What made you feel worse, Bush* selected in 2000 or in 2004?

[Winterblues]

In 2000 I was angry and very upset. The election was blatantly stolen. However when Bush* came out winner in 2004 my heart felt ripped out of my body. I could not believe America, the America I grew up in, could actually elect such a criminal...I went into a state of Depression for almost a full year after that election. I now realize the America I grew up in, the America that does not torture, and the America that believes in following the Constitution, is no longer a reality, so anything is possible. Republicans could actually take back control of America and really finish it off. Scary times are upon us..and yet I have not heard a single Democratic Campaign Ad. Republican Ads, every hour on the hour, and not a peep from the Democrats in my neck of the woods..Is the strategy to just saturate the airwaves a month before the election. That usually gets to me, hearing the same ad hour after hour, day after day in an onslaught. I hope they spread it out and have a variety. There is a hell of a lot to campaign on IMO.

[lame54]

1. 2004 - i was more in tune with what was going on...

and I couldn't believe he conned sooo many people into voting for him

[liberalmike27]

2. I'm going with 2000

The election thievery was more obvious, and I think I had more hope then.

Kerry was a lot more sketchy than Gore, though look at where Liebermann has gone, or was, perhaps. People say Nader was the reason. He lost the minute he chose droopy dog.

[Webster Green]

3. Ohio was rigged in 2004, if that makes it better.

I haven't "gotten over" either one of them. :mad:

[MorningGlow]

4. 2004 for sure

In 2000, I'm ashamed to say now--even though I was furious that the Supremes decided the outcome of the election and I knew Gore was robbed--I sort of laughed and thought resignedly, "Well, so what? We'll suffer through four years of this doofus and then pick up where we left off. What harm can he do, really?"

Eeeeesh. x(

In 2004, we should have known better. :banghead:

[n2doc]

9. 2004, agreed

For me it was because it confirmed that a large number of Americans were beyond redemption.

[truebrit71]

5. I'd have to say 2004.

In 2000 I was in shock. I simply couldn't believe that the giggling moron from CT stood a chance and felt 100% secure in the knowledge that the SCOTUS with it's 'States Rights' stance up to that point would rule in favour of Gore and the recount would show that Al Gore had indeed won in FL...

In 2004 I was angry that they could steal 2 elections in a row so blatantly and the media would just let them get away with it..

[LargeGreenSpider]

6. 2000

Because it was then that it became clear that the M$M was fully complicit in the theft, with its "Let's just move on" bullshit in Dec 2000. Also, it was fully amazing that the US could go weeks without even knowing who won a damned election and then have SCOTUS illegally stop a state recount to pick a president with a simple 5-4 vote. The entire scene was so revolting, so bizarre, I will never forget it. Even now, the M$M avoids telling this tale of what truly - truly - was America's darkest moments.

[Uncle Joe]

28. I agree 2000 and for the same reason

Because it was then that it became clear that the M$M was fully complicit in the theft, with its "Let's just move on" bullshit in Dec 2000. Also, it was fully amazing that the US could go weeks without even knowing who won a damned election and then have SCOTUS illegally stop a state recount to pick a president with a simple 5-4 vote. The entire scene was so revolting, so bizarre, I will never forget it. Even now, the M$M avoids telling this tale of what truly - truly - was America's darkest moments.

It was more painful to me as well because I came to the realization that our vaunted "Fourth Estate" trashed the leading political champion for opening up the Internet to the American People instead of giving Gore his due credit. As a long time addicted news hound this was particularly repulsive to me coming from an institution that couldn't exist without the First Amendment.

Then a "states rights" dominated Supreme Court overruled a state's right to conduct it's own election.

There were so many obvious injustices leading up to that coup that Bush couldn't walk to his inauguration without ducking in to his limo; and having it turned in to a omelet. I knew he was a corrupt, incompetent from the beginning in spite of the corporate media camouflaging his obvious shortcomings.

When the corporate media gave Florida to Bush; the night of the election, my last words before going to sleep were "God help us all" and I'm not a religious person.

[WinkyDink]

7. 2004. SCOTUS venality is one thing; the abject stupidity of fellow citizens quite another.

[pipi_k]

8. 2004. It literally made me ill n/t

[no_hypocrisy]

10. I cried when Kerry conceded. Wept.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

13. Why didn't he contest Ohio?

I'll never forgive him.

[Drops_not_Dope]

21. Really

that should be the question of the OP.

What made you feel worse, the selection or Kerry giving it away in 2004?

[RT Atlanta]

11. 2004

Felt like we came so close, but the stupidity of the American electorate (and perhaps a little vote rigging in Ohio) won the day and gave us "4 more years" to let the junta "finish the business" of imploding and bankrupting the United States of America - like every other "business" that GWB has ever been associated with.

[Libby2]

12. It's hard to say,

they both made me ill. I still haven't recovered.

[Edweird]

14. 2004. In 2000 I was ambivalent

I saw 2 sons of privilege and wasn't involved. Interestingly, I was working for a contractor at a Palm Beach County building while this was going down - not at the courthouse but not too far away either.

[Bitwit1234]

15. Well you could realize that the republicans were crooks,

and will always and forever be crooks. That if they can't steal elections like they do, then they manufacture hate, violence and urge to riots. I don't know where these people involved from in this country, THAT IS WHAT IS SO DISTURBING. Most of those that support and commit the hate and violence are dirt poor. What urges them on to this type of behavior. The only ones benefiting are big business and the super rich. Are they so stupid, so dumb and ignorant not to know that Fox and Rush and all the right wing hate manglers are the ones who also benefit.

[woodsprite]

16. Definitely 2004.

I was mad about 2000, but thought we may have dodged a bit of a bullet by not having Lieberman be a VP. In 2004, well, that's when I joined DU looking for people who felt the same way I did.

[Doremus]

17. 2004 was personally devastating. Much more so than 2000.

2004 confirmed how easily we can be manipulated, and how large a percentage of our elected officials are corrupt.

[newspeak]

19. In 2000, I knew the election had been stolen

but, thought maybe Little Boots won't do too much damage before the next election. Little did I know how much damage he would get away with. I knew he was a war monger just by some of his public comments, especially about his dad, but that maybe there would be cooler, more rational heads, to keep in line. I didn't know about the PNAC agenda at the time.

2004 was worse for me. I remember Studs Turkel's comment, "I'll always trust the American people to do the right thing", it proved to me that I don't trust the American public to do the right thing for their own behalf. I remember, (how convenient), the OBL tape that was made public during the election--yeah, OBL using reverse psychology on the clueless. In 2004, I lost faith in a majority of the American people. And, I knew that if Little Boots won again, he'd escalate Iraq, which he did, and thousands more were murdered.

[Skidmore]

18. Now, neither.

Actually, the prospect of * Reduxe on Steroids and Bat Shit Crazy 2010 or 2012 makes me feel worse. And if it happens, I won't blame the Rs or the Is for it either.

[Sebastian Doyle]

20. Honestly, what made me feel worst of all is when the 2004 election was REALLY lost

And that's in January. Gibbs, VilSuck, and other DLC pieces of shit ensured that the man who would have slaughtered the Chimp in November wouldn't have the opportunity. And just think where this country could be right now if the Bush Crime Family had been tossed out on their ass in January 2005.




America lost its best opportunity to reverse the last 30 years of damage, when those traitorous DLC bastards sabotaged this great man. Damn them all to HELL :evilfrown:

[BrklynLiberal]

23. I supported the doctor as well. Went up to Nashua to help out.

[BrklynLiberal]

22. You stated my feelings very accurately.

I could not believe that after what had happened the first four years that he could be allowed back into the White House.

The rest of the world agreed, I believe.


I remember very clearly, listening to Air America...Al Franken was still there.. very late in the evening/early morning of the day after Election Day. When he announced that Kerry was conceding..I could hear his tears in his voice..Made me cry even more.

[DCBob]

24. 2000 was bad enough but 2004 was the real killer.. I could not believe this country was so stupid..

to elect that moron twice... and we had to face four more years of it. It was like geting 4 years added onto a prison sentence when you thought you about to get out.

[Vickers]

25. 2000...I live in Florida, and it made me sick. n/t

[Robyn66]

26. 2004

There was no excuse- people should have known better.

[OwnedByFerrets]

27. 2004,,,,it was then that I fully appreciated how fucking stupid

Americans are/were.

[sinkingfeeling]

29. 2004. I had promised a dying friend that we'd get rid of Bush.

[dtexdem]

30. 2004 was way worse -- because Dubya should have been redefeated.

It took Americans until the summer/fall of 2006 to realize just how horrible the Bushistas were.