Lanny Davis says if we lose Congress that Obama will be "liberated" from liberal base agenda.

[madfloridian]

There he goes again. I think he takes great pleasure in saying stuff like this every chance he gets. He just can't resist his digs at us.

He makes some very strange comments in this post in The Hill, words that make me think once again that our party really isn't comfortable having a majority right now. After all a lot of responsibility goes with that power.

He seems clueless to the number of times the "liberals" have been already been ignored the last two years.

‘Apres le deluge’ — a liberated Obama?

As usual he gets a nice dig in Howard Dean.

If the Democrats lose the House and lose seats in the Senate, there may be a ray of sunshine out of the bad news for President Obama.

This is not just making chicken salad out of chicken-you-know-what; history shows that a president forced to deal with the opposition party in Congress can actually end up more successful and more popular.

Remember President Clinton's experience post-1994 deluge. He was disappointed for a while, but then he found he was, in many ways, liberated from following the agenda of the most liberal base of his party, which tends to dominate debates in at least the House Democratic Caucus and to a lesser extent the Senate.

He was Clinton's WH counsel, so he might be in the know about that.

"The agenda of the most liberal base of his party"....amazing how the conservative Democrats keep saying stuff like that. Almost like they want to discourage us.

And there is this very long paragraph saying so little.

So don't be surprised that, if the Democrats lose the House or — God forbid — the Senate too this November 2010, the end result could be a boon and gift of independence for President Barack Obama from following, or at least being heavily influenced by, Democratic congressional majorities — and the liberal blogosphere and organizations such as MoveOn, which hammered him over the last two years for not being liberal enough. (Who can forget former party Chairman Howard Dean at one point opposing passage of a healthcare bill unless there was a public option? I favored a public option but always felt only those with health insurance could afford to take Gov. Dean's position; very few of the 33 million uninsured poor and middle-class people would prefer no insurance at all than a bill with guaranteed insurance. And that intransigent demand from the left for a public option, reflected in the House version of the healthcare bill, in my judgment contributed to months of unnecessary delay in passing the bill and effectively explaining it — and selling it — to the American people, who to this day still don't fully understand and appreciate its simple concepts.)

So now it will be a blessing if Obama doesn't have to cater to those on the left, according to Lanny.

There is a history of certain conservative Democrats saying things like that to keep liberals in their place.

Just a few examples:

"I've got bad news for the President's opponents in both parties: New Democrats are winning the battle for their party's soul. New Democrats, not liberals, will be the party's dominant force in the 21st century."

and more

Real Democrats who champion the mainstream values, national pride, and economic aspirations of middle-class and working people are the real soul of the Democratic Party, not activists and interest groups with narrow agendas.

Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else; they are everyone else. They don't swoon when they hear a candidate say it's time for Democrats to dream again. What they want is the American Dream, where everybody who works hard and plays by the rules has the chance to get ahead.

SNIP..."Not only is the activist wing out of line with Democratic tradition, but it is badly out of touch with the Democratic rank-and-file.

Lanny's last paragraph in The Hill today is absolutely confusing and stunning and unbelievable.

So out of the deluge, if there is one, President Obama may be able to convince the Republicans, who are no longer the opposition party and now might be blamed for the country's unsolved economic and social problems and the budget deficits: It's time to put aside hyper-partisan politics and get back into the solutions business. Join me — and I will meet you more than halfway.

Good luck on that.

[gratuitous]

1. Yes, Obama's been such a slave to the liberal agenda so far

Lanny Davis really needs an ass-kicking. Or a new political party to claim to belong to. We really don't need him styling himself as a Democrat.

[bluethruandthru]

22. Seems he's already named his party..."New Democrats".

I can't wait to read their platform.

[gkhouston]

39. Me, too. We're running low on toilet paper. n/t

[soupkitchen]

78. Think Newt Democrats

[avaistheone1]

96. Ouch!

good one...

[indepat]

24. Clinton, freed-up from his librul base, managed to shutter Glass-Steagall and to pass the Commoditie...

Modernization Act, both geneses to the later financial and housing market meltdowns. Thank God WJC wasn't shackled by/to his librul base so he could then get down to accommodating this long-held conservative and Wall Street agenda, a wet dream for the ages that has nearly destroyed the housing market and financial system. :P

[FedUp_Queer]

82. Au contraire, mon frere...

These things did everything to create and preserve a "financial system" for Wall Street and the corporate fat cats. The way to really destroy the financial system (which is what SHOULD happen) is to get rid of the 11 private banks that control our money supply and the 7 people who belong to no branch of government, are appointed for 14 year terms and whom nobody can fire. For those who don't know...that's the current, Federal Reserve System we have. Sorry to sound Ron Paulish, but on this and the wars, this is that broken clock's two right times in a day.

[Mimosa]

58. Davis and Lieberman are similar. n/t

[MattBaggins]

2. Violence is not an answer but deep inside me

is this nagging desire to kick Lanny Davis in the groin.

[bobbolink]

15. Go with that feeling. Just for me.

:rofl: :hi:

[Hell Hath No Fury]

30. I can only call upon the Gods of Karma --

to visit upon ol' Lanny what is right and proper.

I can only dream that it includes bleeding hemorrhoids.

[DJ13]

34. I can only dream that it includes bleeding hemorrhoids.

In his case wouldnt that actually be a gum disease?

[JanMichael]

62. Thank goodness I was beer free mouthwise or the monitor would have been splattered!

Very funny! Now back to beer that I hope stays in my mouth.

[Ken Burch]

72. Frankly, I don't think Lanny would feel any pain if you kicked him there.

...just sayin'...

[martymar64]

89. And I'd hold him for you while you kicked him

:)

[KoKo]

3. I wonder how many more will join

will join the meme started by Rahm with "Fuckin' Retards," followed by Gibbs recently with his bizarre statement about the "professional left."

[Whisp]

4. Lanny Davis is a schmuck of the lowest order.

weasel material if I ever saw.

[blm]

9. who happens to be one of Bill Clinton's closest pals...and they thought the same in 1994.

It's apparent that the fascist wing of our party has been busy convincing Obama administration that emulating Clinton's path will give him the APPEARANCE of a successful presidency, too.

[EFerrari]

53. Is that still true today?

Oy.

[Alcibiades]

50. Lanny Davis can eat shit and die

He always starts his worst whoppers with "I'm a liberal," and then spews some Nazi pig propaganda. :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[lonestarnot]

66. Second.

[Ken Burch]

74. No fair.

Shit doesn't deserve such a fate.

[no_hypocrisy]

5. That's almost funny . . . .

I'm still waiting to see Obama's slavish ways indebted to "the liberal agenda".

[EFerrari]

6. Ah yes, Lanny Davis, champion of the raping, torturing, murdering Honduran coupsters.

[madfloridian]

38. The comment at the link.

Great one. :D

[PassingFair]

7. Lanny Davis is like herpes. Really.

To be avoided at all costs.

A sore on the democratic party.

[Ken Burch]

75. Not really. From what I've heard, it's possible to ENJOY receiving the herpes virus.

n/t.

[PassingFair]

76. The Clintons enjoyed has ministrations for many years.

And now no amount of Valtrex seems to get rid of him.

[Ken Burch]

93. Ewwwwww!!!!!!!!

n/t.

[girl gone mad]

8. On offense or defense, they only have one play in their playbook:

Always blame liberals.

[laughingliberal]

10. The insulting comments towards liberals from the WH have long had me wondering if they favored...

smaller majorities or even a '94 style Republican takeover. It would facilitate a move further right and allow them to blame the Republicans. I hope that's not the case but bashing on a wing of your party 3 months before an election does not look like brilliant strategy if your goal is to win said election.

[bobbolink]

17. I think you're understanding the plan.

All along, they wanted our votes, then to just get rid of us.

It is becoming more and more clear what the true plan is.

We. Were. Had.

[leveymg]

21. They would most certainly prefer to lead a minority party than to be back-benchers in the majority

I've been saying this since the disastrously bad decisions that started with the appointments of Larry Summers and Tim Geithner to run the economy. The "mistakes", that aren't mistakes, are but part of a coherent center-right economic ideology go back to Day One of this Administration, and progressed through the TARP continuation and TARF Wall Street bailouts in early 2009. What has followed from this Administration, with the hapless cooperation of much of Congress, is a classic Larry Summers IMF-style restructuring plan.

They knew that this was going to sacrifice the middle-class to improve bonds ratings. They knew the American middle-class would throw the Democrats out on their keisters because of it. But, to them, there is no other way than the elite orthodoxy they embody, the preservation of which is ultimately more important to them than even control of Congress and the Presidency.

There will be a place for them in the next Administration, and the one that follows, or in the foundations, international agencies, or global corporations. Many of us, however, will be gone and forgotten by them. To men like Lanny Davis and Larry Summers, the American people are toxic waste.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

29. I think that you are correct --

The liberal/base shitting has been far too vocal and frequent from those in/around the WH to be anything other than part of a larger plan.

[KakistocracyHater]

88. I too agree, & in the future these Other Right will not be seen kindly,

the views of history are stripped of the emotions that fog up people's views, those who are involved, that is. Choosing a known path to failure: deregulating the markets, Reaganism-the total wipe-out of this technique was deftly illustrated a few days ago in several graph charts. Choosing to leave the 1st World standards in education, in healthcare, in retirement benefits, in transportation........

[EFerrari]

43. Lanny Davis is not an actual Democrat.

He assumes the pose to make himself more valuable to the right wing. Plus, he's an obscene scumbag.

That his language sounds like Rahm's, Gibbs' is sad but, they're not really in the same camp unless you only look at the money.

[TBF]

99. I believe they are throwing it -

it will be much easier to push through their regressive policies if they don't have to answer to their base.

[xchrom]

11. in a just world -- bad bad things would happen to lanny davis. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. I see he pulled out the "real Democrats" line.

As in "Real Democrats" toe the party line without question.

[OHdem10]

13. What a joke. Just when has the Liberals held him back.

All legislation has been right of center. Does Davis
want Far Right laws???

[zipplewrath]

14. Don't ya just love this blurb

(Who can forget former party Chairman Howard Dean at one point opposing passage of a healthcare bill unless there was a public option? I favored a public option but always felt only those with health insurance could afford to take Gov. Dean's position; very few of the 33 million uninsured poor and middle-class people would prefer no insurance at all than a bill with guaranteed insurance. And that intransigent demand from the left for a public option, reflected in the House version of the healthcare bill, in my judgment contributed to months of unnecessary delay in passing the bill and effectively explaining it — and selling it — to the American people, who to this day still don't fully understand and appreciate its simple concepts.)

First, he ignores that 25 million of those 33 million STILL won't have health insurance. They'll be "exempt" in one sense or another, because it will be too expensive.

Then, he complains that it was the House version that "delay" it passing, and caused them to have to "sell it". Yeah, those secret deals with Big Pharma, not to mention folks like Nelson, Baccus, and Lieberman had nothing to do with it.

But ya really have to love "appreciate its simple concepts". Yeah, lets see, let's go over the simple concepts.

1) Mandates
2) Cadillac taxes
3) No drug price negotiations
4) No cost savings for the vast majority of Americans
5) Precious little in health CARE costs at all.
6) Still no right to health CARE, just an obligation to buy health insurance regardless of whether you can afford to use it.
7) No guarantee of access at all.
8) Continued restrictions on reproductive health care.


Did I get enough of those "simple concepts"?

[Mimosa]

61. There are a bunch of DUers who agree with Davis on that issue. n/t

[Brickbat]

16. I find this administration more unponderable by the day.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

18. I think that is the plan, actually.

Much easy to get something like changing SS through that way.

And Lanny Davis can suck my dick. What a fucking piece of shit toad he is. :puke:

On edit:

An excerpt from a fax I sent to O back in August after the Gibbs urpage:

"Wow! For months I have been trying to pry the many knives out of my back you so graciously placed there and now I have to deal with the very large, very public dump Robert Gibbs took on me in his interview with The Hill. Since I have not heard that Mr. Gibbs was forced to pull his vehicle over to immediatele issue his resignation I can only conclude that the comments have your full backing.

How special..

I can see only two reasons for Mr. Gibb's actions:

1) You wanted to polish your "moderate/pro-corporate" cred (and fundraising) before the midterms and feel completely comfortable shitting on your base because you are confident they will take it and still show up to vote for the Democrats come November and 2012. After all, where else do they have to go? Right?

2) You want liberals to be discourage and to stay home. Why? I dunno, maybe it's because it is easier to be in the minority -- easier to explain away why you can't get a solid Democratic agenda (that perhaps was unwanted in the first place) through Congress, easier to huff and puff about how bad the GOP is without having to actually accomplish anything futher or, worse, easier to sell out traditional Democratic values in order to get the GOP support you would then need to get anything through.

Which ever the case, it is wildy cynical. Ugly. Unbefitting a Democratic President."

[bbgrunt]

65. good letter.

[prolesunited]

19. Why give him any credence?

He just likes to stir the pot. And he's not a party leader or official. He should go back to meddling in Honduras or helping his pal Lieberman.

[Forkboy]

20. They seem pretty liberated from it already.

[GreenPartyVoter]

47. I have to agree. I haven't felt he was bound up by it all that much.

[bullwinkle428]

23. Shit. This just means were going to start seeing Lanny Davis avatars on DU.

:hide:

[struggle4progress]

25. ... Davis is currently .. lobbying .. for the Latin American Business Council of Honduras (CEAL),

defending the Honduran military .. removal of .. Zelaya .. which Davis .. argued was .. proper ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanny_Davis

[EFerrari]

45. There is no registration required to leave a comment at that site.

:)

[Hell Hath No Fury]

26. "Not only is the activist wing out of line with Democratic tradition..."

Sorry, I had to post again after rereading this urpage.

So, people who work towards civil rights, good government helping people, the environment, and peace are not following modern Democratic tradition.

Wow.

I really don't know what to say to that, Lanny.

So it becomes more and more clear that the new "Democratic" plan is to marginalize anything past center and cater only to the center/center right/non-Bagger conserviatives. In that "Democratic" Party liberals become as irrelvent as liberal/moderate GOPers are in the current Republican Party.

And so the death of the modern Democratic Party continues. :( To bad, it was a great Party.

[truebrit71]

27. TrueBrit71 says Lanny Davis is a bit of a wanker

..no, wait...he's a great big wanker...

Seriously, who gives a shit what this giggling idiot says?

[kentuck]

28. Ironic he should use the word "liberated"..

from the same root word as "liberal"? Does he have any idea what he is talking about?

[one_voice]

31. Fuck. Lanny. Davis. n/t

[treestar]

32. If he's wrong, so what? If he's right, fight for a Democratic Congress.

[madfloridian]

35. We have a majority. We fought hard for it in 2006 and 2008.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

33. I think Lanny needs to liberate his head from his ass.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I really hate that little fucker. :puke:

[glitch]

36. Could explain the hard core DLCers public left-bashing. We suspected there might be an agenda.

Are they afraid of losing Obama's ear? They must think their jobs would be easier without us.
Let's give them something to whine about.

No Retreat, No Excuses: keep the Democratic Majority and add Progressives.

[kenny blankenship]

37. How did a man so vile become so prominent in Democratic Party politics?

Oh right - Clinton.

As vile as this spew from Davis is, and as hateful towards the Democratic base as it is, people who are critical of the elitism of the Obama Administration should refrain from ascribing his sentiments to Obama and his advisers. Even though there are some, what should we call them? sympathetic resonances? between what Davis said and the things that Robert Gibbs and Röhm Emmanuel have said, these vile words do not come from the White House or Obama's inner circle.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. This is going to be the narrative, clearly.

Look, I don't think Obama's been a disaster, I think there have been real accomplishments. I'm supportive and generally pleased if not thrilled.

But I think you'd have to be INSANE to try to argue that he's been captive to a "liberal agenda". The base, by and large, is disappointed if not pissed. There was no public option in HCR, there's been little traction on climate change, the list goes on.

To say "oh, he overreached, went too far to the left, now he needs to go against the base". I mean, it's crazy talk. Like blaming the victim of domestic abuse.

[Ignis]

44. +1

There's a lot to be happy about from the first two years--as well as a lot of missteps and missed opportunities.

But to claim the latter have been the result of a "liberal agenda" is laughable.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. "liberated from"? He sounds like a guy who got "liberated" from his shirt in a poker game.

[MadHound]

42. Feel the love yet?

The only reason that the left is wanted in today's Democratic party is for our votes and our money. They don't want our ideas, and they certainly don't want to reward us for our support. Rather, they continue to expect the left to act like an abused spouse, continuing to come back for more abuse out of some deluded notion that we'll eventually be shown some love, somehow, somewhere.

We would think that such a situation is crazy in a committed relationship or marriage. Why is it any saner when it comes to our relationship with a political party?

[EFerrari]

46. kenny blankenship made a good point above.

Lanny Davis is not in the in crowd. He really is a right wing troll. Fyi.

[MadHound]

48. I recognize that, and if it were only Davis making this kind of attack on the left

I would dismiss it. But it seems as though this is but the latest in a concerted effort launched by the DLC and Democratic leadership to demonize and dismiss the left, all the while calling upon us for our vote and support.

[EFerrari]

49. Well, I don't deny that such a move seems to be afoot. n/t

[JanMichael]

63. Normally in a relationship like that one of three things have to happen:

1. Keep on taking the abuse until you die.

2. Separate and take yourself elsewhere, live another life. Join up with something else.

3. If there are no choices and leaving isn't an option then one has to make the abuser cease to exist.

[Ken Burch]

73. Is Choice #3 what the Dixiie Chicks might call the "Goodbye, Earl!" optiion?

n/t.

[TheKentuckian]

51. No better example of why the "New Democrats" must be eradicated at all costs this side of

Dick Morris.

Failure to weed the garden leads to the plants that bear fruit being chocked out.

Soon the garden will be a plot of weeds and thistle if these trends continue.

Let there be no question that there are forces that are tireless in the destruction of the ideals, values, and principles that are best in our nation. These forces are conservative and/or regressive in nature. They hijack the mantle of FDR and JFK and institute the policies of Ronald Reagan and George W Bush under the guise of "sensibility" and "pragmatism".

The right wing usurpers are the true trolls in our party and they have infiltrated at the very highest levels. They must be fought, defeated, and flushed down the crapper. If they want to control a party then they need to subdue the teabagger extremists.

Listen to the likes of Davis, Morris, and Lincoln. Their words and stances are echoed by like minded ideologues posing as "centrists".

We have failed to tend our garden and been far too adverse to conflict and now it will take hard labor in the blazing sun to one again have our seed bear fruit but we can do it if we stick to our life long values and our vision for a better world to leave behind.

[bvar22]

57. Great Post

100%

"These forces are conservative and/or regressive in nature. They hijack the mantle of FDR and JFK and institute the policies of Ronald Reagan and George W Bush under the guise of "sensibility" and "pragmatism".

:patriot:

[Forkboy]

59. Nice post!

:thumbsup:

[deutsey]

52. Sigh

:banghead:

[spanone]

54. crawl back under your rock, lanny boy

[madfloridian]

55. Remarks like these esp. hurt because no Dems are taking up for liberals.

None will speak up against this stuff.

[Name removed]

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[Canuckistanian]

60. Obama is "liberated from the liberal base" NOW

So apparently, NEW Democrats (Neo-Liberals?) are the "real soul" of the Democratic party?

This guy makes no sense.

[Bette Noir]

64. God, I hate Lanny Davis.

[RainDog]

67. it's such a shame that this nation is so backward this is the best we can do

honestly.

It's really sad to see a democrat talking about liberating a democrat from giving a FUCK about the poorest and neediest in our nation. Women with small children. Kids born into poverty. People with illnesses. People who weren't born on third base pretending they hit a home run.

That's what's so repulsive about these sorts of comments - not that some "liberal base" is offended.

What is SO REPULSIVE is that the United States has two parties who think it's more important to FUCK OVER THE POOR so that the cool kids like the Koch suckers will like them.

That's total moral capitulation.

Maybe it's the Democrats who are trying to depress turn out so that they have an excuse to be the ASS KISSERS for the rich that they really, really want to be.

pffffft.

[DrSteveB]

68. Davis is Joe Lieberman's PAC treasurer

But people here prefer him to the left judging by recommendations.

I am personally unrec'ing.

Wikipedia: "Lanny Davis is the Treasurer for Joe Lieberman's Reuniting Our Country PAC"

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00365262

[RainDog]

69. ah, that explains why he's a moter-freaking piece of shurt

or something to that effect.

[madfloridian]

70. Both of them need to act more respectful toward those of us on the left.

Lieberman and Davis.

In fact all of the Democratic leaders should be a little more considerate in choosing their words toward us. We worked and donated our butts off to get a Democratic majority.

We deserve more respect.

[Zorra]

71. The only place you can meet halfway with republicans is on the road to hell.

And Lanny seems to like the idea.

[Demeter]

77. There's a Fool Born Every Minute

This one must have accounted for an entire year's worth of fools....

[OregonBlue]

79. The guy is a clueless little has been. Why get our panties in a bunch about anything he has to say?

[FedUp_Queer]

80. Triangulation.

I've thought this for a long time and said it many times, too. This sounds like triangulation to me. In other words, this is what the White House wants.

[FedUp_Queer]

81. Will he be liberated from our votes and money, too?

[TheKentuckian]

83. They are trying to depress the vote. I say we spite them and hold them accountable

If we can force them out of their hiding hole excuses we will either have success or expose the lap dogs and ratfuckers.

Its hard having the largest majority in over a generation and fuck around like this. Very difficult to coordinate and it forces the Republicans into such extremes that they are almost completely out of room.

In order to to get any further to the right they'll have to push seriously for theocracy, a monarchy, or slavery right out in the open.

I don't think they can both keep up the act and keep enough fooled to maintain this game.
I grant it is a little counter-intuitive but I think we come out ahead by doing what we can to maintain and enhance control and then going gangster enforcer on their ass.

They want to lose and I'm not inclined too be indulgent with these fuckers. Keep the spotlight on them for all eyes to see.

[LiberalLovinLug]

84. Unfortunately he's right

There is no other explanation.
Its clear by now that they feel they HAVE to do what their Wall Street masters tell them to do. So to carry out their orders while they have the majority and the WH puts them in an uncomfortable position, because to do so spits in the face of not only the "professional left" but all Americans in the middle to lower classes. Reid doesn't like being called a wimp and spineless, who does? (especially if it's true)

I'm sure its also some scheme by Rahm and the DLC that if all goes as planned, the Republicans will gain majorities in the House and Senate, and bring government to a stand still, even more than it is now, it will cause even more economic hardships for voters. Its all about winning the second term for Obama. Their motto will be, restore our majority so that we can actually govern and "right" the ship.

I'm so disillusioned by this administration. From such a high in November of '08 to this era of a Democratic Presidential's staff pissing on its own base that got them there.

[Supersedeas]

85. the two party system insures that the money corrupt will have a voice on both sides

[pmorlan1]

86. Numb Nuts

Way to go Lanny. Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you make such nonsensical statements? You remind me of the crazies during the Clinton impeachment that would say anything to get attention. Sheesh.

[Overseas]

87. Just shows that Lanny Davis is still a disgusting person. //nt

[alarimer]

90. I hate this guy with a passion.

Nearly as much as I hate Rahm or Bush. Assholes the lot of them.

Democrats lose, when they lose, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FUCKING LIBERAL ENOUGH! They lose by catering to fucking Republicans.

They will lose this time because they have no fucking spines and the President is too fucking wishy-washy and WILL NOT STAND UP for the actual Democratic Party platform. THAT is why they will lose, but all we will is the usual horseshit about Democrats losing because they are too liberal.

[hulka38]

91. We're going to have to exorcise the DLC from the Democratic Party

before any fundamental change happens to this sick political system.

[MilesColtrane]

92. He is delusional.

It's the same feeling you get when you see someone on the street corner with their pants around their ankles singing the "The Old Gray Mare, She Ain't What She Used To Be" at the top of their lungs.

Pity and embarrassment for someone so out of touch with reality...

[deacon]

94. What an incredibly stupid thing to say. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

Lanny is funny.... DEMs gonna rule this Nov...whacko GOP got shit for brains

[opihimoimoi]

95. Lanny is funny.... DEMs gonna rule this Nov...whacko GOP got shit for brains

[GreenTea]

97. I've just wanted to punch the shit out of asshole Lanny Davis for many years!

Davis, Rahm Emanuel & Terry McAuliffe - All DLC corporate whores leaching off and selling out the progressive FDR Democratic party - All of them need a good long bitch slapping!

[Raine]

98. Becareful what you wisf for Lanny

you and everyone else will live to regret it. :yoiks: