view hammered the nails into her political coffin. For instance:

Brown accused Whitman of saying "one thing in Spanish, one thing in English" regarding government benefits for illegal immigrants. He noted that she has said she would have opposed Proposition 187, a 1994 ballot measure that would have denied taxpayer benefits for illegal immigrants, but ran radio ads during the primary that said those in the country illegally should not receive such benefits.
"This is a question about talking out of both sides of her mouth," he said.
<snip>

Whitman was repeatedly pressed on whether, once the border is secured, she would allow a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants here; she refused to answer and instead repeated her campaign platform of securing the border and creating a temporary guest worker program.

Her stance led to an awkward encounter when a Cal State Fresno student in the audience told the candidates that she is about to graduate with honors but won't be able to find work because she is undocumented. She asked both candidates their positions on the DREAM Act, which would provide an opportunity for citizenship for some illegal immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, complete some college or military service and meet other requirements.

Brown said he would support the measure, and then added that his opponent does not think undocumented students should be allowed to enroll in state colleges. "She wants to kick you out of this school because you are not documented and that is wrong, morally and humanly," Brown said.


(Can you imagine any Latino parent voting for this woman after her answers to these questions?)

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/la-me-1003-brown-whitman-debate-20101003,0,112578,full.story

[lunatica]

1. I can't imagine anyone voting for this woman

Except people who are just like her. How many could that be?

[TheMadMonk]

21. I hate that this sounds like a slam on the country, but the answer unfortunately is...

...far too many Americans. Because for so long the American meme has been: "Screw the other guy when you have the chance, before he has a chance to screw you." Whether or not that might have been his intention being utterly irrelevant.

It is in fact a very sad commentary on the United States that you really do begin by assuming the worst of the other guy and behaving accordingly. You do it as individuals, you do it as communities you do it as businesses and you do it as a nation.

[davidhilton]

28. Unfortunately, many people will vote for Queen Megalithic.

Some people here in Calif hate anything Democrat, they usually live in non-urban areas of California.
She will get votes, however, if all democrats vote Brown, we should be in good shape.

[ej510]

53. Central california, from Stockton to Fresno. Bakersfield to.

San Diego to.

[awoke_in_2003]

49. "How many could that be?"

enough to make this country unlivable for people with functioning brains.

[alfredo]

2. Now we need Rand Paul to be sent packing.

[msongs]

3. the ills of america in one woman - corporate, heartless, self-serving, greedy, hypocrite nt

[blondeatlast]

26. You nailed it. nt

[stopbush]

4. Not only was Meg an even bigger mess in this debate than the last one,

but Jerry was in even better form than he was last time.

Put a fork in Meg - she's done. She'll spend the rest of the campaign being confronted with the illegal immigrant story, even after the debates end and even if she refuses to talk to the press. On the other hand, Brown has already won both debates, has had a chance to remind CAians what he accomplished as governor, has proved he can think on his feet and has done so with humor while exhibiting a genuine human touch.

Meg looks like yesterday's news, ie: something one might auction off on e-bay.

I'd guess that as embarrassing as Maidgate is to Meg, the bigger embarrassment will be the fact that she wasted $120MM+ in a losing effort. I doubt she'll pull 40% come election day.

[Liberty Belle]

6. Is a video of the debate posted yet? Please provide link if you've found one.

[stopbush]

14. Go to Univision online.

There was a link to the debate in an earlier thread on DU. That's how I found it. I guess it wasn't televised live. It was taped so Uni could dub Spanish in for the debaters post-production.

[Liberty Belle]

34. I went there but only saw a Spanish version. need English.

[Brother Buzz]

38. I watched the entire debate at Univision.com in English

Go back and press some buttons or kick it a few times. :shrug:

[Tx4obama]

41. Here's a link to the videos in English

http://univision34.univision.com/destino2010/gubernatorial-debate/gubernatorial-debate-videos/

[mascarax]

10. How much more will she spend?

In what we hope is her futile -- and expensive -- attempt to buy her seat?

I wonder now if she'll throw much more at it.

[davidhilton]

29. Since she has billions, spending a couple more million in an effort to buy the Governorship

Is no big deal for Queen Mega-lomaniac.

[gateley]

5. How sweet would this be that this smug bitch who tried to buy her way into the

Governor's office ended up shooting herself in the foot? I want to see her go down in flames.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. I think she will lose, and hugely...

May she be a lesson to future hypocritical Republicans who think they can lie and buy their way into office.

Recommended.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

8. K&R

Way to go Jerry!!

[mix]

9. what a pleasure it is to see her fall nt

[Gman]

11. Brown is running as an unabashed progressive and winning

California is one of the few places where it works.

[TomCADem]

13. He Is Running As A Progressive, But He Is Also Against Tax Increases...

...and he is pushing for some pension reform, though not trying to put everyone into a 401(k) as Republicans advocate.

[PassingFair]

31. Progressives are socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

So...he's running as an unabashed Progressive,
just as stated!

[droidamus2]

37. Really?

I thought that was the definition of a Libertarian.

[mkultra]

43. libertarians dont believe in government intervention

progressives do.

[TomCADem]

12. Whitman Has Enough Money To Run Totally Opposite Ads In English and Spanish

But, when you have spent $119 million, I guess you can afford your own special reality.

[lunasun]

15. She already seems to be in an altered reality ..why not have more than one if U can afford it? nt

[blue sky at night]

16. I like your question at the end of the post....

if I may rephrase just a bit: (Can you imagine any parent voting for any republican candidate after their answers to any question?)\

K & R

[democracy1st]

17. K & R

[NYC_SKP]

18. To be honest, I don't like Jerry Brown...

I love him. I always have.

:loveya:

[livetohike]

22. +1000

:-)

[autorank]

19. She's simply dreadful and Brown has a positive program

California has had enough of the addled brain of Arnie and it does not need the nasty PayPal princess called Meg.

She's a billionaire crybaby who needs to go down and hard.

Go Brown!

[uponit7771]

20. It's a good time for Brown to hammer this home and defeat Whitmans spending

[Hepburn]

23. I watched the debate on a live feed....

...I literally cringed at her comments to the Latina student. Meg told her it was unfair to California residents that she ~~ an undocumented person ~~ took one of the places of a Calif resident in a State University.

Get a fork...she's done. (Thank gawd!) Whitman cannot win without the Hispanic vote and her attitude last evening mega sucked towards them. She was the blonde WASP looking down her nose at those little brown people ~~ man, did that come across like she had it tatooed on her forehead.

[MrMickeysMom]

39. Good... I hope to see some of the out-takes...

i saver her being hoisted by her own petard!

[Stuart G]

24. K and R

[TexasObserver]

25. recommend

[Qutzupalotl]

27. I wish more Dems would say what they think is right and wrong.

It might not resonate so much with the base, but it sure reaches independents. Let your outrage show, and most people will see that and side with you. You appear like a strong moral leader with convictions, which is what a lot of them are looking for. But if you duck the issue out of fear of offending someone, just the opposite happens.

[Swamp Rat]

30. GOOD!!! There is no way she will ever become Governor of California unless the vote is stolen

I hope she wastes another 100 million before she loses. :)

:kick:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

47. My dear Swamp Rat!

Debra Bowen is our SOS, and she is working to keep our elections open and honest. I worry a lot less with her at that helm these days!

[political_Dem]

48. Me too--to the point of bankruptcy.

[sabrina 1]

32. Why would she allow a path to citizenship?

She and her corporate buddies like the fact that undocumented workers provide cheap labor for them. Someone should have asked her if that is why she prefers not to offer the opportunity of citizenship to them.

[customerserviceguy]

33. Hopefully, her performance in the debates

will cause her to spend even more of her ill-gotten gains on the election, we all know California's media industry can use the money.

[robertpaulsen]

35. I hope everyone now understands exactly what this Meg-alomaniac stands for.

Just the first few sentences of the most recent Time articles spells it out:

Meg Whitman says she's running for governor of California to bring a sense of fiscal responsibility to Sacramento. But Whitman's own campaign isn't exactly what you'd call frugal. The former eBay CEO turned Republican politico has already pumped about $120 million of her estimated $1.3 billion personal fortune into the race.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2022523,00.html#ixzz11LSfdu8B

[mackerel]

36. Brown was on fire! Fecking brilliant.

[MrMickeysMom]

40. Do you think any of the video would be available?

I'd love to send it around.

[Tx4obama]

44. Here's a link that has several clips of the debate divided up by issue

http://univision34.univision.com/destino2010/gubernatorial-debate/gubernatorial-debate-videos/

[MrMickeysMom]

52. Thanks!

:hi:

[saltpoint]

42. There's much to recommend Brown in and of himself,

and absolutely nothing to recommend Whitman.

But one of the variables working strongly in Brown's favor is his intellience, which is considerable and extensive.

Meg, eh, not so much.

[KansasVoter]

45. This is the third "she has lost the election" posts yet she is still a contender!

Sad!

[political_Dem]

46. Queen Meg and the Hindenberg disaster have something in common.

And it warms the cockles of my heart as the flames get higher in a fiery conflageration.

[KamaAina]

50. One's a flaming Nazi gasbag

and the other one's an airship? :P

[political_Dem]

51. Yes, she's definitely an overblown, flaming Nazi windbbag, lol.

I think you hit the nail on the head. :D