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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:33 PM
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Hydrinos and clean energy... still hoping this isn't snake oil.
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 12:36 PM by HysteryDiagnosis
www.BlackLightPower.com

Click on the latest "What's New" or just click here:http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/21cm-1%20paper072210S.pdf


ABSTRACT


Classical physical laws predict that atomic hydrogen may undergo a catalytic reaction
with certain species including itself that can accept energy in integer multiples of the potential
energy of atomic hydrogen, m ⋅ 27.2 eV wherein m is an integer. The predicted reaction
involves a resonant, nonradiative energy transfer from otherwise stable atomic hydrogen to the
catalyst capable of accepting the energy. The product is H(1/ p ), fractional Rydberg states of
1 1 1 1
atomic hydrogen called "hydrino atoms" wherein n = , , ,..., ( p ≤ 137 is an integer)
2 3 4 p
replaces the well-known parameter n = integer in the Rydberg equation for hydrogen excited
states. Each atomic hydrino state also comprises an electron, a proton, and a photon, but the
field contribution from the photon increases the binding rather than decreasing it corresponding
to energy desorption rather than absorption. Since the potential energy of atomic hydrogen is
27.2 eV , one or more ( m ) H atoms can act as a catalyst for a given H by accepting
m ⋅ 27.2 eV from it.

Following the nonradiative energy transfer, further energy as characteristic
continuum radiation having a short-wavelength cutoff of m 2 ⋅13.6 eV is released as the hydrino
transitions to a final stable radius of 1/ (1 + m ) that of H. The transition also selectively produces
extraordinary high-kinetic energy H. Hydrino transitions were observed experimentally by the
predicted catalyst excitation, continuum emission, and hot H. Similar to the case with the 21 cm
(1.42 GHz) line of ordinary hydrogen, hydrino atoms were identified by its predicted 642 GHz
spin-nuclear hyperfine transition observed by TeraHz absorption spectroscopy of cryogenically
cooled H2 below 35K.

Hydrinos react to form molecular hydrino and hydrino hydride ions that
are much more stable than the ordinary variants and have characteristic predicted energies,
spectra, and NMR shifts. Synthesized and naturally occurring molecular hydrino were observed
by electron beam excited ro-vibrational spectral emission and proton NMR. Hydrino hydride
ions were observed by proton NMR and XPS. The hydrino continua spectra directly and
indirectly match significant celestial observations and the characteristics of hydrino indicate that
it is the dark matter.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:41 PM
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1. Sounds like something Curly would say,, "Oh! HYDRINOS! nyuk, nyuk,nyuk,nyuk"!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:44 PM
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2. Always thought it was funny that the one with the curly hair was
not Curly. I spent many sleepless nights as a child pondering this very enigma. Nyuk nyuk.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:49 PM
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3. Hey guise, I solved teh enery problem!
Just watch, the corporate shills are going to attack my post!

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:50 PM
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5. Hey! I've got some of those in my house. I've never tried them
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 12:57 PM by MineralMan
that way. Hydrino Power forever!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:36 PM
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10. You'd get more from a Z-Pinch, just bend the cord a
tad

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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:50 PM
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4. I will count on using the energy from this to power my flying car
possibly while playing Duke Nukem Forever.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:04 PM
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8. You should start a website and start collecting orders for your
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 02:06 PM by MineralMan
Hydrino AirCar™. All you'd need would be some artist-concept drawings, some good site content (I can help), and you're on your way to joining the other blue-sky flying car companies. You get a 100 people to put down payments on your "production" model of $10,000, and you're already $1 million ahead of the game. Build some models, including a radio controlled flying model (get a model plane guy to work on this...they love shit like this) and make a Youtube video of it taking off and landing safely (Proof of Concept). Apply for a patent, so you can put Patent Pending on all your literature.

The Youtube video will hit 1,000,000 views in the first month, so you should be able to generate another few million from advance orders. Once you hit the $10-20 million mark, you mysteriously disappear and rumors will begin to circulate about your being kidnapped and murdered by the big corporations to prevent your amazing Hydrino Aircar™ from ever reaching the market.

Then, you relax on the beach with your new-found friend, and your golden.

That's how you do it. Money for nothing, and your chicks for free.

:rofl:

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:52 PM
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6. More Airhead 101 science.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:56 PM
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7. I still haven't seen where this guy has created a working unit
that produced energy. Until that happens, it's just another smoke-blowing exercise. He keeps promising all of these projects, but I don't believe anyone has ever seen this work. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Yet another crackpot energy theory, I think, until you see him actually generating energy with a physical device.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:08 PM
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9. Don't hold your breath. Don't give them money. These guys aren't physicists. nt
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:43 PM
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11. Could anyone translate this please?
Seriously, my brain just won't manage it.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:47 PM
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13. Er um I forgot to put a warning on that..... and while it is true that
I cannot divine out the exact mathematics of it, it seems to imply that we can get free energy for nothing, well not really but some here will imply that. It means that there is latent energy in Hydrogen just as it is found in the wild and that it is possible to extract this energy using a catalytic reactor.

The energy claimed is 200 times greater than by combusting the hydrogen. If this is only half true well it will upset the apple, banana, peach and cumquat cart rather nicely.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:53 PM
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17. Thanks
I just do not have physics brain. Want me to explain a play or a poem, I'm in. Get to higher math and physics.... pffffft. Nothing.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:55 PM
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18. The math I got, the physics kept me in the
lavatory more than I liked.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:12 AM
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26. Translation...
"We want to encourage you to give us money and/or publicize us (so we can get money from other people) by confusing you with a lot of complicated pseudo-scientific jargon. It's our firm belief that we are smarter than you and everybody else, despite not having an actual theory or product. As long as we can dazzle you with a lot of sloppily-used big words and a few meaningless equations, all it will take to snag your cash is a little old-fashioned confidence and salesmanship. We'll go laughing and skipping down the rainbow road with a few million, and you'll never know for sure whether we really had some secret, suppressed magic energy technology. Isn't the evergreen conversation material worth it?"
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:45 PM
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12. Oh geez.
Just realized: I knew this guy. Went to school with him!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:48 PM
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14. Shoulda latched onto that one, yes indeedy. n/t
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:50 PM
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15. LOL...
Well, I didn't know him know him if you know what I mean!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:52 PM
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16. Oh yes, please forgive, some of us have spent more than 10
years in the 60's. Sad but true... I know I'm telling on myself.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:00 PM
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20. :) nt
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:00 PM
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19. Bullshitinos is more like it.
"Send money now!!!!"
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:03 PM
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21. Are they asking for money?? News to me. n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:21 PM
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22. Keep looking, you'll find it. nt
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:38 PM
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23. this is way out of my league but I will limit my questions to 2

1) Since we are talking about hydrogen atoms, how are we overcoming the strong nuclear force which causes these atoms to form molecules?


2) How are we transforming the extraordinary high-kinetic energy to a usable form?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:01 AM
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24. Short version.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/new.shtml


Thermally Reversible Hydrino Catalyst Systems as a New Power Source, R.L. Mills, G. Zhao, K. Akhtar, Z. Chang, J. He, X. Hu, G. Wu, J. Lotoski, G. Chu - Using absolute water-flow calorimetry, the energy balance for representative power and regeneration reactions of four classes of hydrino catalyst systems was determined wherein the formation of hydrinos has 200 times the energy release relative to combustion. The thermal cycle of reactants to products thermally reversed to reactants in a closed system is energy neutral, and the thermal losses (~3%) and energy to replace hydrogen converted to hydrinos (2%) are small compared to the large energy released in forming hydrinos.

Typical parameters measured by absolute water-flow calorimetry were 2-5 times energy gain relative to regeneration chemistry and 7 W cm-3. The predicted molecular hydrino and hydrino hydride products H2(1/4) and H-(1/4) corresponding to 50 MJ/mole H2 consumed were confirmed by the solution 1H NMR peak at 1.2 ppm and XPS peak at 11 eV, respectively. The results indicate that continuous generation of power liberated by forming hydrinos is commercially feasible using simplistic and efficient systems that concurrently maintain regeneration as part of the thermal energy balance.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:04 AM
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25. It is snake oil, sadly.
This BlackLight Power guy has been around for ages. He's already raked in mullions in suckered investments. I guess he won't hang it up until the thing is dead as a doornail, though.
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ElPatricio Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 04:17 PM
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27. Easy to be cynical
Considering what's at stake, I'd give Randell Mills some slack in his quest for clean, cheap energy.

I've been following Mills' hydrino theory for the better part of a decade, and believe there's enough "there" there to withhold judgment.

I'm not qualified to evaluate his theory's math, but for every skeptic Mills also has well-qualified supporters who challenge the skeptics.

The problem is that his theory is revolutionary, and won't be accepted unless it produces a working device that exploits the fractional hydrogen the theory predicts.

But there's plenty of reasons to take his theory and experiments seriously. He may not have the theory completely right, but labs following his directions have produced puzzling amounts of excess energy in the form of heat.

His board of directors includes a couple highly qualified energy professionals who were tasked with examining his claims, and came on board after reviewing his work. His company has signed licensing agreements with seven companies, including three publicly owned firms, to build power plants. He has hired a heavyweight PR firm, Hill & Knowlton, to represent Blacklight Power.

We won't have to wait long to see if Mills is full of hot air or not. If he has discovered new properties of the simplest atom, then the physical universe is more deterministic than quantum mechanics predicts. And there's nothing wrong with that!
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