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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 10:04 PM
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Why the Corrupt Few Wreak So Much Death, Destruction, and Suffering on the Rest of us
Perhaps the most important question of our time why, throughout human history, have despicable characters repeatedly risen to the pinnacles of power. The 20th Century alone witnessed an estimated 140 million war deaths and another 16 million from genocide. Mass starvation kills millions in an era when there is plenty enough food to feed the world. And not coincidentally, in the world today 40% of the world’s wealth is held in the hands of 1% of its inhabitants, while the bottom 50% owns only 1% of the world’s wealth. That means that the top 1% owns 40 times more than half the world’s population. There are of course numerous reasons for this sorry state of affairs. But certainly the tremendous wealth and power disparity in the world, along with the abuse of that power by so many who have the most of it explains a great deal. Why have so many despicable characters throughout history acquired the ability to inflict so much suffering on the rest of humanity?

I have read two books in particular that provide much insight into this issue: “The Authoritarians” by Bob Altemeyer (This link is to a free electronic version of Altemeyer’s whole book); and, “Political Ponerology – A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes” by Andrew M. Lobaczewski. Both books talk about much the same process, but Altemeyer approaches it from the individual psychological perspective, whereas Lobaczewski approaches it more from the societal level. Both books were recommended to me by fellow DUer Larry Ogg.

Bob Altemeyer is a retired psychology professor who spent most of his life researching authoritarianism. Lobaczewski was a Polish psychiatrist and one of several scientists who took part in the research and the writing of “Political Ponerology”. But he was the only one left alive by the time it was completed. Lobaczewski and his fellow scientists were victims of one of the most evil repressive regimes of world history – Joseph Stalin’s Soviet Union. Lobaczewski describes the history of the manuscript for the book:

The original manuscript of this book went into the furnace minutes before a secret police raid in Communist Poland. The second copy, painfully reassembled by scientists working under impossible conditions of violence and repression, was sent via courier to the Vatican. Its receipt was never acknowledged – the manuscript and all valuable data lost. In 1984, the third and final copy was written from memory by the last survivor of the original researchers: Andrew Lobaczewski.…After half a century of suppression, this book is finally available.

Altemeyer describes in great detail what he refers to as authoritarian followers and authoritarian leaders. Both are required in order to produce what Lobaczewski refers to as a pathocracy, which he defines as a social movement, society, nation, or empire wherein a small pathological minority takes control over a society of normal people. The pathological minority habitually perpetrates evil deeds on its people and/or other people. In other words, the pathological minority rules society with an iron fist, in their interests alone – and to hell with everyone else: Wars for profit, with massive casualties; millions of refugees; massive destruction of infrastructure; torture; you name it… No price is too high to pay to attain and maintain their own wealth and power. Some people refer to such as system as tyranny. But I think that pathocracy is a more descriptive term.


Authoritarian leaders

Altemeyer’s explanation – The psychopathology of authoritarian leaders
In contemplating the success of the dark forces who create and rule over pathocracies, it behooves us to understand their nature. Altemeyer refers to them alternately as “authoritarian leaders” or “social dominators”. He describes them like this:

High scorers (on the test that measures the traits of authoritarian leaders) are inclined to be intimidating, ruthless, and vengeful. They scorn such noble acts as helping others, and being kind, charitable, and forgiving. Instead they would rather be feared than loved, and be viewed as mean, pitiless, and vengeful. They love power, including the power to hurt in their drive to the top…. Social dominators thus admit, anonymously, to striving to manipulate others, and to being dishonest, two-faced, treacherous, and amoral. It’s as if someone took the Scout Law (“A scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, ...”) and turned it completely upside down…

This description is in fact almost identical to what psychologists refer to as the psychopathic personality. These people have two big advantages over the rest of us. First, they have no inclination to be bound by the rules that the rest of us are bound by. And secondly, they have their authoritarian followers (more about them later) to give them lots of aid and support.

Altemeyer gives an example from U.S. politics of how these authoritarian leaders relate to the rest of the world:

A stunning, and widely overlooked example of the arrogance that followed (9/11/01) streaked across the sky in 2002 when the (Bush) administration refused to sign onto the International Criminal Court. This court was established by over a hundred nations, including virtually all of the United States’ allies, to prosecute individuals for genocide, crimes against humanity, and so on when the country for whom they acted would not or could not do the prosecuting itself. It is a “court of last resort” in the human race’s defense against brutality. Why on earth would the United States, as one of the conveners of the Nuremberg Trials and conceivers of the charge, “crimes against humanity,” want nothing to do with this agreement? The motivation did not become clear until later. But not only did America refuse to ratify the treaty, in 2002 Congress passed an act that allowed the United States to punish nations that did join in the international effort to prosecute the worst crimes anyone could commit! Talk about throwing your weight around, and in a way that insulted almost every friend you had on the planet.

Lobaczewski’s explanation
In the preface to Lobaczewski’s book, Laura Knight-Jadczyk explains why we find so many psychopaths in our political system:

In the past several years, there are many more psychologists and psychiatrists and other mental health workers beginning to look at these issues in new ways in response to the questions about the state of our world and the possibility that there is some essential difference between such individuals as George W. Bush and many so-called Neocons, and the rest of us…

We also began to realize that the profiles that emerged also describe rather accurately many individuals who seek positions of power in fields of authority, most particularly politics and commerce. That’s really not so surprising an idea, but it honestly hadn’t occurred to us until we saw the patterns and recognized them in the behaviors of numerous historical figures and, lately, including George W. Bush and members of his administration… Politics, by its very nature, would tend to attract more of the pathological “dominator types” than other fields. That is only logical, and we began to realize that it was not only logical, it was horrifyingly accurate; horrifying because pathology among people in power can have disastrous effects on all of the people under the control of such pathological individuals.

Lobaczewski notes that most psychopaths don’t have much general intelligence or even any particular skills of a productive nature. But the ones who pose great danger to society are quite good at manipulating people and political infighting. Lobaczewski explains:

Once the process of poneric (evil) transformation (to a pathocracy) … has begun and advanced sufficiently, they perceive this fact with almost infallible sensitivity: a circle has been created wherein they can hide their failings and psychological differentness, find a world where they are in power and all those other, “normal people”, are forced into servitude.

A description by Barry Lynn from an economic perspective
Barry Lynn doesn’t talk about psychology or use any psychological terminology. His book, “Cornered – The New Monopoly Capitalism and the Economics of Destruction”, is all about economics. It describes how people whom Altemeyer would refer to as Authoritarian Leaders, Lobaczewski would describe as evil, and others would merely call psychopaths or sociopaths have convinced most Americans into accepting an economic system that benefits only the rich, at the expense of everyone else. They call this system the “Free Market”, and its detractors often refer to it as “Free Market Fundamentalism”. But far from being free, it is a system based on “freedom” of corporations to form monopolies, and it is a system created mainly to benefit those who created it. Lynn explains:

In the last generation, we have been taught to believe in a philosophy of what is sometimes called “free-market fundamentalism”… This philosophy is designed not to illuminate real-world phenomena but to hide the real-world use by the rich of such man-made institutions as the corporation and the marketplace – and sometimes even our own government – to seize our properties and our liberties… My goal is to reconnect us with our traditional understanding of how markets operate and what purposes they serve, to thereby restore our ability to use markets to help protect our most important interests.


Human gullibility and sycophancy – The authoritarian followers

Altemeyer’s explanation – The gullibility of authoritarian followers
Gullibility is one of the trademarks of the authoritarian followers, who provide crucial support for their authoritarian leaders. Altemeyer defines authoritarian followers as having three core characteristics: 1) high degree of submission to authority; 2) willingness to attack other people in the name of the authority; and 3) highly conventional attitudes

Altemeyer discusses the submission to authority, lack of independent thinking and need for approval that characterizes the authoritarian followers:

Authoritarian followers seem to have a “Daddy and mommy know best” attitude toward the government. They do not see laws as social standards that apply to all. Instead, they appear to think that authorities are above the law, and can decide which laws apply to them and which do not – just as parents can when one is young…

If you ask subjects to rank the importance of various values in life, authoritarian followers place “being normal” substantially higher than most people do. It’s almost as though they want to disappear as individuals into the vast vat of Ordinaries.

Though they habitually use the rhetoric of righteousness, they tend to be full of hatred, and their behavior quickly turns ugly when they are under stress. Altemeyer explains:

They get off smiting the sinner; they relish being “the arm of the Lord.”… which suggests authoritarian followers have a little volcano of hostility bubbling away inside them looking for a (safe, approved) way to erupt….

They usually avoid anything approaching a fair fight. Instead they aggress when they believe right and might are on their side. “Right” for them means, more than anything else, that their hostility is (in their minds) endorsed by established authority, or supports such authority. “Might” means they have a huge physical advantage over their target, in weaponry say, or in numbers, as in a lynch mob. It’s striking how often authoritarian aggression happens in dark and cowardly ways, in the dark, by cowards who later will do everything they possibly can to avoid responsibility for what they did. Women, children, and others unable to defend themselves are typical victims. Even more striking, the attackers typically feel morally superior to the people they are assaulting in an unfair fight…

Our world and our country are full of these kinds of people. They are the kinds of people who followed, admired and supported Hitler. They are very gullible and easily manipulated by authoritarian leaders. They form the hard core base of support for people like George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and all of FOX News.

Lobaczewki’s explanation – the role of sycophancy
It is more than just gullibility that explains the phenomenon of the authoritarian follower. Can you imagine John Yoo, Alberto Gonzales, or David Petraeus going against the will of George W. Bush on any matter when he was in power? That would be highly unlikely because their positions of high power depended entirely on putting all their energy into anticipating the needs of and pleasing their “leader”. George Bush started out the same way. As governor of Texas, all his efforts went into pleasing his corporate cronies. In return, they rewarded him handsomely by ensuring his material wealth and serving as a power base for his climb to the presidency. Lobaczewski describes the process as one of sycophancy:

They initially perform subordinate functions in such a movement and execute the leaders’ orders, especially whenever something needs to be done which inspires revulsion in others. Their evident zealotry and cynicism gives rise to criticism on the part of the more reasonable members, but it also earns the respect of some its more extreme revolutionaries. They thus find protection among those people who earlier played a role in the movement’s ponerization, and repay the favor with compliments or by making things easier for them. Thus they climb up the organizational ladder, gain influence, and almost involuntarily bend the contents of the entire group to their own way of experiencing reality and to the goals derived from their deviant nature.

Carl Boggs’ perspective – The myth of American Exceptionalism
Carl Boggs discusses in his book, “The Crimes of Empire – Rogue Superpower and World Domination”, how American elites have so inculcated the doctrine of American Exceptionalism in the minds of the good majority of Americans that few have the intellectual or moral capacity to resist it:

Whatever occurs under the aegis of Washington decision-making is, by definition, noble, beyond the reach of ethical or legal condemnation. Mistakes are made, but the ends themselves simply cannot be questioned. Some opinion-makers insist that the U.S. represents an entirely new kind of empire, more benign and less exploitative than previous empires. It follows that the actions of a benevolent empire demand more flexible criteria for judgment… Those standing in the way of U.S. power often find themselves depicted as impediments to human progress, as enemies of democracy and Western civilization, perhaps even as the reincarnation of Hitler and the Nazis.

It is symptomatic of this state of mind that Barack Obama, in touting his opposition to the Iraq War while trying to secure the Democratic presidential nomination, repeatedly emphasized that he was not opposed to all wars, but only to stupid wars. He never once claimed opposition to immoral wars – presumably on the assumption that it was unimaginable that his country would ever engage in an immoral war. My point here is that some degree of the authoritarian follower mindset occupies the minds of the good majority of Americans – and probably the good majority of all people.


The role of ideology and human susceptibility to its promises

Lobaczewski writes a lot about the role of ideology for individuals or groups in the ponerogenic process that leads to pathocracies. The ideology itself is usually not inherently evil (although it may be, as in the case of Nazism), and the ideology does not generally characterize the movement or group. Rather, the ideology serves as a mask, to hide the actual intentions of the group. Lobaczewski explains it like this:

It is a common phenomenon for a ponerogenic association or group to contain a particular ideology which always justifies its activities and furnishes motivational propaganda…. Human nature demands that vile matters be haloed by an over-compensatory mystique in order to silence one’s conscience and to deceive consciousness and critical faculties, whether one’s own or those of others.

If such a ponerogenic union could be stripped of its ideology, nothing would remain except psychological and moral pathology, naked and unattractive. Such stripping would of course provoke “moral outrage”, and not only among the members of the union.

The fact is, even normal people, who condemn this kind of union along with its ideologies, feel hurt and deprived of something constituting part of their own romanticism, their way of perceiving reality, when a widely idealized group is exposed as little more than a gang of criminals.

A perfect example of this explanation, in my opinion, is the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. If George Bush and Dick Cheney had told the American public, in their run-up to war, that it was necessary to invade and occupy Iraq in order to open up tens of billions of dollars worth of economic opportunity for their corporate cronies and to gain access to Iraqi oil, the American people and even their corporate news media would have been hard pressed to drum up much enthusiasm for war. Instead, we were provided with (especially after the “weapons of mass destruction” excuse was proven to be a lie) the ideology of democracy (We’re doing it to bring democracy to the Iraqi people) and anti-terrorism (We have to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here.)

The last paragraph of Lobaczewski’s that I cite above explains why so many normal Americans are willing to accept the lame excuses of psychopaths hiding behind a wall of ideology. Acknowledging that our leaders are no more than criminal thugs and psychopaths is just too painful for most Americans. It is much more comfortable for them to believe that their country goes to war for idealistic and generous purposes.

Let’s now consider how four different ideologies, none of which are inherently evil, have been corrupted for political purposes:

Americanism
One could make a good argument that the U.S. Declaration of Independence, which after all provided the full justification for our country becoming a sovereign nation, contains the true, uncorrupted version of Americanism. There are two salient ideas expressed in that document, which also happen to be the epitome of liberal/progressive values: 1) That everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and 2) Whenever a government becomes destructive of those rights, the people have the right overthrow that government.

For right wing ideologues, “Americanism” has become the ideology that says that the United States of America is so superior to all other nations that any action it takes with respect to other nations should automatically and unquestionably be considered morally right. For an American citizen to think or act otherwise is to border on treason.

“Americanism” in that form has been used to declare wars against nations that pose no threat to us and to overthrow numerous democratically elected governments that likewise posed no threat to us.

Consider this speech:

As long as whole regions of the world simmer in resentment and tyranny – prone to ideologies that feed hatred and excuse murder – violence will gather… and raise a mortal threat.

There is only one force of history that can break the reign of hatred and resentment, and expose the pretensions of tyrants, and reward the hopes of the decent and tolerant, and that is the force of human freedom.

We are led, by events and common sense, to one conclusion: The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends upon the survival of liberty in other lands. The best hope for freedom in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.

That speech invokes the best of the American dream and ideals. There was just one problem with it. It was spoken by George W. Bush as a means of justifying an action (the invasion and occupation of Iraq) that had nothing whatsoever to do with the wonderful sentiments expressed in his speech. He was merely using a great ideology as a mask to hide his true motives.

Christianity
Christianity contains some core values that any liberal/progressive could be proud to live by. Jesus Christ preached that we should love our neighbors, treat others as we would like to be treated ourselves, and be charitable towards the poor. In short, he embodied the best of liberal values. Accordingly, Christian groups have done some great things over the centuries, including playing a leading role in the abolition of slavery in the United States.

But Christianity has also often been used to justify evil actions, including wars of aggression and torture of “non-believers” with the aim of getting them to convert to Christianity. Some, even today, still use Christianity to justify slavery, as http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25634">Patrick Buchanan did in his attempt to put his criticisms of Barack Obama in the best light:

The Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these: First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Capitalism
Capitalism carries the potential, by means of providing incentives for productivity, to act as an engine of economic growth that provides tremendous benefits to a society. Forget for a moment that there is no such thing as pure capitalism, or that society works best economically when it uses some combination of capitalism and socialism. My only point here is that (I believe) capitalism has the capacity to provide benefits to people when used as one component of an economic system, with sufficient controls.

Yet, capitalism is used as justification for all manner of policies that hurt people, such as George W. Bush’s veto of health insurance for children. Bush (as well as the whole U.S. Republican Party) liked to characterize his view of capitalism as “free market”, and as such he uses that ideology to push for international agreements that primarily benefit his corporate friends.

But in fact, there is nothing “free market” about the Bush administration brand of capitalism, if indeed it can be categorized as capitalism at all. Rather, their favored economic system was one in which their corporate cronies were given billions of dollars in no-bid contracts to perform functions for which they had little expertise, with little or no oversight from government. The result was billions of dollars of missing money, with no investigations to determine where the money went. That’s a mighty strange brand of capitalism.

James Petras, in “Rulers and Ruled”, describes how so-called “capitalism” has worked out in recent years in so many countries:

Given the enormous class and income disparities in Russia, Latin America and China, it is more accurate to describe these countries as “surging billionaires” rather than “emerging markets” because it is not the “free market” but the political power of the billionaires that dictates policy

Countries of “surging billionaires” produce burgeoning poverty, submerging living standards. The making of billionaires means the unmaking of civil society – the weakening of social solidarity, protective social legislation, pensions, vacations, public health programs and education…

The growth of billionaires is hardly a sign of “general prosperity” resulting from the “free market”… In fact it is the product of the illicit seizure of lucrative public resources, built up by the work and struggle of millions of workers… It has little to do with entrepreneurial skills.

Communism
Communism has been defined as “a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production.” Its initial popularity can be attributed to its promise to greatly reduce economic inequality in societies that were previously characterized by huge levels of economic inequality. That is a worthwhile goal IMO.

My own view is that the best economic system is one that uses a combination of free market incentives to increase productivity, combined with government provision of essential goods and services that don’t respond to free market incentives (such as the running of our elections), progressive taxation, and regulation to ensure such things as worker and environmental protection and the prevention of monopolistic practices. Whether or not pure Communism is capable of providing a viable and productive economic system is a question I can’t answer and is not highly relevant to this discussion.

The Russian Revolution of October 1917 brought Communism to Russia, which it maintained for more than 70 years. However, soon after its introduction it began to be seriously corrupted, to the point where by some time in the 1920s it is probably accurate to say that it wasn’t Communism at all. By that time an empire had evolved (called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) into a solidified Totalitarian system, and a small elite ruled over everyone else with an iron fist and had control over all of the country’s resources. Under the iron rule of Joseph Stalin, economic plans were put in place that resulted in the deaths by starvation of about seven million people. This was not a classless society, nor was it stateless, nor was it based on common ownership of the means of production. Yet the myth of a Communist state prevailed in the USSR until it broke up in 1991.


Pathocracies in perspective – what Americans need to understand

Lobaczewski makes the point that pathocracies cannot be permanent because they contain so many internal contradictions. But we should not take much satisfaction in the inevitable fall of pathocracies, since they so frequently do such tremendous harm before they fall. It would be far better if we could learn to prevent their rise or to counteract them before they do too much harm.

One of the many great insights of the founders of our country is that they anticipated the rise of pathocracy in the nation that they founded. They therefore wrote into its Constitution numerous plans for the balancing of power and for the peaceful removal from office of chief executives or others who proved to put their own needs and desires above those of our nation. It was a great idea. But it can only work to the extent that the American people have the courage to at least open their eyes to the dangers of unscrupulous rulers.

There are many today who would say that the United States of America is fast becoming a pathocracy, or has already become one. It exhibits many of the signs:

It has by far the highest incarceration rate in the world, and that rate is largely racially determined; its annual military expenditures are more than eight times greater than any other nation in the world, and almost as much as the rest of the world combined; it is the world’s greatest contributor to the climate change that threatens to destroy human civilization; it has committed myriad war crimes, including torture and aggressive war, and then refused to investigate them; it refuses to participate in the International Criminal Court – the international community’s tool for preventing and punishing crimes against humanity; and income inequality has increased in recent decades to such unprecedented levels that the U.S. is now the most unequal country of all the “rich” nations of the world.

This would be a much better country if most of us were to adopt the following attitudes:

Be skeptical about what our politicians and other elites say and why they say it. Don’t be fooled into thinking that their professed ideology necessarily has much to do with their true motivations. I’m not saying that they’re all liars. I’m just saying that we need to keep an open, skeptical mind on the subject. So instead of taking their rhetoric at face value, weigh their actions more than their rhetoric. (For example, if we invaded Iraq to bring democracy to them, why did we kill over a million of their civilians, and why didn’t we leave for many years after it became apparent that they wanted us to leave?)

Don’t for a minute believe that the possession of wealth or success in life makes it less likely that a person is a psychopath. Wealthy successful psychopaths are far more dangerous than the ones who end up in jail for drug-related or other charges. And the most dangerous of all are national leaders with psychopathic tendencies.

And for God sake, don’t EVER think that just because the only people who are being abused, tortured, and killed by your government are of some other race, ethnic group, or religion – Muslim, for example – that that means that they (your government) aren’t likely to turn on you next.



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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 11:38 PM
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1. I have no answer but 'human nature.'
I think both John Dean and George Lakoff have referred to Altmeyer's work.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:34 AM
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8.  ... wrong slot
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 09:35 AM by sam sarrha

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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:19 PM
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35. Its not human nature.
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 06:20 PM by RandomThoughts
Human nature is what the 99% do at the park, the beach, or even the bar, mostly nice, and polite, not out to hurt someone.


That is the problem, the hierarchy is set up to get the psychopaths to the top so they can through authoritarianism set up that structure.

If you break to evil by enticements, then you get enslaved, and rewarded.



Note I am not talking about all rich people, nor all people in power, but that is a pattern, it was true with Charles Manson, The guy who shot that Beatles guy, and many that are in places of power.




If something can deceive you with just power, but not pass the test of is it right, from your heart and mind, then it probably isn't right.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 01:22 AM
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2. K&R'd
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:08 AM
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3. K&R is not enough.
You provide a whole picture when most look at and argue about angels on a pinhead.

Thank you. Zinn and Chomsky and all are not the last of those who see more than TV trivia.

I tried to say a fraction on this in a recent post, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8987756 "More on this insane, evil, anti-American, counterproductive, empire-in-death-throes, desperate, cornered-rat-megalomaniac syndrome at: http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=52554 .

But you showed the whole picture to any willing to read and think.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:10 AM
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6. Agreed.
More need to see (and read) this.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:21 PM
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29. Task Force 373 is outrageous and truly scary
Even when such information is made public, there are way too many Americans who just don't care... who have the complacent attitude that whatever our country does is fine because, after all, they are Americans, so it must be for the best.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:37 AM
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4. Excellent! nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:49 AM
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5. My Man Godfrey was a book made into a movie that showed
how the wealthy used people for their own distraction because of their great wealth, and idleness during the 30's. Great wealth created via deals that appear to have nothing to do with equality or legality, but with power. The mentality that money trumps peace is a recycled mantra that is passed down from one generation after another. Those on the receiving end of this inequality are told they have to work hard and make something of themselves.... Blah blah blah...... If only they had this blah, blah blah...... Truth is the system is not suppose to work for all of us. The mechanisms that worked so effortlessly like the shifting of paying taxes by those who make less, keep less, and those who make more keep more. Right now, this mechanism, is now being paraded around as a job maker, and now is not the time to take money away from anyone in these difficult times. What a HOOT!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:00 PM
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39. Agree --- and Capitalism is an essential tool in this elite scam ....
It's a system to move the wealth and natural resources of a nation from the

many to the few.

Unregulated captaitalism is merely organized crime --

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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:21 AM
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7. This is must reading for the professional left.
Another great post....K&R
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:42 AM
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9. very interesting.. another book on the subject, 10,000 hours in the making..>link>
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 10:17 AM by sam sarrha
Prophet of Doom, you cant make an informed, valid opinion unless you hear both sides of a discussion. if one side cry's foul if i try to become informed..i become more determined to find out why.. here's why. i was a research biologist, i just cant pass up a good mystery.

http://prophetofdoom.net/

edit: actually i enjoyed this on Mp3 best.. i play it while on the computer, Mp3 on breaks at work.. it is quite long, and it only gets better..

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:13 PM
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41. The two biggest scams .....
are patriarchy and its underpinning ... organized patriarchal religion --

Capitalism was invented by the Vatican when Feudalism became insufficient to run

its Papal States --

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 06:58 PM
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61. that is what Chris said in his book.. Mo's wife was just running a scam to get control of the Kaaba
here wasn't any Islam or one god till 250 years later when they wrote the Koran.. nothing was written before, all oral family stories.

the War Lord Oligarchy that Mo' created turned it into a monotheistic religion.. Allah was just a Rock before that, the Kaaba was a Polly theistic religious site.

Mo's wife ran the Concessions during Ramadan a pagan festival and to Pilgrims all year . Mo's uncle owned control of the Kaaba.

people fled Islam after Mo's death like patrons in a theater on fire. the todays Islam religion was created to keep the followers in Submission to the Oligarchy.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:48 AM
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10. I think we are saying much the same thing....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8985863&mesg_id=8985863

Perhaps it is time for us to all lay our stories of Otherness next to one another. We are all more similar than different and there is unity in our humanity. We cannot afford to allow those who would profit from division to continue to do so. Either we are all in this together, marshalling what resources we can at the time, or we will continue to allow such abuse and exploitation.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:10 AM
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12. yes.. "We cannot afford to allow those who would profit from division to continue to do so". >link>>
this is why the GOP keeps harping on the Evils of Wealth Redistribution.. they want to keep it like it is.. top 1% with 42.7% of all Financial Wealth... bottom 80% with 7% of Financial wealth and 73.4% of debt.. the TOP 1% HAS 6 TIMES THE FINANCIAL WEALTH AS THE BOTTOM 80%.!! that is why there is a recession. that is why the GOP hates the French.. they Really knew how to throw a Revolution..

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

t
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nannah Donating Member (690 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 12:03 PM
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24. i have been posting on this for several months here at du
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 12:05 PM by nannah
in response to various threads:
here
"you have noted a key element of how division among the many allows domination by the few. All on the water that day had an investment in the long term survival of the prey species and the sustaining ecology of the ocean, yet they were led to conflict due to perceived short term differences. A pervasive culture of competition and win/lose values fails to focus attention on elements of cooperation and long term survival. instead our attention is always focused on short term competition and gains to those most willing to impose force and bodily injury on others. truly, we reap what we sow. the gulf oil spew is an elegant metaphor for how our process serves us."

and here
"we need a way to articulate shared concerns among progressives and other disenchanted voters of both parties in a way that crafts an alliance. much is done to emphasize the differences between progressives and many other voters who are not well represented by major political parties, but nothing noting the shared concerns and experiences that separates both groups from the corporate politicians in both parties. Reframing our objectives in ways that address our shared concerns could provide an alliance strong enough to win a voice. it could be a fun brain storm."

I think some focused brain storming could be useful for strategy. one thought i have had is a way to make the visible spending on campaigns work against candidates. to develop people's consciousness so they recognize that it isn't what the candidate is saying , but that they can say it so often and everywhere and to see the money that represents in a negative way.

edited for clarity
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:32 PM
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43. Very well said
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:00 AM
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11. I am going to kick this again so that it won't be missed.
TFC must have did a lot of work on this and it shows.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:13 AM
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13. K&R
a must read

:applause:

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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:20 AM
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14. A hearty kick & Rec!!!
This should be taught in every high school in America.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:20 AM
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15. A hearty kick & Rec!!!
This should be taught in every high school in America.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:22 AM
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16. Capitalism is just a word to 'pretty up' slavery.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:38 AM
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17. Incredibly good post. K & R
Thanks for all the information. I'm going to buy those two books.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:17 AM
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21. Thank you. No need to buy Altemeyer's book - He's provided it for free at the link in the OP
He really wants people to read his book. It's excellent. Full of important, well described research findings.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:01 AM
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18. I only regret that I have but one recommend to give to this OP!
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pgodbold Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:02 AM
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19. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you! Brilliant!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:06 AM
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20. K&R. A lot to think about.
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 11:13 AM by Overseas
So tough when authoritarians own most of our broadcast news media and talk radio

and have amassed millions of dollars to fund right wing PR campaigns of various types to extend their power and undermine rational thinking.

And so many of our legislators who should know that letting "the wisdom of the private sector" and quarterly profits drive our national economic policies can be destructive to our long-term national health and security, have been enticed to pretend by generous campaign contributions.

That's why Dean's campaign was so refreshing-- The Emperor's Got No Clothes! -- He did what all Democrats should do in my opinion: exposed the truth about the GOP. That they claim to be concerned about fiscal responsibility but have consistently run up giant deficits, borrowing and spending. That they claim to be concerned about national security but have made our country far less secure through war profiteering and letting commercial interests drive our policies.

I thought surely the Bush Crash and Bush Torture would finally bring reality crashing through those myths and we could set a brave and exciting new course to undo the buildup of a plutocracy that looked remarkably similar to the one right before the Great Depression. Millions of people voted Democrats in because they could see those realities, but the power of cash was still too strong.

Edited to think up something hopeful to say-- I would wish that authoritarians have become so outrageous that millions will see through their lies and desert the GOP at the polls and give Democrats even bigger majorities to resist the power of corporate lobbyists and hope we can make that happen.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:39 PM
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44. Yes, all empires eventually fall - as a result of their own weight and outrageousness
It's just a question of how much destruction, death and suffering they cause before they fall. Humanity has a very long way to go before they get to the point where they can see through the psychopathic tyrants before they cause massive damage.
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krsone Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 07:16 PM
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66. The Solution
Here is the solution though:

"Eventually, as a society, we should perhaps consider making psychopathy screening mandatory before any politician or public servant presents his/her candidacy for office, any military recruits are enlisted, and before any candidates to any position of power that has any public influence are even considered. In the same way we would not allow a color-blind person to safely work, for example, as an air-traffic controller (since the inability to discern certain colors would put large numbers of unsuspecting people at high risk for disaster...), society probably shouldn't let a clinically-diagnosed psychopath be in a position of power (again, don't give the pyromaniac the matches or put a pedophile in charge of the day-care center)."

from http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20090706_ponerology.htm

Psychopathy is a clinical diagnosis that can be determined using the PCL-R scale created by Dr. Robert Hare. Psychopathy is genetic and there is evidence that psychopath's brains appear different on scans. Therefore if society wanted to a movement could be started tomorrow that all people seeking positions of power (or who are already in power) must submit to these tests and be forced out or not allowed in if they are diagnosed as psychopaths. Tomorrow we could have the answers and could be rooting out this evil and starting on the path to a fair and just world. It is that easy, all it would take is an educated and determined public movement.

If you're interested in learning more about psychopathy and how it affects our society these are some great links I've come across:

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=28940
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/10/081110fa_fact_seabrook
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
http://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=404&terms=hare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA9-RB3runE&feature=related

Patrick


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krsone Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 07:18 PM
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67. The Solution
Here is the solution though:

"Eventually, as a society, we should perhaps consider making psychopathy screening mandatory before any politician or public servant presents his/her candidacy for office, any military recruits are enlisted, and before any candidates to any position of power that has any public influence are even considered. In the same way we would not allow a color-blind person to safely work, for example, as an air-traffic controller (since the inability to discern certain colors would put large numbers of unsuspecting people at high risk for disaster...), society probably shouldn't let a clinically-diagnosed psychopath be in a position of power (again, don't give the pyromaniac the matches or put a pedophile in charge of the day-care center)."

from http://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20090706_ponerology.htm

Psychopathy is a clinical diagnosis that can be determined using the PCL-R scale created by Dr. Robert Hare. Psychopathy is genetic and there is evidence that psychopath's brains appear different on scans. Therefore if society wanted to a movement could be started tomorrow that all people seeking positions of power (or who are already in power) must submit to these tests and be forced out or not allowed in if they are diagnosed as psychopaths. Tomorrow we could have the answers and could be rooting out this evil and starting on the path to a fair and just world. It is that easy, all it would take is an educated and determined public movement.

If you're interested in learning more about psychopathy and how it affects our society these are some great links I've come across:

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=28940
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/10/081110fa_fact_seabrook
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
http://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=404&terms=hare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA9-RB3runE&feature=related

Patrick
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:19 AM
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22. I wish I could recommend this more than once. You truly are a DU treasure. nt
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:39 PM
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55. I second that, inna. This is well thought and well written.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 03:17 PM
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59. Well spoken.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 11:25 AM
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23. K&R
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 12:56 PM
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25. This was a long, worthy, fascinating read.
I noticed that, as far as the U.S. goes, the vast majority of your focus was on how Republicans and Conservatives (and much of organized christianity) fit the Authoritarian model.

Other than a mention of Obama's "stupid wars" statement, you haven't shone the light on Democrats.

I think we can infer, though, that the suggested attitude of skepticism should be applied to all, regardless of party. I strongly agree with that. I've always paid more attention to what politicians DO than what they SAY, and I've been excoriated repeatedly here at DU for just that.

I will add the online book to my reading list. Thank you for bringing it, and your thoughts, forward.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:17 PM
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42. Thank you - You are absolutely right that Democrats bear watching too
Though it might be accurate to say that most of them are more guilty of a lack of courage than psychopathic tendencies. But sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:05 PM
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50. You're welcome, of course.
I love it when someone writes something that makes me think.

:hi:
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 01:22 PM
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26. Bookmarked. One of your best TFC. Thanks. nt
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 01:36 PM
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27. K & R, bookmarked.
This is brilliant, but then "brilliant" is what I've come to expect from you. As someone said upthread, you are truly a DU treasure!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 01:40 PM
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28. Kissinger. Brezinski. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bushes, Rove. Nixon, Erlichman, Haldeman.
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 01:42 PM by WinkyDink
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:22 PM
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30. they keep us fighting amongst ourselves so we never band together against our true enemy
When are we going to realize who the real enemy is and take them to jail.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:22 PM
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31. I love the populist rhetoric, but my eyes can't believe what they are seeing,
and my mind cannot grasp the dichotomy in what is being spoken but happening before our very eyes. :)
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:23 PM
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32. Thanks for the post and reminding me.
I started reading Altmeyer online after John Dean recommended it. Then got busy and never went back. Now, I'll download it to my reader and finish it at the gym.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 03:47 PM
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33. K&R
The Populist Reforms sweeping across Latin America gives me hope.
They are nothing less than (near) Bloodless Revolutions.
Paradoxically, in some Latin American countries, these revolutions are being led by Authoritarians.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:12 PM
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34. Heavier authoritarians learned from this.
The investigations into authoritarian behavior after WWII was an attempt to understand what went so wrong in Germany and so be able to prevent it occurring again. So the psychology and vulnerability were revealed and mapped, but the only firewalls put up were laws that prohibited government-backed psy-ops propaganda being directed at the public. There was not enough publicity of these findings to be an effective public warning. And the next generation has forgotten.

Move ahead to 2000's where authoritarian followers are played by private wealth/corporations' media like an angry orchestra, primed to shout down the rest of the population and demand security, social services be damned. And facts don't count.

Look how close we came to the full-blown police state when we had someone like Bush Jr illegally in office, taking advantage of the emotional responses to the attacks in NY and the Pentagon, making all those presidential orders and directives and disregarding laws. And the stage remains set, just in case...
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:03 PM
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36. Very good read
George Bush did one very good thing. He made us aware of the psychopaths in power. Without his destructive 8 years we would still be up to our eyebrows in that seductive ideological cover-up.

It's still damn near impossible to tell people the truth about our history. They simply cling to the propaganda they've been taught in school. Questioning everything, including what people think is 'normal' isn't popular.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:38 PM
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37. Marked for later reading..which I DEFINITELY want to do.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 08:43 PM
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38. TFC...Check this one out: And be sure to watch the Video at the Amazon site.
Cornered: The New Monopoly Capitalism and the Economics of Destruction

Barry C. Lynn (Author)

Reviews and VIDEO at:


http://www.amazon.com/Cornered-Monopoly-Capitalism-Economics-Destruction/dp/0470186380
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:56 PM
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48. Yes -- a very interesting and informative book
I'm reading it right now. And I even quoted from it briefly in the OP.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-10 03:49 PM
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65. Yes...sorry...I read beginning paragraphs and wanted to comment to recommend before I
read the rest later.

Your post is excellent.
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bluestateboomer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:01 PM
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40. Excellent Post!
It brings up a very basic question which has been plaguing my mind lately. What is it about human nature which makes it so easy to accomplish bad actions and so difficult to achieve a good result? More often than not when a logical life supporting solution is proposed for any problem, a far greater number of actions and ideas appear to thwart those solutions. This article pointed out all the many methods and mechanisms by which we engineer and justify evil acts. But why is so easy for these acts to occur? I think fear may be one basic cause, but are we ever going to be able to break free as a species? Can we unite and save ourselves? I don't have an answer, but I hope we can.
Thanks for the thoughts TFC.
:shrug:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:45 PM
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45. Great questions
The superficial answer is that too often throughout history the psychopaths have accumulated vast amounts of power and assumed control of events. They have one big advantage over the rest of us: They cheat, lie, and kill, and they know no bounds to their cheating, lying and killing. They also have some disadvantages. They are vastly outnumbered. And when people catch on to what they're doing, they rebel. The problem is that it so often takes way too long for people to catch on.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:48 PM
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46. Jesus Christ, TFC. It took me two days to read this thing...
K & R !

:hi:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:00 PM
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49. .
:hi:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 09:52 PM
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47. Humans are trusting -- until they aren't .... but patriarchal religion fosters
and increases acceptance of authoritarian rule -- and thus gullibility.

Human gullibility and sycophancy – The authoritarian followers

Altemeyer’s explanation – The gullibility of authoritarian followers
Gullibility is one of the trademarks of the authoritarian followers, who provide crucial support for their authoritarian leaders. Altemeyer defines authoritarian followers as having three core characteristics: 1) high degree of submission to authority; 2) willingness to attack other people in the name of the authority; and 3) highly conventional attitudes

Altemeyer discusses the submission to authority, lack of independent thinking and need for approval that characterizes the authoritarian followers:


Since children are introduced to these religious concepts at very early ages, they have little

ability to ward off its intrusions into their psyches* --

Since they are surrounded by adults and other children who are accepting of these teachings they

have little opportunity to challenge or question them.


I imagine the Bush parents, however, and others with like-minded desire to have control over

others, teach their children a little differently. That they aren't subjects of this

authoritarianism, but that they are part of rule.


These are all exploitative systems -- usually organized in hierarchies -- and they are not

only exploitive of nature, natural resources, animal-life -- but of other human beings

according to various myths of "inferiority."



See: Manifest Destiny -- Man's Dominion Over Nature --

Papal Bulls re Native Americans --

Papal Bulls re Africans enslaved here --

"Enslave them or kill them"







*
innermost self; personality --

refers to the forces in an individual that influence thought, behavior and personality.<2> The word is borrowed from ancient Greek, and refers to the concept of the self, encompassing the modern ideas of soul, self,

Sigmund Freud, the creator of psychoanalysis, believed that the psyche was composed of three components:<5>

The id, which represents the instinctual drives of an individual and remains largely unconscious.
The super-ego, which represents a person's conscience and their internalization of societal norms and morality.
The ego, which is conscious and serves to integrate the drives of the id with the prohibitions of the super-ego. Freud believed this conflict to be at the heart of neurosis.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:16 PM
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51. Bookmarking for later
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:18 PM
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52. Thank goodness for "Greatest Discussion Threads" or I might have missed this excellent work.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:18 PM
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53. Good God, that's the perfect characterization of Bush/Cheney and the
rabid right.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:29 PM
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54. This looks so good I will book mark and read every word of it despite time pressures.
write on!
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 10:45 PM
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56. k and r nt
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 12:54 AM
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57. MY PONEROLOGY CHALLENGE...LETS NAME NAMES!
Edited on Sun Aug-22-10 12:55 AM by nikto
OK, I challenge everyone who reads this to come up with the NAME of an ACTUAL PERSON
whom you believe is one of those pathological few who are leading us to dysfunction
and destruction. Lets name names.

Here's a couple:

Newt Gingrich
Dick Cheney

Classic examples, both. O8)



Anybody else want to add to the list?
:popcorn:
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 01:22 PM
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58. There is definitely no shortage of Pathocrats but
you have to first understand the collective nature of the beast before you go around slinging names, because whole societies are caught up in a state of defending their ideologies and leaders within various fractured in-groups that contribute to the mass insanity called Pathocracy, the sad truth is that if you have a conscience and don't understand this problem discovered in “psychology” you are most likely, to some varying degree, part of the problem. Why? For starters, even though psychopaths have no conscience, they are keenly aware of how conscience affects those who do, and they are masters at using this awareness to their benefit, by turning reality and truth upside down and inside out (for instance think about the power of the M$M / faux news), and thus, they gain blind support and trust from their naïve gullible followers. This of course allows them to gain power positions and influence within every public institution and ideology, i.e. church, government, political parties, corporations, military, law enforcement, mass media, education etc. etc; just remember.., where there is power psychopath wants it; and when these positions of power are under their control they are able to, slowly over time, change the laws of the land and program the amenable minds of their followers with a false reality that is inimical to their own best interest, and when things go wrong the pathocrats can and do sweep it under the rug, or better yet, put the blame on someone else.

People of conscience also cling to their ideology as if it is some monolithic shield that will preserve a way of life and protect them from evil, and the leaders play the role of both champions and gate keepers of the ideology, but as psychopathic influence gains a foothold, over time the ideology is gutted and morphs into something that would no longer be recognizable by its original founders, yet there remains the façade of the ideology in which the politicians wrap themselves in; praising it and glorifying for the benefit of followers who are called upon to defend it with their lives in the name of some noble cause, but more like defending it against the evils pathocracy itself conjured up to gain power, and what it then created simply because of the nature of the beast, i.e. the consequences to its actions, this facade tragically becomes the new conventionality that fools the masses. But eventually people start becoming more and more aware that something isn’t right and they begin to resist, and eventually they become a threat to the pathocracy, and the new enemy of the state; “if your not with us you are against us” becomes the meme of anxious in-groups being torn apart over what the ideology is supposed to be as opposed to what is becoming or has become.

I hope that I have given enough contexts as to why naming a bunch of names might not be appropriate; I could list almost every republican politician and that would be mostly true and OK with the rules of Democratic Underground; unfortunately as much as we would like to believe it, the Democratic Party - though less infected, has no special immunity to the influence of psychopaths, and they are notorious for bipartisanship as well as not prosecuting the crimes of the Republican Party, but I’m sure that the more the American way of life decays democratic voters will begin to clean their own house.

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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 04:06 PM
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60. I'm glad to see you getting this information out in the open.
I'm also surprised to see this OP is still in GD and not in the dungeon.

After reading, understand and merging both Ponerology and The Authoritarians into the same perspective the world looks so much different. When politicians tell us to forget and get over the past - time after time, and by not prosecuting criminals, and by allowing the same criminals to stay in or have access to power; and then to hear them babble on with no better excuse for all our problems than to say things like we didn't see it coming or let's blame the politicians we were supposed to forget about; something seems amiss when the chickens come home to roost... No doubt that in a pathocracy, ignorance is the facade of complicity. Fortunately the Ponerology and Authoritarian explanation makes it all so very clear and the more people understand this subject the closer the human race comes to having peace on earth.

And thank you for mentioning me in your OP, it's something I can show that says I helped change the world for the better.

I'm too late for a rec but here's a kick for all the people who have a conscience.

Larry
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 07:02 PM
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62. Exploit the capitalist system and write a book.
You might hit some good change. Don't write a research paper; write a book with a narrative and pertinent examples for the working class. Brilliant.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-10 07:52 PM
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63. Excellent piece. Thank you, Time for change.
Over the many years of my life I have noticed a human physical characteristic that piqued my interest and curiosity more than once. I'm going out on a limb here and making a totally unscientific hypothesis that we humans as a species and as individuals share traits of other species that are manifest not just in actions but also in the physical appearance of some individuals.

Many of the psychological character "flaws" that lead to pathology, as explained in the research used in this commentary, are manifestations of predator behavior in other species. An example is the big cats--no, not the "fat cats"--the big felines. The lions, tigers, leopards, et al. are genetically programmed to kill without remorse. Their very existence and well-being depends upon their ability to dominate in their own sphere (although there is definitely cooperation and teamwork involved in the hierarchical groups such as lion prides) as well as to be able to physically overpower and devour their prey--weaker, mostly non-predatory creatures. A lion kills and eats antelopes and zebras because that's what it's trained to do by its parents, and what it does to survive.

The same is true of other predator species such as wolves, coyotes, bears, etc. Nature provided these creatures with the hard-wiring to work individually or as a group to dominate and prey upon other species.

What does this have to do with the topic of the thread? My observation of some very dominant individuals that I have known is that they not only exhibited the personality traits of a dominant predatory animal, but they even in some cases, their facial features bore a striking resemblance to predators. One of the most aggressive human beings I have ever known had what I can only describe as the visage of a raptor. The nose, the eyes and the shape of the face distinctly resembled the shape and look of a hawk or eagle. Another acquaintance who bore the same physical appearance in his face became a folk hero among recon Marines in Vietnam. This person was fearlessly aggressive and had an innate sense of when and how to ambush his "prey" that few others had.

Have you ever seen a man you thought looked like a bull? Large, stocky body, big blocky head. Was that person an intimidating personality type? I've known several who looked like that and who definitely liked to rule the herd, and who didn't mind butting heads with anyone who dared threaten their status in the group.

I've seen some people whose faces strongly resembled rodents, rabbits, turtles, squirrels, dogs, cats, and other critters. The interesting part was that very often their personalities were very much like what we associate with the traits exhibited by their animal kingdom lookalikes. Of course, this is broad brush speculation, but it leads me to believe that one of the reasons we humans act as we do is that we are still imbued with some genetic traits of other mammals, reptiles, whatever that we all evolved from eons ago.

What we humans have that those other species do not possess is the ability to plan ahead in a fairly long-term manner and the ability to use tools to alter our landscape and our environment in major ways.

Most of us never interact on a personal level with the ruling class of humans. Oh sure, we get to shake a President's hand or we might even brush shoulders with a Senator or Secretary of State at a government function, but how many of us actually know or encounter the people who are at the top of the "food chain" so to speak? On a couple of occasions I have been in the presence of some very wealthy people from "old money" families. Most of them were just normal seeming human beings, but some of them had an aura of aloofness and a hard, cold look that bordered on predatory. These people were used to being treated as the most powerful people in the room and they exuded that from their pores. Given that they were just filthy rich, and not rich on a scale of billionaire aristocratic old world royalty, these folks would very likely have been several notches down on the food chain, but still far above most of us in the ranks of the working classes.

So, my premise is that the pathology may be built in to some of us humans and it may be something that we cannot overcome as a species. On the other hand, we herd animals might have to one day wrest control from the predators by some miracle of nature. Unfortunately, even with all of the knowledge and the technology we have at hand, we don't seem to be inclined toward that goal. Or, I should say, most of us are not inclined toward that goal.

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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-10 07:44 AM
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64. K. Too late to R.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-10 07:38 PM
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68. That's the best post I've read in a long time. Kick
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