Wikileaks: "First Major 'Dirty Tricks' Attempt Against Us"

[Hissyspit]

Via Twitter: "Wikileaks: We were warned to expect "dirty tricks". Now we have the first one:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&act=url&u=http://www.expressen.se/Nyheter/1.2104976/wikileaks-grundare-anhallen-for-valdtakt&sl=sv&tl=en

"Wikileaks: Expressen is a tabloid; No one here has been contacted by Swedish police. Needless to say this will prove hugely distracting."

[sabrina 1]

1. Do they really think people are going to fall for this?

If it is the truth that there is a prosecution that is. I don't recognize that site so don't know how reliable it is. But isn't that one of the usual tricks they play when someone just won't shut up?

So sick of it. It's done for the purpose of silencing people. And I for one don't believe a word of it, but I am not surprised.

[ck4829]

3. Unfortunately, there are some suckers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange#Rape_charges

[readmoreoften]

4. Wow, that's principled. All of a sudden--rape accusations!

No information of course. Not even a name or explanation. Just a full on explanation. I wonder how much this little piece of disinformation set the DOD back? Disinformation in Sweden: $12,542. Wonder how that shows up in a line item.

[Karenina]

15. THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN DROPPED!

[sabrina 1]

5. Well, I guess someone repeating it on Wiki makes it true.

Someone suddenly turns into a rapist, someone very smart who knows he is not only being watched, but wanted by the most powerful intelligence agency in the world, is going to rape not one, but TWO women and think no one will hear about it.

Scott Ritter and a few others come to mind. Never any formal charges, just the Rovian allegations that stick.

[Hissyspit]

10. It's been updated. There will probably be an editing war going on.

Rape and assault accusations

An arrest warrant for Julian Assange was issued by Swedish police in the evening of August 20, 2010.<67><68> According to the prosecutor, Assange is sought on suspicion of one count of rape in Enköping and one count of assault in Södermalm, Stockholm.<69> The arrest warrant was issued following reports to the Stockholm police by two acquainted women between 20 and 30 years of age who had met Assange in connection with his mission. According to Expressen's report, the assault had taken place between Saturdaty 14th and Sunday 15th in Stockholm and the rape on Tuesday in Enköping.<70>

In a brief email to the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter Assange said: "Why these accusations have come is at this time an interesting question. I have not been contacted by the police. The claims are false."<71> In an email to another Swedish newspaper, Aftonbladet, Assange writes: "Of course the accusations of rape aren't true".<72> Assange has also denied the accusations on WikiLeaks' official Twitter channel, calling "their issue at this moment deeply disturbing."<73>

[Pavulon]

11. One can not publish US classified information and expect no response.

no matter if he is your god or devil he is still playing a game with people who are far better at it than he is.

So far nothing he has published is of any real value (other than a snitch list for the taliban to work on).

So if he does not show up, interpol will honor the warrant. chess pieces are moving.

[Hissyspit]

12. I don't think anyone expected no response.

Why WikiLeaks must be protected
John Pilger
Published 19 August 2010
New Statesman

There is understandably hysteria on high, with demands that the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, be "hunted down" and "rendered". In Washington, I interviewed a senior official in the defence department and asked: "Can you give a guarantee that the editors of WikiLeaks and the editor-in-chief, who is not American, will not be subjected to the kind of manhunt that we read about in the media?" He replied: "It's not my position to give guarantees on anything."(...)

A Pentagon document states bluntly that US intelligence intends to "fatally marginalise" WikiLeaks. The preferred tactic is smear, with corporate journalists ever ready to play their part.

WikiLeaks Twitter:

We were warned to expect "dirty tricks"

[Pavulon]

13. So he can show up in court, or be chased. Lets see

what he does. Lots of work and trouble to publish a snitch list.

[Hissyspit]

14. Why are you content to parrot Pentagon talking points?

The Pentagon has been shown contradicting themselves about assisting with redaction with WikiLeaks.

Please provide evidence of any specific incident where anyone has been targeted as a snitch.

Please provide evidence that the leaks have been of no use. The documents have changed the conversation. The documents have verified cover-ups of civilian deaths. The documents have revealed truths about specific U.S. and Afghan actions. I think the families of the Reuters journalists in Iraq found value in the posting of the helicopter camera video.

[Pavulon]

22. No one cares, its not news. No longer in the cycle

all they did was list names and piss of pakistan. The video shows armed men and reuters acknowledged their in-bedded journalists were killed.

No crime there.

There is no evidence that they have been a game changer. They are not the pentagon papers.

[Forkboy]

17. Getting that chubby going early today.

[dionysus]

25. .

:rofl:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

19. Charges dropped. Come on, tell me. How disappointed you are? -nt

[Pavulon]

21. Counting coup.

But when you lie down with criminals you tend to get shit on you.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

24. Looking up phrase... OMG! Delusions of grandeur much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_coup

"Counting coup refers to the winning of prestige in battle by the Plains Indians of North America. Warriors won prestige by acts of bravery in the face of the enemy, and these acts could be recorded in various ways and retold as stories. Any blow struck against the enemy counted as a coup, but the most prestigious acts included touching an enemy warrior, with the hand or with a coup stick, then escaping unharmed. Counting coup could also involve stealing from the enemy. Risk of injury or death was required to count coup. Coups were recorded by notches in the coup stick, or by feathers in the headdress of a warrior who was rewarded with them for an act of bravery."

:rofl:

Yeah, you're a veritable Rambo, Chuck Norris, and John Wayne, all rolled into one musclebound Manly Righteous American Warrior of Righteous Righteousness of the Right. Right.

Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.

[Pavulon]

26. Ever wonder why we fly airplanes near other countries like china?

it gets them to light up their radar systems. By pushing shit into his network of people it gets them to light up, the roaches run with their turds and you follow them.

Very logical way to find things out. The oldest and easiest is the Judas approach.

Look up Judas Goat.. Then you can look up honeypot. Than layer7 packet inspection and dark fiber. Then you may have a hard time determining how many cpu's and people it takes to break something like AES256. You can look to see where the people who wrote IOS, and most commercial encryption work or consult.

It is interesting to note that the laws on corporate reporting (SOX) were amended to allow technology companies to misrepresent inventory and sales. So EMC, Hitachi, IBM, Juniper, Verizon and others dont have to disclose how much storage, cpu, and bandwidth they actually sell.

This guy is a babe in the woods.

[sabrina 1]

30. Yeah, but he's a babe with Worldwide support

and we, sadly, are a country that the world no longer trusts. Not to worry, it happens to countries from time to time. When you lie so blatantly and the world knows it, and when you are stupid enough to allow your top secret documents planning to silence someone by 'smearing' them to get into the very hands of the smearee with a very big world audience, I would say that things are not the way they were when everyone respected you and believed everything you said.

It doesn't matter really anyhow, Wikileaks has shown how badly needed a real free press is and I am sure they are only the first of many worldwide agencies that will expose the lies of governments that cannot be exposed in their own countries. Returning power to the people and making governments think twice before lying to their people, you know, for fear of exposure. Since we don't hold anyone accountable for deadly lies, someone has to.

Try giving credit where it's due, it's always better never to underestimate 'the enemy'. As apparently happened in this case. And they underestimated how much moral authority the US/CIA has lost around the world. Very bad strategy I would say.

[Pavulon]

37. They gave a 22 year old jackass to much network access

and he stole. He then used that to try to get creds in a community. Its not top secret its common sense. They will take steps varying from surveillance to actively passing information to others who will kill him, his family, or his friends to prevent data from leaking.

The ISI does not operate like the CIA and dumping documents on them would make me fear for the safety of my parents and kids if I were him.

No one ever respected us, its not about popularity or credibility. This game was played in Berlin before this moron was ever born by far smarter people.

Funny thing is none of what he did actually made any difference. Well not to the US, maybe to the names he published.

[sabrina 1]

39. Oh stop with the names he published. The U.S. were asked

to review those docs and remove anything that might endanger anyone. They refused, they are responsible for any harm coming to anyone. Their refusal was irresponsible if they knew that people would be harmed. Wikileaks had every right to assume their refusal meant that no one would be harmed.

[Pavulon]

41. Umm no, they refused to deal with people engaged in a criminal act

you steal from my house and expect me to help you assess the value of my shit so you can pawn it?

Manning and the wilifolks are responsible for any death resulting from publishing a list of names. They published it they own it, they are playing in a space with no friends and no power.

There is literally nothing stopping them from being watched, gathered, and disposed of quietly other than the trouble to do that is not demanded by the low value of what manning stole.

[sabrina 1]

42. Fortunately your convoluted thought processes

belong to a very, tiny, segment of the world population. Do you realize how often you contradict yourself, sometimes in the same paragraph?

There will be more Wikileaks. The people of the world are tired of lying governments and brutality and corruption. So as they say, get used to it.

If they had nothing to hide, they would not be worried about Wikileaks at all. You, otoh, claim he has done great harm, then on the other hand, claim that what he published is of such low value it isn't worth this Government murdering innocents over. You're a funny guy, in a dark humor kind of way. A sort of stereotype of what the world now thinks of America. I hope we will be able to change that image, as it is a threat to our national security to be so unpopular around the globe.

I think you watch too many 'action' movies for your own good. The U.S. doesn't torture, or kill innocent civilians. Didn't you know that?

[Pavulon]

45. Read history, we have been very nice post church.

back on the old days people like Diem and others were directly killed by the CIA. Killing heads of states is frowned on now, killing others well it depends.

You are treating wilileaks like some social movement. One 22 year old guy dumped all that information. Now he has no shoe laces, guess his convictions weren't that strong. They dont have a cadre of people dumping national secrets.

The ACT of stealing classified information is a crime. If done outside the US it is a military matter and constitutional protection is not afforded to foreign nationals. The people involved in that theft would not be innocent, but part of a criminal conspiracy. The CIA has and will continue to use varying methods to protect US interests. Securing classified information is in the interest of the US and other western democracies.

So "innocent" is not the word you want. Once you play in this space you are no longer an innocent.

you act like this is some new thing or the us is the only player in this space. They (and the government wherever you hang your hat) have plenty to hide and some of it is worth peoples lives to keep hidden.

[sabrina 1]

32. I remember one that flew a bit too close to China ending up

being captured and despite demands for Bush the lesser, they kept the plane until they learned all they wanted to know about it. So who were the roaches and turds in that instance? I guess it depends on whether you are Chinese or not?

Hubris, pride goeth before a fall. I am glad you are not running things, as you don't have the necessary temperament, the cool ability to think before acting, to respect the enemy,m or any ability to judge situations that have changed and are changing daily in the world.

But it's fun reading your take on things. It make me think we probably do have a few impulsive, irrational, Rambo types running things which would explain the many failures we have experienced, such as making it easy for the Chinese to capture one of our planes and then give the U.S. the finger.

[Pavulon]

38. Their guy flew into the plane and died and the US taxpayer

paid billions to replace all they systems compromised. Good for Raytheon and General Dynamics along with a few others who developed the replacement systems. I'm pretty sure there is an aircraft carrier around those parts now.

The same reason a guy in San Fran did not get NSA telecom designs into open court because he did not get a promotion, everything is not public domain. If he did, money would just be spent to replace the systems design.

As you typed this someone in pakistan's (yemen, wherever) face was identified by a drone and a they became a statistic.

Assange stepped into a space where we kill people, their families and friends as do others. The fact he is not in the US makes him a military target. He has no protection at all.

[sabrina 1]

40. 'Where we kill people, their families and their friends'.

All of which violates our own domestic laws and International law. Something the U.S. had denied, apparently not as proud of killing innocent people as you appear to be.

Thanks for confirming that the U.S. end up paying for the incompetence of those you earlier claimed were the best in the world or something like that.

And your statement is exactly why the world needs many more Wikileaks. You have just claimed that the U.S. is a rogue state, arbitrarily killing innocent people, something the government itself denies.

I find your attitude to be despicable and I sincerely hope it is not reflective of what this country, which once held such ideals, has become.

[Pavulon]

43. The US has clearly stated its policy on killing taliban

in pakistan and wherever they are found. They are legitimate targets, and if they choose to hide behind the skirts of women and children while killing americans they are responsible for their death.

Arbitrary assumes without cause, taliban people are dead for a reason. They are not innocent.

Of course you assume wikileaks in not a honeypot and we are not flushing shit through it to find roaches like manning on the front end and actors using the information. Who knows..

I can tell you, with out a doubt, that if he stole information valuable enough someone would kill him or whomever to prevent it from becoming public. His life (and those lives used as leverage) are worth less than the operatives we have in dangerous places.

I would be disappointed if the US allowed its assets to be killed by not recursively removing people capable of killing them by releasing their names.

So he is trading in lives, if he has information on multibillion dollar systems it becomes a bit more difficult. Is killing him and 10 of his friend worth 15 billion dollars of signal intelligence or nuclear weapon design.

Someone has a slide rule to figure that one out.

[sabrina 1]

46. Political assassination is against the laws of this country and

against International law. We do not belong in other people's countries so everything we do there is illegal.

Other empires, some pretty powerful ones, learned the hard way the downfall, as our Founding Fathers pointed out, of getting engaged in foreign advetures. All empires fall.

[Pavulon]

48. Gerald Bull is still quite dead.

and whomever we snatched out of italy in a car trunk is still gone. Dont hold you breath if you are just waiting for the evil empire to collapse.

Hey you ever have a subcontractor do work or trade one set of skills for another? Hmm I wonder if intelligence agencies do that? So if they do it in their country for us on a handshake is that illegal?

The fact his is running around and his friends and family are not just gone indicates the value of what he has is not worth the effort.

[sabrina 1]

49. No, I'm not waiting for the fall of an empire, I am waiting for

justice. I believe in it, our system, our ideals, don't you?

South America waited a long time for justice, now when people thought those who so blatantly broke international laws were free of the fear of prosecution, their time has finally come. It took decades but people have a way of never forgetting grave injustices and sometimes the bad guys are made to pay. Same thing with Liberia. A seemingly, at one time, untouchable guy who believed as you do, that killing people is all part of the 'game', is now on trial at The Hague. He's lucky, he'll probably be treated a lot better than he treated his victims. But many of them are just happy to see that sometimes justice does prevail.

As to your question re subcontractors, don't you know the law on this? In fact the person or entity who does the hiring is always held more responsible than the petty criminals who carry out the crimes. There is sound reasoning for that. And petty criminals have a habit of talking once caught, they're not known for their 'integrity' or 'loyalty'.

Iow, don't commit the crime if you don't want to do the time. Our war criminals won't be prosecuted here, not for a long time anyhow. But that doesn't mean never. And already in some other countries, some of them are being brought up on charges. If we won't do the job ourselves, other nations will have to hold us accountable.

[Pavulon]

51. Is that the one who died of heart failure while waiting on a verdict?

yeap, thought so. If a country decides to eliminate a problem that has no impact on us. There is no court trying any us citizen who lives in the us. No one elected to office in the us will ever face a trial in a foreign country ever. sorry, deal.

[sabrina 1]

52. True, they will not have the guts to face a trial, like Henry

Kissenger, they will hide out for the rest of their lives, afraid of being apprehended when they travel. He will go down in history as one of the bad guys, no matter how scared he is to face trial.

But now, you are wrong, Taylor is alive and not so tough anymore now that he has to face to justice for his crimes.

Bullies who order the killings of other human beings, people like Cheney, born cowards themselves, will be harbored here but there are courts who have jurisdiction over the crimes that were committed and at least one of them is working on the prosecution of a few of them, in absentia probably since the cowards would never have the courage some of their victims had, to even attempt to defend themselves. But they too will go down in history as the evil people they are. It's happened before, history will judge them and there is not a thing they can do about that.

[EstimatedProphet]

27. .

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroicSociopath

[sabrina 1]

29. Have you read the documents? Or even some of them?

You are incredibly wrong that they are 'of no real value' so I assume you have not.

As for expecting a response, you apparently did not read Wikileaks released CIA documents planning on silencing him. They concluded that the best way to do so was to 'smear' him. So, I doubt he is surprised at all.

Fortunately for him, they are NOT 'better at it than he is'. They made the mistake of filing charges in a country where doing so, if they are false, is subject to prosecution in itself. They should have done it here, we don't care about such things, and the charges would NOT have dropped regardless of how false they might be.

I'm sure you know by now that the charges have been dropped???

This happened because he was in Sweden signing an agreement with the Pirate Party for their cooperation in hosting Wikileaks. This has probably done more harm to the CIA than if they simply done nothing. Particularly since the very respected John Pilger recently wrote an article reminding people of the CIA's threat to smear Wikileaks. People in Europe have a far better press than we do. This will destroy the credibility of the CIA there.

Still think they are 'better at it than he is'?

[Pavulon]

36. Yep I have slogged through some of it.

There is NOTHING that constitutes a war crime so far. Nothing that I had not heard, but it does give a personal tone to the war because you are reading someone's first hand notes. The CIA grabbed people out of italy stuffed them in a trunk and flew them out of the country. No one was arrested. The cia did not file a charge, some person did.

The CIA has no credibility anyway, they lie for a living. I still think every phone, computer, and person he speaks to is being surveilled.

Bottom line he posted a snitch list, thats it. He would be negotiating for the safety of himself and his family and friends if there was valuable data there. They already know what manning stole so they know what he will post next. Manning will die in federal custody an old broken man.

Who hosts it is irrelevant, if it was warranted the sites could be taken offline via multiple methods from traffic shaping to physical destruction.

[Odin2005]

28. Of course people will fall for this.

They wouldn't pull this shit otherwise.

[spanone]

34. it went viral across the world and not everyone will get the truth in the end....

mission accomplished

[drm604]

2. Pathetic.

This is how they go after him? Desperate and pathetic.

[formercia]

6. Standard Operating Procedure

They do it because it works.

I had something similar done to me.

[xchrom]

7. Recommend

[LAGC]

8. Dirty.

It wouldn't surprise me if some Pentagon operative paid a couple of prostitutes to make some false "rape" claims...

Great way to destroy an enemy's reputation.

Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. It works for Microsoft!

[MrObama]

9. My guess is that this is a CIA operation

Maybe both women has received money from CIA?



B-)

[ProfessionalLeftist]

16. Certainly explains a lot re: the media and gov't psy-ops

Not that ever doubted it. This is just confirmation.

[Mudoria]

18. Wonder if one his associates planted the info..

Kept attention on him and the PR was priceless.

[Hissyspit]

20. Sweden Withdraws Arrest Warrant for WikiLeaks Founder

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4512923

[laughingliberal]

23. K & R nt

[Forkboy]

31. A lot of saps are eager to buy right into it.

All of us get manipulated daily in one form or another, but I swear, some dolts seek it out.

[sabrina 1]

35. True that ~

This time it didn't work, though, but they won't stop. Wikileaks needs to launch a huge campaign warning the world to expect this on a regular basis.

They need to hire people who can think like Rove so they will be prepared in advance for everything that will be coming their way.

[Rex]

33. Well they are up against the Dirtiest Player in the world.

Expect a full force press soon, this was just a warm up. Somehow, someway, the CIA will end up with his ass in Syria.

[Occulus]

44. Perhaps, but their first tactic was downright amateurish

I and many, many others said NUH-uh to that. As the charges have now been withdrawn, they have to wait before they make another move. An "accident" for any of the Big Players at Wikileaks is, for the moment, totally out of the question. I suppose the DoD could arrest/kidnap someone, but that would trigger the insurance.

The DoD must have good reason to believe that whatever is contained in the insurance is pretty revealing; I think that's an understatement. I 'm almost certain the time will come when we get to know just what's in that file. Those of us who have not downloaded the file should do so now as punishment for the actions of the DoD. They just lost some credibility by trying (and failing) to very smarmily damage someone else's, and deserve a just response.

[Pavulon]

47. Yep, be sure to download it to your personal computer or at work..

so your employer or ISP will have to disclose your name when someone shows up with a national security letter. Theres a 50 / 50 chance its a honey pot and they are flushing shit through to follow the roaches.

They know what manning stole.

[Divine Discontent]

50. I laughed when I saw the ridiculously vile accusation. SURRREEEE he did that!