THE CIA DID NOT SAY SADAM HAD THOSE WMD's

[nadinbrzezinski]

that was the Office of Special Plans...

Yes Doug some of us WERE FUCKING PAYING ATTENTION! YOU LYING SACK OF SHIT!!!!

Doggie Feith lying on MSNBC RIGHT NOW.

[AnArmyVeteran]

1. Feith is a miserable liar who helped kill hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings.

[leveymg]

2. Why is he not in federal prison or buried?

Why is there no accountability in this country for treason, espionage, and mass murder?

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. There should be...

[leveymg]

7. Used to be if someone screwed over the CIA, they didn't live to brag about it on TV

Something has definitely gone very wrong in America. Even the most elite intelligence agencies are treated as insignificant pawns. This isn't just one branch of the establishment playing games with another - it's more like the country has been occupied by some fearsome foreign power, and people are so scared they won't even admit the obvious.

Who really has that kind of power over us?

[Amonester]

17. The Big Money Owners

And I say Big 'cuz it's Really Big.

[Bozita]

5. Accountability is for the small people.

Douglas Feith is taking a fucking victory lap.

[ThomWV]

12. You mean like Ken Lay?

[leveymg]

16. Abramoff and Conrad Black are already out of prison. Skilling is seeking release on bail.

Last June, Black won a victory when the US Supreme Court limited the reach of the federal fraud law that prosecutors used frequently in corruption cases against government officials and executives like Black and former Enron Corp Chief Executive Jeffrey Skilling.

The high court stopped short of overturning convictions and sent the cases back to lower courts.

Lay may have taken that black capsule prematurely.

[Ignis]

21. ...If the choice was his to make.

It's always possible that he threatened to name names in the Bush admin.

[leveymg]

23. If he wanted to name names, he would've used it to cut a plea bargain.

No, I think that was Kenny Boy's call and a way to save his spouse and kiddies $37 million. Now, Judy Miller's British friend, Dr. Kelly, looks more like an involuntary case. He died of an overdose of names.

[Ignis]

24. "an overdose of names"

Sad, but true. And every day, another public figure with a sterling reputation comes forward to denounce the handling of the investigation into Kelly's death.

Let's hope it leads somewhere. Someday. Maybe. :(

[leveymg]

27. There's an interesting back story about the phony bioweapons labs and mock Iraqi dirty bomb

that Dr. Kelly and Steve Hatfill were involved in constructing before the invasion. Strangely, Judy Miller was on both ends of this thread. See, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3064034

[ejpoeta]

4. and i am sure the host corrected him.

hehe yeah right.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I doubt the host was paying attention

but this brings the Plane Affair out more starkly... correct my memory, but didn't that coincide with that period?

I mean that would be a hell of a message to the CIA.

[progressoid]

11. Gotta wonder if the host even knows what the OSP is?

:banghead:

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Oh and for those who do need a primer on the OSP

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/05/12/030512fa_fact

[Ignis]

22. Thanks for that link. Interesting article I missed when it was published.

:thumbsup:

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. That is the best primer on it

I agree.

[Ignis]

33. Yeah, it's great. I'll be forwarding it on to a few friends.

I'm trying to drag a few young people I know into being politically active. ;)

[JohnyCanuck]

9. OSP, or "The Spies Who Pushed For War"

The spies who pushed for war

Julian Borger reports on the shadow rightwing intelligence network set up in Washington to second-guess the CIA and deliver a justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force

snip

According to former Bush officials, all defence and intelligence sources, senior administration figures created a shadow agency of Pentagon analysts staffed mainly by ideological amateurs to compete with the CIA and its military counterpart, the Defence Intelligence Agency.

The agency, called the Office of Special Plans (OSP), was set up by the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, to second-guess CIA information and operated under the patronage of hardline conservatives in the top rungs of the administration, the Pentagon and at the White House, including Vice-President Dick Cheney.

The ideologically driven network functioned like a shadow government, much of it off the official payroll and beyond congressional oversight. But it proved powerful enough to prevail in a struggle with the State Department and the CIA by establishing a justification for war.

snip

There was a mountain of documentation to look through and not much time. The administration wanted to use the momentum gained in Afghanistan to deal with Iraq once and for all. The OSP itself had less than 10 full-time staff, so to help deal with the load, the office hired scores of temporary "consultants". They included lawyers, congressional staffers, and policy wonks from the numerous rightwing thinktanks in Washington. Few had experience in intelligence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/17/iraq.usa

[Canuckistanian]

10. Yes, but they all lined up like little ducks after the claim was made by Bush

Can you say 'career advancement', boys and girls?

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. No, actually the CIA did not

why they needed the OSP...

It is just that very few people were paying attention

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/05/12/030512fa_fact

[WinkyDink]

13. McCain lies about foreign govts, also.

[Subdivisions]

15. The first thing out of Jansing's mouth last hour was something to the effect

that "...what began as the removal of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein from power has now ended." (paraphrasing, but close enough).

[Winterblues]

18. BS George Tenet sat right behind Colin Powell at the UN when Powell said there were WMDs there.

The CIA was every bit as complicit as the Bush*/Cheney Cabal...

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Yes but the nasty bits were done by the Office of Special Plans

you may want to re-read the articles from back in the day.

This is a convenient way to continue the lies.

[onethatcares]

20. LtCol Karen Kwitaowski (spelling)

she could tell you about the OSP. Sybil Edmonds could tell us all about the OSP. Maybe one day when dickcheney is lying on his death bed, he'll tell us all why he made trips from the whitehouse to the OSP so many times there was a footpath worn in the road.

Our entire government was complicit in the lies leading up to the invasion. I believe our entire government was complicit in many things aside from the invasion of Iraq.

At this point in time, they know they're above the law and will never be prosecuted. Ken Lay can come out of hiding now too.

[SoCalDem]

26. supposedly, Powell MADE him go or he was not going to go along with their plan

Powell's a toady too, but I think Tenet woiuld have not gone had he not been "nudged:..

[SoCalDem]

25. and what about how Cheney made DAILY trips to the CIA

to coerce them to provide "just enough" conflicting information so he could spin his web of deceit ?

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. And they did not

why OSP.

And in my mind a few of those ahem "fine people" should be tried for this. Not that it will happen, but...

[Prometheus Bound]

28. Tenet assured Bush the evidence that Iraq had WMDs amounted to a "slam dunk case."

December 12, 2002

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. All that came from OSP

and was political cover.

You too should read on the OSP. Dougie has far more to do with that "intel" than any field agent of the CIA ever did... Tenet saying what the OSP pushed for is political cover.

[Prometheus Bound]

36. I'll look into it. Thanks.

[mmonk]

29. A liar from the lie factory.

[indepat]

34. I understood Ms. Jansing(?) on CNN to flat out say/declare/aver/insinuate the US invaded Iraq becaus...

of their weapons of mass destruction: after all, we would not want to be seeing mushroom clouds over the Homeland in 45 minutes, now would we, Ms. Jansing? Hopefully I misunderstood what she said: hopefully she was not hyping that, is it, fable? :P

edited for punctuation

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Nope she was not

that was one of the "reasons" for the war. As well as the Iraqi Drones... no, I am not kidding.

The ginned up reasons for war were many... and our press fell for it. To this day most hosts allow the propaganda to be catapulted.