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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:13 PM
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Living In Hell In Beverly Hills, or, 'Another wealthy, whining conservative..."
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 03:15 PM by babylonsister
Living In Hell In Beverly Hills

by digby


Another wealthy, whining conservative telling everyone how good he has it while complaining that he has to pay taxes. Here's Ben Stein:

I am a fairly upper income taxpayer. Not anything even remotely close to sports stars or movie stars or financial big boys. But I am above the level Mr. Obama says makes me rich. So, in the midst of a severe recession, I am to have my taxes raised dramatically.

I am not quite sure what my sin is.

I worked for almost every dollar I have, except for a small percentage my parents left me by virtue of hard work and Spartan living, and most of that was taken by the federal estate tax. I have a hell of a lot less than I did before the stock market and real estate market crashes. I didn't get a bailout or any part of a stimulus program, except for traffic jams as the roads in Beverly Hills got worked on for the 10th time in the last 10 years (or so it seems).

I pay my income taxes, and after them and the commissions I pay my agent, I am left with about 35 cents for every dollar I earn.

I own some real estate in California and Idaho and the District of Columbia. Naturally, I pay property tax, supposedly mostly to educate local children. Not far from me, the city of Los Angeles just spent about $600 million to build the most lavish school in America for about 4,000 children. That's my money. Naturally, I had no say in it. My wife and I have no children in public schools and only did for about eighteen months long ago. I still pay my school tax ever year.


As far as I'm concerned, his "sin" is being a spoiled, talentless, arrogant cartoon celebrity who adds no value to anything in this misbegotten society and yet thinks he's some kind of Galtian hero. If I have to listen to one more of these petulant scumbags argue about how they're being punished for their "hard work" I'm going to stab my ears with chopsticks. It's class warfare all right --- launched by crude, wealthy American slobs who have no class.

more...

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/ben-stein-paying-for-his-sins-by-living.html
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:22 PM
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1. He's a nasty pig.
NOT a nice guy. I've met him.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:49 PM
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9. You've got my sympathy. I've met a lot of those guys
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 03:51 PM by Warpy
but I managed to miss Ben Stein, something for which I am deeply grateful. At this point in my life, I'd want to scratch his eyeballs out and rub dirt in his face and I doubt I'm rich or well connected enough to get acquitted.

These aren't the rich, by the way, they're the upper middle class, people who did have to put out some effort of one type or another to make a high income, usually by mouthing right wing propaganda or creating paper profits for the truly rich. They have taken a hit in the past three years. They just are clueless and too damned dumb to figure out why. Oh, and they're not going to listen to us, they're much too important for that.

They do have legitimate complaints, but they're issuing blame in all the wrong directions. Instead of blaming hedge funds for rigging the market, banks for taking unacceptable risks with their money, and all sorts of people simply not doing their jobs at all levels of the real estate bubble, they're blaming school children.

I don't have any idea what will get through to these drones. Maybe their greed will cause them to lose it all and they'll experience poverty for the first time in their lives. Maybe they'll just die off from spite and selfishness. Or maybe we'll bring on the tumbrils.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:24 PM
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2. He Flat Lies,Ma'am,About Most Of His Parent's Savings Being Taken By Federal Estate Tax
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:26 PM
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4. Wow. So he's lying about his dead parents' finances to garner
sympathy for himself. They really are classless.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:32 PM
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7. Whatta guy.
:eyes:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 04:00 PM
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12. Well, each and every one that I've known has a been super touchy
about the fact that they inherited their opportunities and wealth, preferring to don the facade of the "self-made success".

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 04:44 PM
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16. it's possible that he's telling the truth, but if so, his father's estate was quite large
his father died in 1999, when the exemption was, i believe, $1,000,000 and the tax rate was 55% on the amount over the exemption.

if so, and the size of the estate was over $11,000,000, then the estate tax would have been over half of the total

part of the point of the estate tax is that even at that "punishing" a tax rate, $5,500,000 is still a tremendous windfall.


NOTE ALSO, of course, that ANY transfer of that money from herbert stein to ben stein while herbert was alive would have been taxed as income of gifts (beyond the limit at the time of $10,000 per year per person).
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 04:58 PM
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19. Only, Sir ,If Five and a Half Millions Is 'a Small Percentage' Of What He Has Now
For he says what his parents left him was just a small percentage of his worth. For him to be telling the truth on the terms above, he would have to be worth sixty millions at least, and one cannot honestly poor-mouth at that level....

This has, by the way, caught Mr. Krugman's attention:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/19/estate-of-confusion/
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:24 PM
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3. Poor, picked-on, Ben stein, proud member of the Deadbeat Rich.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:28 PM
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5. last year when we were trying to get
health care passed, when talking about those who couldn't afford it he said "the government should give them the money to buy insurance."

yes, mr. stein the government should make the insurance companies more money.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:31 PM
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6. ben stein? you mean that shill for the payday loan industry?
he should have all his money taken away just for fronting for those loan sharks.
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:47 PM
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8. Is this Satire??
Because I'm supposed to feel sorry for a guy who has multiple houses around the country who complains about paying too many taxes. Why not sell a few?? Then you won't pay as many taxes you dick.

I had a similar conversation with a Tea-Party person last week. She said that she pays too much in taxes. Not in her paycheck mind you, but every other tax. Damn girl, we all pay taxes. I have real estate taxes on my house. I have sales tax. I have phone taxes. I have cable taxes. Taxes are everywhere idiots. WE ALL PAY THEM!!

But if you go out of your way to buy multiple properties and then complain that you are paying more taxes - you sir an idiot.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:50 PM
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11. Nope. Ben Stein is hurting. Doncha feel sorry for him?
Yes, me neither.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 03:49 PM
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10. What a two faced partisan asshat... read this

What McCain Could Do About Taxes

By BEN STEIN
Published: March 9, 2008

DEAR John McCain:
Congratulations. The nomination of the Grand Old Party is yours. Now comes the hard part, winning, and the almost impossible part, governing sensibly. Since you were, in your usual modest way, genial enough to acknowledge recently that you know little about economics, may I offer you some thoughts on a big part of economics, namely tax policy, bearing in mind that no one knows much about it?

Let’s start with the obvious. Almost everyone dislikes taxes. No sane person enjoys writing out a big check to Uncle Sam when he could spend that money or bank it for retirement. By the same token, almost everyone likes the phrase “tax cuts” for the same reason.

The problem, and it’s a killer, is that over the years we have obligated ourselves as a nation to spend truly staggering sums. These sums are growing rapidly. They consist mostly of entitlements, like Social Security and Medicare; fixed obligations like interest on the national debt, pensions for federal and military employees and various subsidies that have already been enacted; and morally mandatory expenses like those for national security.

All politicians campaign on the promise to cut federal spending by identifying hitherto unfound waste, fraud and corruption. None of them ever do so in a meaningful way. Total federal spending has not once fallen noticeably since 1954, no matter the party or the promises of the incoming chief executive.

That is the first thing you need to know. The next thing is that the Republican Party (my party and yours) has for the last 30 years or so been operating under a demonstrably false and misleading premise: that tax cuts pay for themselves by generating so much economic growth that they replace the sums lost by tax cutting.

............

What to do? You appear to have changed your mind over time and have recently shown more support for the Bush tax cuts than in the past. If you become president, you can just keep up the (latter-day) Republican game of make-believe. You can propose still more tax cuts, create still more deficits and add to the debt, and say to yourself, like Louis XV, “Après moi, le déluge.”

Or, you can raise taxes. But whom to tax? The poor are, well, poor. The middle class is struggling to pay for its middle-class life. That leaves the rich. It would be lovely if we did not have to tax them. Many have worked hard for their money. Many have created useful businesses. Many of them are fine people.

But as Willie Sutton said when asked why he robbed banks, “Because that’s where the money is.” By definition, the truly rich have a lot more money than they need. If they don’t, then they are not rich by my standards. The first step toward putting our house in order, once we are past the seemingly looming recession, is much higher taxes on the truly rich and serious enforcement to prevent offshore tax evasion.

TO put it even more starkly, the government — which is us — needs the money to keep old people alive, to pay for their dialysis, to build fighter jets and to pay our troops and pay interest on the debt. We can get it by indenturing our children, selling ourselves into peonage to foreigners, making ourselves a colony again, generating inflation — or we can have some integrity and levy taxes equal to what we spend.




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09every.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=ben+Stein&st=nyt
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chowder66 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 04:39 PM
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15. I'm guessing he is in the top 2% and not the top 1% hence
the objection to paying more taxes on his income. What an ass.
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 04:03 PM
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13. "Naturally, I had no say in it"
i.e., I couldn't be bothered to vote in the school board elections, or keep up on local politics. If he's paying out 65% of his income on taxes and commissions he needs a better accountant.

And to think I used to watch Win Ben Stein's Money.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 04:15 PM
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14. Then go move to Somalia if you don't like it
I hear they have very low taxes and small government over there.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 04:45 PM
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17. whine: ben stein's money
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 04:49 PM
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18. Whiney Republicon shirkers
are such a pain in America's ass. They do not serve, and they whine night and day about having to pay their fair share. What a pack of poltroons.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 05:53 PM
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20. Including his agent really torpedoes his (already nonexistent) credibility
Heck, after I pay my taxes, and my rent and grocery bill, and put money in savings, and a bunch of other things that I want, I have left exactly 0% of my paycheck. Fucking taxes...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 05:56 PM
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21. Whoa is the poor downtrodden rich conservative.
Hey Ben Stein - fuck you!!!
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