Ann Coulter Is A Deliberate Liar, among Other Things

[MineralMan]

She is a reprobate, a vicious person, a slanderer, a libeler, a shrill, nasty person, a fucking Republican of the worst kind. No truth comes out of her mouth, but calumny, ugliness, and bitterness often do. She is offensive, a rabble-rouser, a scoundrel, and a misanthropist. She has no qualities that would attract anyone to associate with her. She is pure evil, in many people's opinion. I am among that group.

The English language has a wide variety of words that can be used to characterize such an inconsequential, inflammatory person. The list is almost endless. There are sufficient words with negative connotations that can be applied to this foul-mouthed, disruptive political animal to fill page after page of vituperation of her.

I can find no cause to use words that are objectionable to whole classes of people to describe this pus-filled sack of bones. No cause at all. If a writer is so bereft of vocabulary he or she can use to cast imprecations on such a worthless excuse for humanity, then that writer is not deserving of the name.

Very old Anglo-Saxon terms for body parts are among the least useful words for describing individuals. Insomuch as they are also frequently used as slurs towards entire groups of people, they have even less use for negative imaging of individuals. Specificity is much better when used to attack individuals.

I suggest that some pundits need to purchase, and use, a good thesaurus. Surely there are better words that could be selected to describe this truly awful person. Being rude is far more effective when done creatively, rather than crudely.

[uncommon]

1. Well said.

[bemildred]

2. Well done. nt

[LostinVA]

3. +1

[foxfeet]

4. She is the North Korea of punditry.

Whenever she feels she is getting insufficient attention, she screams, cries, stamps her hooves and threatens to go nuclear.

[MineralMan]

11. Very nice work!

:toast:

[DevonRex]

5. Very, very well said. No liberal cause can be helped by using sexism

and violence even to describe Coulter.

[Warpy]

6. Words can hit has hard as a fist

especially when they're not gutter words. Gutter language causes the message to be lost in many cases, as people focus on the words themselves rather than the message.

Your post proved the point that polite English can be used very impolitely and to devastating effect.

[MineralMan]

8. Yes, and I was barely trying. I can do much better than that with a little

thought. I just banged that out.

[myrna minx]

7. Thank you. n/t

[NJmaverick]

9. On the plus side she seems far less relevant these days

the crazy/vile banner is now being carried by Bachman, Palin and Glenn Beck

[MineralMan]

12. Yes. How that must grind on her pasty little mind, too.

It is to celebrate.

[Tailormyst]

10. Bravo!

[MineralMan]

13. Thanks! Any nasty little schoolboy can use all of those

Anglo-Saxon terms. You'd think a big, famous writer could do better. In this case, I suppose not, since that writer seems very fond of his schoolboy slurs. :shrug:

[Tailormyst]

24. Spot on.

His post just reflects an attitude that much of our culture feels is normal. Scary stuff.

[leftofcool]

14. Preaching to the choir. Tell the Rude Pundit.

Though I doubt it would do any good. He says what he says and we either read it or not.

[MineralMan]

16. No, actually not preaching to the choir. Apparently there are

some naughty little people hiding in the back rows of the choir, lighting farts and giggling. It's time for the choir director to stop all that nonsense, I think.

[leftofcool]

19. You mean because some of us enjoy reading Rude?

My suggestion is that if you feel this strongly about Rude calling Counter the C word, then send him an email. On the other hand, I suppose that this time next week, all DUers who read Rude will be thrown under the bus, or he will be, or the Mods will disallow linking to his site.

[MineralMan]

22. No. I enjoy reading Chaucer, but I don't use some of the language

he uses on this forum. No, that's not what I mean at all. And I think you know that. If you're trying to pick a fight with me over this OP, you'll have to find another person to fight with. I said what I said, and it's exactly what I mean to say. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[leftofcool]

28. I also enjoy Chaucer and indeed used to teach it.

I had no problem using the language in a class of high school Seniors. What would be so different about this forum where Chaucer is concerned?

[MineralMan]

36. I have no doubt that you used a typical bowdlerized version of

Chaucer in your high school. I imagine you taught a selected group of the tales as well.

[leftofcool]

38. Nope.

It was an advanced literature/college prep class. They got the real deal.

[MineralMan]

65. Good for you and that school, then. Truly.

It's rare. Were you using a side-by-side translation, so the students could see the original language? That's even better.

[leftofcool]

74. Yes, but it was tough for them

[MineralMan]

75. I love doing it. After not too long, I was able to just real the

Middle English and just refer to the modern translation occasionally. I'm going to have to pull out my Chaucer again now and re-read the Tales.

[LostinVA]

88. Because Skinner has stated that word is against DU rules

And, the Mods have locked the Rude Pundit screed that advocated violence against women as well as using the cword.

And, that word had a much different intent in Chaucer's time than it does now. I've taught Chaucer, too.

[mitchum]

44. That's where we are different; my rationale has always been...

if it was good enough for Geoff, it is good enough for me.

[MineralMan]

80. I doubt there is a single passage that Chaucer wrote, or any words

he used that could not be posted here or words used as he used them.

[mitchum]

102. True, I have posted the word "queynte" on DU several times...

mostly out of a sense of devilment.
And to work around that stupid rule.

[MineralMan]

104. Now you've given it away, though. People will be watching for it.

:rofl:

[mitchum]

106. No, I think their outrage and ignorance will still run neck and neck

I am a prick :)

[T Wolf]

15. Not to disagree, but... sometimes it feels so good (temporarily) to go off on a piece of shit like

Coulter.

Because we feel so deeply and what she (and they) do is so god-damned obscene and objectionable, sometimes we lose a little control and revert to a more primitive (republican) mode.

Usually, we pull back from that a bit.

But, we need to learn a lesson about tapping into our passion for fuel to take the fight more vigorously to the enemy.

Taking a pencil to a gunfight usually leads to getting shot.

[MineralMan]

18. But, it feels much better to do it creatively, doncha think?

As I said, any grammar school kid knows all those "dirty" words. Grownups can do much better and cut much deeper at the person they're attacking. We know more words. Better words. Words that target only the target, rather than entire groups of people. Sometimes, a rifle is a better choice of weapon than a shotgun, eh?

[noamnety]

17. Thank you for taking a stand on this. (nt)

[MineralMan]

20. It's one of my things. While I've made mistakes, my mother taught

me that name-calling needs to be done carefully, lest you call the wrong person a name. Very wise is my 86-year-old mother. Very wise indeed. Also very able to take a person down to size quite nicely without ever ruffling anyone else's feathers. I'm not as skilled as she.

[JerseygirlCT]

21. Very well said, and thank you, Mineral Man. nt

[Spazito]

23. Well said!

I completely agree!

"The English language has a wide variety of words that can be used to characterize such an inconsequential, inflammatory person. The list is almost endless. There are sufficient words with negative connotations that can be applied to this foul-mouthed, disruptive political animal to fill page after page of vituperation of her.

I can find no cause to use words that are objectionable to whole classes of people to describe this pus-filled sack of bones. No cause at all. If a writer is so bereft of vocabulary he or she can use to cast imprecations on such a worthless excuse for humanity, then that writer is not deserving of the name."


:applause:

Recommended.

[meegbear]

25. I post the Rude One's work here because he allows me to ...

the one stipulation being that I do not edit his writing. I will make an edit in the headline, but it should be noted that it probably will be in the post.

Is it a naughty word? Yes, yes it is. Is it necessary to get a point across? No. But he is called The Rude Pundit for a reason and as long as I can repost his work, I will. Hell, put me on Ignore and you'll never have to see that word from me again.

Of course, that won't stop it completely; while there is a rule about "calling people out", it's interesting that the word appears a couple of times here.

[leftofcool]

29. +1

But, by this time next week, there will be a new rule. No posting of or linking to Rude's work.

[MineralMan]

30. It is your choice to post what you wish to post. You choose to

post a column from that person that attracts a lot of flamewar activity. That's up to you. However, you may also be criticized for your choice. That's up to others, who may post as they choose as well.

I will not put you on ignore. I don't put anyone on ignore. I want to see whatever is posted. Thanks for your suggestion, but I'll have to decline. However, if you post columns from that person that use such misogynistic terminology, I'll continue to protest against those postings. That's my privilege here, too.

Apparently my accusation of this Rude Pundit person as an uncreative writer who falls back on crude schoolboy language to make his point annoys you. If he were a truly talented writer, he'd be capable of using more effective language to make his point, while avoiding alienating an entire population of people who might otherwise be on his side. He is, apparently, a hack, though, and I have seen other examples of his use of the word in question in his writings. Very poor skills. I'm amazed that you find his columns all that interesting. But, to each his own, I guess.

Thanks for stopping by my thread. Really.

[meegbear]

42. Well then do not listen to Stephanie Miller on Mondays as he is on her show ...

He is also the author of Staged Action: Six Plays from the American Workers' Theatre.

I do not "choose to post a column from that person that attracts a lot of flamewar activity"; I post his work just about every day because I can and I can (as well as others) strip out "the naughty bits" and get to the crux of the topic.

"Apparently my accusation of this Rude Pundit person as an uncreative writer who falls back on crude schoolboy language to make his point annoys you." No it doesn't, really; there are many writers whom I think are uncreative (political and others) and I'm willing to wager that stating such wouldn't annoy their readers. But really, unrec the posts, make statements like this, this is what DU (and heck, democracy) is all about.

Thanks for the reply. Really.

[MineralMan]

47. I don't listen to "shows" at all. They're always at inconvenient

times for me.

But, hey, thanks for permission to do those things when I'm offended. I really appreciate it... :shrug:

[EOTE]

26. Shrill?!?!? You sexist pig!!!!! NT

[MineralMan]

31. Not at all. A shrill voice can also be emitted by a man. I have

heard it many times. It's even more common among small children, who use it as an alarm signal and to get the attention of adults. Perhaps you're not familiar with those things. Shrill is not a sexist word at all.

It can be used to describe a whistle or the call of a bird, or in many other ways. I suggest a dictionary. The word that I'm objecting too, however, has just one derivation. You can look it up, if you wish. It once was a perfectly common word, with no negative connotations. It really was. Sadly, like a lot of perfectly useful words of Anglo-Saxon origin, it has come to be a very nasty, offensive word, indeed. I recommend against using it.

Pardon me, if I sound shrill.

[EOTE]

32. Men can be hysterical too. NT

[MineralMan]

34. Indeed they can, and frequently are. One has only to look at

any tea party gathering to know that. Hysterical is an interesting word. Unlike some, it has evolved to be a word that no longer references women in particular. Its most common use today is to modify the word laughter. It's most-used meaning now is simply "exceptionally funny." Language is interesting.

But the four-letter Anglo-Saxon word being discussed has never lost its reference point. It's just used now as a disgusting slur, which is far from its original meaning in Anglo-Saxon and Old English.

[EOTE]

41. Words evolve? Huh. How's that for a concept?

You should know my original comment was to be taken tongue in cheek. I believe each person can make their own decisions on which words they use. I also think it's ridiculous to think that using a word that's specific to a gender means it's necessarily sexist. Think of how many variations of the word "dick" exist. Dickwad, dickhead, dickhole... Dickens. I guess those words have evolved to mean something other than originally intended, they certainly don't spark outrage here.

[MineralMan]

52. How should I know that?

There was no indication of it. Dick is the nickname for Richard, too. So what?

[EOTE]

58. When you call someone a 'dick', it's not referring to Richard.

It's referring to a part of the male anatomy. Just like the word 'cunt' refers to part of the female anatomy.

[MineralMan]

64. Actually, the use of the word dick to refer to the human penis

was a much later development. Go look it up and you'll see. Etymology is really fun, if you like that sort of thing. Richards were called "Dick" for short long before the other usage began.

The Anglo-Saxon word for the female genitalia, however, had its first use with that meaning. It was only used as a description of a person much later, and by misogynists. You can look that up, too. The OED has a very interesting entry for the word. Etymology is fun.

[EOTE]

67. I'm talking about using the word "dick" in a pejorative sense.

If you're talking to a person named Richard and you call him dick, I'm sure he won't take much offense to it. I can't think of many women named cunt off the top of my head.

[mitchum]

27. But Coulter is just a right-wing pole dancer...

her job is to titillate

[boston bean]

33. and your job is to get your jollies off it?

Aint saying much for you, sad to say.

[mitchum]

39. No, that would only be the case if I were a republican...

because that is Coulter's intended audience

[MineralMan]

40. Weak.

[mitchum]

50. Ironic coming from someone who seemingly can't turn a phrase, but can only...

regurgitate the oh-so-correct verities

[MineralMan]

54. I am cut to the quick, and the wound is mortal, no doubt.

Nothing left for me but to slink away... :rofl:

[mitchum]

59. Prostrating, rather than slinking, seems to be more your style

[MineralMan]

68. No, I'll only be prostrate after I slink away and your wound

has exsanguinated me.

[mitchum]

78. See, that is another way in which we differ; I would never use the word "exsanguinated"...

it is rather too pretentious
and does not serve my intentions.
My intentions?
To amuse,
enchant,
and infuriate.

[MineralMan]

82. Everyone chooses his or her own vocabulary for whatever

use they intend. That's what makes English such a great language. Of course, vocabulary choices are subject to criticism by others.

[mitchum]

98. We are in agreement

However, I don't consider one's use of the archaic
to indicate one's approval of oppression.
It's just a matter of aesthetics.

[MineralMan]

89. "To amuse, enchant, and infuriate."

You've succeeded admirably with the first, but have failed to enchant me, I'm afraid. Infuriating me is even harder. My doctor tells me it's not good for my blood pressure, so I've stopped getting infuriated.

[mitchum]

93. But doesn't that flow rather nicely?

:)

Hey, I'm happy to succeed at only one.
That still puts me ahead of most other scribblers.

[MineralMan]

94. It does have a rather nice flow to it, I must admit.

[mitchum]

99. Thanks!

peace,
mitchum

[Name removed]

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[MineralMan]

37. Who cares? Truly.

Why would it matter, in the first place? She is an obnoxious, offensive person. That's quite enough.

[MineralMan]

45. Do you find people who are transsexual to be bad? Are you

accusing Coulter of being a transsexual as a slur? Really? Do you think being a transsexual is evil, wrong, or sinful? That seems to be what you are implying. Perhaps you would care to think about that a bit longer, you know.

Uff da!

[noamnety]

46. When you make transphobic posts

what people hear is "I'm a bigot."

And that's a good lesson in all of this. There were a number of people screaming "You're so shallow you can't see past the bigotry to the rude pundit's point!" Absolutely. When someone uses bigoted slurs, what people take away is that they are a bigot. And they lose credibility because of it, people don't want to listen to them because of it. They are shunned because of it. As they should be.

[Tailormyst]

51. You went right from a thread on mysogony and felt the need to throw in some homophobia?

Really?

[MineralMan]

57. C'est pour rire!

Sometimes, it's all so amazingly funny.

[chelsea0011]

43. She's found that there is money to be had by being filled with hate.

[noamnety]

49. Yes, she and the rude pundit both.

Hate speech is a ticket to fame.

[pitohui]

48. yeah, well, censorship is also a nasty word to some of us

i wouldn't express myself the way the rude pundit does but i'll defend his right to express himself in his own words, he isn't ever one to pussy-foot around and he's honest, instead of self-censoring, which is a virtue in its own right

i hope pussy-foot is not a rude word too now, since apparently anything that refers to a female body part is somehow rude or insulting

how hurtful is it to me as a woman that a vulgar name for my body part is considered by many to be as bad as the "n word" but a vulgar name for a male body part like prick is considered OK -- it seems like you want it both ways here, apparently if it's a male body part it's an honor to be called that (dick cheney is a prick is not a statement that insults all men, so how can ann coulter is a {deleted female body part word} be a statement that insults all women?

as a woman, i am somewhat offended by the idea that all women are hyper sensitive whiny ninnies

we can tell when you're hurling well deserved invective at ann coulter and when you actually just don't like women

i think you're being a bit unfair to 1) women who aren't ninnies and 2) the rude pundit himself here

censorship leads to more ills than a few naughty words, in my humble experience

also since the time of mark twain it has been considered bad for serious writers to over-use the thesaurus, i'll follow mr. twain's recommend and stick w. the simple anglo-saxon instead of the long-winded puffery, so i don't criticize the rude pundit for doing the same...SERIOUS writers don't use a thesaurus, only pretenders do

the fact of the matter is ann coulter gets attention using her foul hate-filled mouth but she would not get the attention she does if she didn't play up her body and looks, the comparison to an over-the-hill whore is perfectly fair because she traded on her sexuality for money, there are lots of women who hate but few who have earned the money she does from hate, and it's clearly because of the tension between her looks and her message

[leftofcool]

56. Well said!

[MineralMan]

61. Even self-censorship? That seems like a useful thing, doncha think?

I use it often. In fact, I've used it several times in this very thread. I'm using it right now.

[leftofcool]

66. That is your choice and I applaud it.

Perhaps others including Rude should be allowed their own choices.

[MineralMan]

69. Fire! Fire! Fire!

n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

77. It's not self-censorship when you tell other people to do it.

I mean, it's not.

[MineralMan]

83. No, you're absolutely correct. It is not censorship, either, when

you criticize a choice of words. Here on DU, unless you're a moderator or an admin, it's impossible to censor anyone.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. Agreed.

Hey, but at least we're not fighting about the Green Party, today.

[MineralMan]

60. Serious writers are walking thesauri. Truly.

And pussy-footing derives from the way a cat walks. It has nothing whatever to do with female genitalia. In fact the word pussy first attached to the cat, not the female genitalia. That was a later meaning of the word. You can look it up. You'll discover that I'm right.

Apparently, the Rude Pundit is short of words in his internal thesaurus. That's why I suggested he buy one.

[mitchum]

62. I wish that I could recommend just this post

well done

[Warren DeMontague]

53. To be fair, he does call himself the "rude" pundit.

I mean, caveat emptor.

[boston bean]

55. this was crude and misogynistic. not rude.

[phleshdef]

71. You honestly believe he was expressing derogatory feelings towards women?

I'm all for getting amped up about actual slurs, but this is ridiculous.

[MineralMan]

73. I think he probably was, actually.

I don't think I've ever met a man who used that term to describe any woman who doesn't have an underlying dislike for women in general. I really don't.

[boston bean]

81. uh, I don't know any other way to take it.

You have to look at the overall picture. Just because he wasn't talking about me, doesn't mean I'm not offended, and rightly so, when he uses that word or those visualizations.

If it can be said of Ann Coulter, it can be said of Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi.

[LostinVA]

90. Yes, I do, because of the violence and imagery used

NO WAY could I write that about, say, a black person.

[Warren DeMontague]

79. As I suggested elsewhere, perhaps contacting the source directly is your best recourse.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

You can write him a letter, the address in on the upper right part of the page.

[boston bean]

87. I don't want to write him a letter.

I would like you to think about why he feels it necessary to speak of women the way he does.

And why you feel the need to defend his misogynistic rants.

[Warren DeMontague]

92. You "would like me to"? I'm sorry, I don't take orders on what to think.

from self-appointed hall monitors or anyone else.

I'm not defending anything. Actually, you're the one who has used the offending word here on DU, not me. I would like you to think long and hard about what you've done, and develop an appropriate plan for making amends for your usage of unacceptable words.

[boston bean]

95. ok then, don't reply to my posts then.

my use of the word while imploring others not to use it is offensive, yet your defense of others using it denigrate and degrade women is aok?

please, do as you wish and don't speak another word to me.

[Warren DeMontague]

118. a) I haven't defended anything. b) If the word is offensive, the word is offensive. You shouldn't

use it.

[mitchum]

100. Warren, where is your sense of chivalry?

How dare you refuse the request of a fair maiden?

[boston bean]

101. Is that your way of calling me a prude?

Would you describe every woman that doesn't want to open her legs for your penis a fair maiden or prude?

Most misogynists feel that way. How bout you?

[mitchum]

103. I'm a misanthrope, not a misogynist...

because I actually believe in equality.
Sorry to break it to you, but my penis has no designs upon you.
You flatter yourself. However, there is nothing wrong with that; we all do. Damn humans.

[boston bean]

105. then why would you categorize me as a fair maiden?

What was your purpose in doing so?

[mitchum]

108. The implication is that you are of such a delicate sensibility due to gender...

that you must be protected from a mere word.
And I only implied that
because that is the subtext
of your protest.

[seabeyond]

112. like hell if it is sensitive, protection from, victim. to say it is bullshit, one has to be the

opposite. having to listen to your guys shit. having to be insulted. to have our sexuality challenged. for you to continue the degradation and still speak out, that it is bullshit, takes guts. it is those that stfu because your insults make them submit that become the victim

so, though you like to twist this your way, i see it the total opposite. not putting up with your crap. your way of demeaning and degrading women so you can get your rocks off

the black that stands up to the white mob isn't the coward.

though the mob would like to subjugate him to silence.

[mitchum]

113. Oh, I get it...

you can accurately...uh...uh...intuit the subtext of the words of the male,
but it doesn't work the other way.
Thanks for clearing that up.

[Warren DeMontague]

120. I do, however, have designs upon my penis.

I put the blueprints for a B-17 Liberator on there.



It was the backbone of the US Army Air Corps in Europe, during WWII.

[mitchum]

124. Nicely done

[Warren DeMontague]

119. Wow!

every woman that doesn't want to open her legs for your penis

Damn. Just.... Damn!

Holy



Batman! :rofl:

[mitchum]

125. Yep...I think it's probably safe to assume that there are issues and a history...

driving that crazyass shit

[VMI Dem]

63. Rec.

[Name removed]

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[LostinVA]

91. bwwwahhhhh

:rofl:

[Doctor_J]

97. oooh, that must have been a good one

please pm me with its contents.

[MineralMan]

72. The original cause for this OP has been settled.

[Steely_Dan]

76. Yeah, He's Pretty Bad n/t

[wildflower]

self-delete

My post was somehow posted twice.

[wildflower]

84. MineralMan...

I just wanted to say thank you.

[MineralMan]

85. Thank you very much!

[Doctor_J]

96. I was once scolded for calling her Andy coulter

which I still do. The reply called me anti-gay and anti-trans. I pointed out that since andy is neither gay nor trans, merely homely with no shape and a large Adam's Apple, my name for her could hardly exhibit "bigotry" against anyone except for her.

[noamnety]

122. Why would you proudly hang on to your right to make transphobic posts here? (nt)

[H2O Man]

107. I agree 100%

Recommended.

[opihimoimoi]

109. KnR #29....well done MM...well said..... :o)

:bounce:

[MineralMan]

111. Aloha!

[opihimoimoi]

114. Aloha: Come. we go see Kahuna...give us answers to fight the LOLOs

He likes to use Reason Truth and Clarity....He sez them LOLOs cannot stand the TRUTH...they go nuts and into denial...

when pau, we go fishing, catch manini for frying, eat w poi...then we drink, laugh, smile....

[MineralMan]

115. Grin!

Sound like da kine day foa me.

[upi402]

110. water is wet! k/r n/t

[Scurrilous]

116. K & R

:thumbsup:

[mzmolly]

117. Hear

hear!

[The Second Stone]

121. The demogogue harpy

Republicans embrace her and want to be her.

[noamnety]

123. Your post is sexist.

The OP is not about whether or not Coulter is a nasty bigoted mean spirited person.

It was about the ethics of people resorting to bigotry when they discuss her, which you've just done.

[Scurrilous]

126. Indeed. n/t