I grew up on the border and I have a theory about conservatives and immigration from Mexico..

[Joanne98]

I think they let them in when the economy is growing to keep down the wages of the citizen workers, then when there's a recession they want to throw them out so they can't become citizens and vote.

It's a pattern and there's another reason why they want to throw them out during a recession

BECAUSE.. If they stayed here and became citizens they won't have an excuse to let MORE of them in next time they need slave labor!

We could say... "We already have the workers you need and they're citizens now. Why don't you just hire them instead of letting in more illegals?" But of course the WHOLE POINT of letting illegals in is that they're illegal with no worker rights. They couldn't explain it to their dumbass supporters.

It wouldn't make any sense and it would expose the cheap labor Republicans evil plot to bring slavery back!

Their secret plan is to run them back over the border until the economy picks back up then let them in again making sure they never have legal status.

That's why THIS time I want them all to become citizens. I'm tired of the con game the conservatives play. If they want slaves they should MOVE to a third world country and STAY THERE!

I'm also fiercely opposed to any work permits of any kind including H1B visas.

I suspect that the Republicans will push for that because it will guarantee slave labor wages for Americans forever!

This issue is one more example of how utterly stupid the conservative base is. They've had their WHOLE LIVES to figure out that the very same people they keep voting for are the ones letting all the illegals in. I mean really. How dumb is that?

[H2O Man]

1. Very good!

Recommended.

[Xipe Totec]

3. +1 nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

2. That's insane-

ly accurate.

[Iggo]

4. Amnesty Now!

[jwirr]

5. That would be a good research paper for someone to look into. It

sounds reasonable but needs documenting.

[Joanne98]

6. There's probably some old book somewhere, that nobody ever read, that

lays out they're whole plan.

"Damn yanks tok mah slaves away, I'll just use teh mexs"

It was probably wrote in the 1800's.


Anyway. I know that's what they do cuz I watched them do it my whole life. Reagan let in a massive amount of immigrants, even though he ran against it, cause he wanted to bust the unions. It happens everytime.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

17. "The Handwriting On The Wall, or REVOLUTION in 1907" by J.C. Cooper

He was a Congressman from Ohio, and wrote the book in 1903. Because he fought the Trusts he was elected by the citizens, but fraudulent voting got him out. He documents the way the fraudulent votes were cast in Kansas City, Mo. He has chapters on Trusts; Corruption, Bribery and Perjury; Trade Unions; strikes; machinery, Child Labor; The Unemployed; The Aristocracy; Poverty; Female Labor; The Fierce Struggle; Education; The Church; The Farmer; Plutocracy; and Panics.

History is just repeating itself. My mom gave me the book from my Great Grandfathers library.

[Curmudgeoness]

7. I agree with most of this. I also know that they want illegals to do their work

for peanuts and keep everyone's wages down.

But I do believe in work visas, and I think that if people are here legally, they will not have to work for as little as they work for when they are illegal. Work visas will also require employers to treat all workers better, knowing that they have a legal right to complain.

[snot]

8. I do believe the main purpose of borders

is to help the overlords control the serfs' movements, among other things.

(It has nothing to do with the welfare of the serfs.)

[EFerrari]

9. The movement of people back and forth always seemed to me

to be so far down the list of priorities for these mofos, they don't even factor it in unless they need it at election time.

The stuff that moves Mexican nationals up here doesn't start at the borders. It starts at the Fed and the IMF and the World Bank and places like that. Not in San Diego or Douglas. Somebody decides that Zelaya is going to cost Chiquita too much money, there's a coup that kills a bunch of people, and then a few thousand Hondurans wind up in Los Angeles. We should move that wall to Wall Street if we really want it to do any good.

[Caliman73]

13. You are correct

That is also something that no one ever wants to talk about. The United States has been actively involved in destabilizing Latin American countries since the 1850's when Southern filibusters went south to try to take over lands to make them plantations and in the 1900's when Smedley Butler and the Marines were fighting the "Banana Wars" to our involvement with the Contras and now with companies like Bechtel trying to make it illegal for citizens of Bolivia to collect rain water.

All of that interference leads to economic instability and political repression which drives migration northward.

[EFerrari]

15. I was listening to Greg Grandin last night and he explained (to me)

why Obama is re-militarizing Latin America after Bush abandoned it. Grandin pointed out that the US ability to control Latin America was the way our power has been projected to the rest of the world.

Because there is no real reason, no threat that justifies new bases in Honduras, Panama, Colombia and Costa Rica, is there?

[Caliman73]

18. Actually watch the documentary Blue Gold.

I do not doubt that force projection is part of it. We have always had our Monroe Doctrine mentality.

The documentary is based on the book Water Wars. It is depressing but important. Bush never really abandoned Latin America. His family has secretly been buying up huge tracts of land down there. Give it a look. Very revealing.

[2Design]

10. why are mexicans targetted - what about India

ARe mexicans democrats and India people mostly republican like jindal and all the gas station owners and mcdonalds owners

[bear425]

11. Congressman Raul Grijalva was on Tweety last night

saying essentially that. There is little real interest in passing real immigration reform, as the issue is used over and over for political and financial purposes. I really enjoyed Chris's skewering of the repuke in the segment. I hope it's posted some time - worth watching.

edit: speeeling

[Juche]

12. Yeah I know

There is a dichotomy, the xenophobes in the GOP hate foreigners but the corporate interests backing the GOP love having a pool of young, healthy labor that are afraid to report abuses to authority and have low standards for wages and benefits. Obviously, the corporate wing always wins out.

[MadMaddie]

14. I agree with your analysis but I would add one more thing

I think you need to contemplate the "Hispanic Voting" block if they become naturalized citizens. The Right does not want a growing Hispanic voting population voting for Democratic folks.

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. It all made more sense back in the day when every American was

involved in the war effort.

But you're right about that last part. The Republicans kept blaming the Democrats for allowing them to become citizens, but it was private businesses that needed them for cheap labor. An interesting conundrum.