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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:53 AM
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WikiLeaks founder charged with rape, molestation in Sweden
WikiLeaks founder charged with rape, molestation in Sweden

By the CNN Wire Staff
August 21, 2010 7:27 a.m. EDT

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/08/21/sweden.wikileaks.charge/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

Stockholm, Sweden (CNN) -- The founder and editor of the whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, has been charged in Sweden with rape and molestation, a spokeswoman for the Swedish prosecutor's office told CNN Saturday.

Spokeswoman Karin Rosander said the charges were filed Friday night, but she didn't have further details.

Assange denied the charges in a posting Saturday on the WikiLeaks Twitter page, saying, "The charges are without basis and their issue at this moment is deeply disturbing."
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:56 AM
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1. isn't that the usual way
if you can't kill them, just discredit them. Good luck Julian!
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:40 AM
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5. And if he is guilty - good luck to him anyway I guess?
After all we should support molesters if they agree with our politices
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localroger Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:51 AM
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7. Chances of that are vanishingly small
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 07:51 AM by localroger
Really, the convenience of the timing of this is just beyond mortal belief. As someone said on another board we're about half-way through the first episode of Blake's 7.

Killing Assange would simply trigger the release of the insurance file and validate his claims. This might still trigger the insurance release but it tarnishes the whole enterprise as much as possible.

Details are murky (and translation from Swedish a bit iffy) but it seems there is no formal complaint from any alleged victim and that the prosecutor decided to go ahead and arrest Assange in absentia rather than contacting him and asking less coercively for his side of the story. This reeks of a favor being done through back channels.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:26 AM
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19. THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN DROPPED!
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:37 AM
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20. If so, this would make it look like the charges were made
possibly to frighten off future whistle-blowers in the first place. Wouldn't it?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:56 AM
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30. Or push data into his network and follow the ants
back to the source.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:02 AM
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8. could your glee be more obvious?


aren't you tired of being manipulated yet?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:39 AM
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21. shortlived too.
But i expect they're used to being disappointed.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:06 AM
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18. You would believe this.
Ever get tired of asking "How high?" when people tell you to jump?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:43 AM
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22. Charges withdrawn.
Dumbass.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:55 AM
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25. The taste of your disappointment is like the nectar of the gods.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:07 AM
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26. now don't you feel silly?
when this much is happening with some one as bold as Julian, those kinds of charges are ALWAYS made up. Can't kill 'em? Defame them. Tried and true formula.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:41 PM
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35. Trolls are immune to shame.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:07 AM
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2. Some very powerful sources must want to bring him down.
This is just tooooo timely to be believable for me.

Do they think we are all stupid?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:17 AM
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3. It's not us they need to convince.
But everybody else.

Discredit the messenger, discredit the message.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:43 AM
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6. The Pentagon cares about message control more than anything.
Remember Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:21 AM
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4. oh please
:eyes:
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:06 AM
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9. Well it's worth investigating. I would hate for a rapist to be on the loose.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:32 AM
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10. How about Murderers and War mongers ?
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:45 AM
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11. them too
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 08:47 AM by cbdo2007
round them all up.

You think rapists should be let run free until all the murderers and war mongerers are convicted first?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:01 AM
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12. Yes
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:18 AM
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14. Wow, that's really messed up.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:33 AM
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15. I'm messed up?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:17 AM
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13. Well, Gerald Bull had a harder time..
but taking on the intelligence services of a nation state may be a bad idea. Guess he will be on the move now.

The reality is that there is information that not only the US but others will take extraordinary means to protect. I would much rather have the US trying to find me than say the ISI.

I am sure he has made lots of friends in pakistan's intelligence community and I wonder how far the ISI would go to protect information. I would bet farther than the CIA. I dont think they ever found Gerald.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:39 AM
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16. Gerald Bull
"Bull knew they would be concerned, and briefed Mossad on the nature of the project. He also briefed MI5. But mindful of his experience with the US, he had the pieces of the project done quietly. He also kept much of the project secret from his family, knowing they would not approve.

In return for support for the supergun, Iraq demanded that he help them with the design of a multi-stage missile that they were trying to assemble out of SCUD parts. Bull agreed, and did many of the nosecone calculations.

That is what killed him. Israel had no great reason to care about the supergun, but they had much to fear from Iraqi missiles. Warning signs were left for him. His apartment was broken into several times, but nothing was stolen. A few items were disturbed just to show that someone had been there.

In March of 1990, Bull was killed outside his apartment by five shots to the back of his head. No one heard the shots, and no one was ever caught. "

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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:45 AM
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17. I wonder how much the ISI appreciates Assange's work?
I wonder if they would act in a similar manner?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:53 AM
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24. So falsely accusing somebody of rape like this is a-OK for you? Yes or no? No weaseling please.
And by the way, how did you feel when you saw the charges were dropped?
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:55 AM
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28. Be real friend. Someone already did the CBA on his life and the life of his family.
the actors involved would, without hesitation, place their lives on the table to negotiate with him for return of information based on its value.

If all he has is more names on a snitch list for the taliban they will continue to pester him.

If he had NBC secrets, or design information on something like a satellite system that did not show up on radar and specific capabilities of signal gathering systems or american assets they would kill him, his family, and anyone else who would compromise it.

Its just a factor of money.

He is operating in a space where the penalties are high, like being dosed with thorium or shot in the face. Others like the ISI are far less restricted than the US, and favors can be traded.

He is not a whistleblower. Manning is a criminal and will die in florence adx, federal custody, a destroyed man. It is not about feelings.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 12:04 PM
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31. What part of "no weaseling please" didn't you understand? -nt
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 12:10 PM
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32. I dont really give a shit and without being involved
have no context to see if what he has warrants the methods that may or may not be used. I do think that information can be worth more than a persons life.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:08 PM
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33. "I dont really give a shit"
No, really. That's why you jump in every Wikileaks thread like a horny sailor that's been two years in the sea jumps in a brothel.

Yeah, uh-huh. You really don't give a shit. Not at all. Nosiree.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:30 PM
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34. Dont really give a shit about his "outcome"
without knowing what he has its hard to determine if it is worth the means.

If he has a snitch list and more reports on how the ISI may be playing the field let him dump it and live out his life on the run. If he has names of US assets in other countries or the names of other countries assets his network of conspirators would be worth less than the lives of those people.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:42 PM
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36. I read all your posts picturing Mr. Burns rubbing his hands together in excitement.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:47 PM
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37. It will be interesting to see which side he is playing for..
wikileaks would be a wonderful honeypot. Manning sure got jacked quick. His ass is cooked with logs, all the prosecution has to do is show up and he dies in supermax. Nothing of any real value has come from there.

However he (assange and crew) could be one of those all information should be free kinda guys.

He is not dealing in screeners and cams, thats for sure.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 04:51 PM
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38. As I said....
:rofl:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:47 AM
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23. Not so much. nt
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:13 AM
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27. I wasn't aware that Sweden was America's puppet.
I'm pretty sure the country is mostly independent of our influence. I rather doubt that our country did this.

Also, how do we know he didn't do it? If the accusations are serious, then they should be looked into. Just because he's done something good doesn't mean he didn't do something bad.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:56 AM
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29. CIA bull-crap.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:51 PM
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39. Mission Impossible -like double
He has a very unique look. A good makeup artist could make that happen.

Nice setup.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:56 PM
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40. High likelihood of CIA shenanigans here
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