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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:11 AM
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Still no word from Dick Cheney or his family. I wonder if he is actually dying.
Congestive heart failure sounds pretty terrible. Bill Coffin died from it, but was in a nice Hospice for several weeks. My guess is that Cheney has all of the equipment he needs in his big house in VA to keep him going.

Anyone know of his condition?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:12 AM
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1. I take it you're looking for a reason to have a party. nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:13 AM
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2. I've said before that we won't hear of a transplant until it's over and successful--
or unsuccessful. They don't want us to see him moved to the front of the recipient line.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:21 AM
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8. I'm not sure he would be only because he's a VIP
and even if he were, the chances of getting a compatible organ are very slim. Transplant list patients on LVADs are automatically moved to the top of the list, so he wouldn't be calling any real favors in.

In addition, he's an incredibly poor risk. A transplant team would need him to buy them a whole new hospital to justify the waste of an organ into an obese body with smoker's lungs and clogged major arteries.

Also, one has to wonder just how motivated Cheney is to have his chest sawn open yet again. Remember, it takes many months to recover from it and he's just started that recovery after having the pump put in. It's going to take many months of increased perfusion via pump to build him up enough that he wouldn't die on the table.

He's got 3-5 years to think about it, barring serious complications. If he's still terrified of dying, he can consider either having the pump replaced or having a transplant. Since the former is a sure thing and the latter has little chance of success, he might opt for a new pump.

However, his lungs are shot from smoking and his arteries are clogged from a plutocrat's diet combined with smoking. Chances are he'll get complications before then.

I wouldn't trade places with the man for all his ill gotten money.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:38 AM
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19. Actually, I think his kidneys will ulitmately do him in--they're probably in rough shape after
all the cardiac/vascular history plus the LVAD. I'm going to go with renal failure/refuses or unable to tolerate dialysis as the main decision maker, with respiratory right behind (fluid overload).
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:48 AM
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24. Reperfusion can work miracles with kidneys
that are pooping out only because they've been starved for circulating blood. They self repair pretty quickly.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:36 AM
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18. I doubt a transplant would take
you need good tissue to graft the new heart onto ..... I doubt that his "plumbing"
would hold up. Also he has had 5 heart attacks.

People with his type of pump have to deal w/ a chance of infection, blood clots,
strokes, and or other parts of the heart giving out.

Dick has end stage coronary heart disease and sooner or later he will die from it.

I want him to live to face trial for his actions.



On dick's desk in March 2001.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:14 AM
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3. Why? Has something happened recently?
Even when the guy was VP we rarely heard from him. It was a running joke. Has something happened since mid-August?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:16 AM
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4. No, unless his life is slipping away. We haven't heard from Liz for quite a while.
She used to be a real "chatty Kathy" and would come snarling on all the talk shows, talking her trash...
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:39 AM
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20. if we're lucky she'll donate her heart to him.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 12:04 PM
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27. If they could find one...which I doubt...
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 12:50 PM
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32. but that's the best part -- it's super-tiny, so the whole thing can be done
via "band-aid" surgery.

And she don't use hers, anyways.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:16 AM
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5. Big decisions need to be made...
since it looks like he will be paying a hell of a lot more in taxes if he croaks in 2011.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:18 AM
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6. I hope he clings to life...
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:25 AM
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11. Bwahahahah~~
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 12:13 PM
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29. lol!
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 12:44 PM
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31. As a matter of principle
he would surely want to die before New Years.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:21 AM
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7. When we stopped hearing from them the
thought crossed my mind he jumped to the head of the heart transplant list. If so, they will try to keep that secret.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:22 AM
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9. No one famous or otherwise has to have their death announced
Edited on Wed Sep-08-10 11:22 AM by RB TexLa

he could die and his family would never have to tell anyone.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:26 AM
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12. Public records?
You might want to rethink this.....
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:28 AM
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14. You don't have the right to go through death certificates for about 30 years in most states
unless you have a legitimate financial reason.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:23 AM
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10. That LVAD could keep him alive for a long time
Aside from that he has a built-in pacemaker and defibrillilator. Hell. he could be immortal.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:26 AM
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13. I don't have any inside information and haven't been
able to find anything out in the internet, but my educated guess is that he is in a coma being kept alive on life support and either will have to get a heart transplant, if he is even physically able to or family is going to have to pull the plug.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:29 AM
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15. He's at death's door
I hope he pulls through.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:29 AM
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16. Unicorn blood is in short supply
It's a simple matter of economics on this side.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:34 AM
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17. Had a relative die from it
Edited on Wed Sep-08-10 11:35 AM by ProfessionalLeftist
(congestive heart failure) Not good news.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:43 AM
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21. No, not a good way to die
I loathe Cheney but I'm not sure I'd wish that on him.
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:47 AM
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23. I would not wish it on anyone...
....though I loathe him too.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:43 AM
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22. He lives in his mansion in Southern Maryland on the Chesapeake Bay
remember when he tried to get the state to stop the fishermen from using a cove that they and their ancestors had used for almost 300 years. He said it spoiled his view. Looking at that absolute POS sitting on a veranda or where ever he was would spoil my view if I were the fishermen. Can't get no worst than Cheney.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:53 AM
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25. No, the St. Michaels, Maryland house
is the family's second home, used for vacations. Their main residence is in McLean, Virginia on Chain Bridge Road.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:58 AM
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26. There is no way he can die naturally. It would require a curse or a beheading done for an immortal.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 12:06 PM
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28. I don't know, but starting a gravedance before the hole has
been dug seems inappropriate, somehow. I'm sure there will be a story in the news if he dies. Until then, what's the point?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 12:18 PM
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30. It was just idle speculation. I actually don't like grave dancing. But I do wonder
if he is dying because we haven't seen Liz out there snarling for a while. Surely, this being an election season, she would be if something wasn't up. It's an eerie kind of quiet. That was really the point of my query...after all, they ARE a pretty political family, n'est pas?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 01:19 PM
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37. I don't know. The quieter the Cheney family is, the better I like
it. So, I'm just welcoming the break.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 01:02 PM
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33. I didn't detect any "grave dancing" in the OP
Humans tend to be curious beings. I was wondering about what happened to Cheney this morning.

And another thing the weather changed here(got cool and windy), and now I am wondering if there are any fish left where I go. When it was in the 90's with no wind they were biting like crazy. Now nothing. Tried throwing everything but the tackle box at them and I don't even get a nibble. Ever seen that happen before?

Don

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 01:18 PM
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35. I've been too darned busy to go fishing for about three weeks.
And now the weather's not cooperating.
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colinmom71 Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 01:15 PM
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34. Sorry, but since when should ANY person's medical privacy...
Be considered to be subject to publication? It's a family issue, and I'm sure they will publicize information as is relevant to public interest as related to a former Vice President's health status.

I hope no one takes offense at this, but I'm a huge advocate of medical privacy... Regardless of whom the party might be.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 01:18 PM
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36. Liz Cheney says he's ‘Doing a Lot of Physical Therapy’

http://blog.blogtalkradio.com/politics/dick-cheney-lot-physical-therapy-heart-surgerybut-hoping-fishing/

Dick Cheney: ‘Doing a Lot of Physical Therapy’ After Heart Surgery—but Hoping to Go Fishing Real Soon, Says Daughter Liz

You gotta hand it to Dick Cheney. Less that two months after doctors implanted a pump in his heart to compensate for increasing congestive heart failure, the 69-year-old former vice president—who has had five heart attacks over the past 32 years —is hard at work on his memoirs, while gearing up for some outdoor fun.

So says Dick’s daughter, Liz Cheney, who’s collaborating on her dad’s book, which will help put his legacy within the George W. Bush administration into perspective.

“He’s doing really well. He is back at home here in Virginia and he’s hoping to get back to what we really consider home, which is Wyoming, as soon as he can,” she tells AACONS host Marie Stroughter.

“His left-ventricular assist device is essentially a pump that helps his heart function, helps his heart to pump more effectively. And that’s working wonderfully.

“He’s doing a lot of physical therapy. He was in the hospital for about five weeks. So when you’re in the hospital for that long, it does take time to recover and come back. So that’s what he’s focused on very much now,” Liz, an attorney who held key roles in the State Department under President Bush, continues.

“But he’s doing really well, and back at work on the book. We’re looking forward to having the book come out, and also to having him get back to Wyoming.

“I think what he’d really like to do is get back on a drift boat on the Snake River and do some fishing. Hopefully that’ll come soon.”

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