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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:14 PM
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Teachers Cheated of Their Pensions While Banksters Enjoy Tax Payer Funded Bonuses
The veteran teacher at your son’s school is not being fired, because she does not do her job. She gets amazing results, considering that her school is

1. Under funded
2. The classrooms are too crowded
3. The kids come to school hungry
4. There is no health care available to treat their many medical problems
5. And the economy has forced many parents from their homes, requiring the kids to change school frequently as they are shuffled from one relative’s house to another.

Right now, it has become fashionable in certain (government) circles to criticize teachers for not lifting kids up by their bootstraps---kids that society has failed. The teacher has to be the social worker, the doctor, the nutritionist and the counselor, because we do not want to pay someone else to do these jobs.

In order to lure people to take on this difficult and often frustrating task, local governments offer generous benefits. Teachers do not make the highest wages, but they have good health insurance, time off for vacations---and they are all guaranteed a pension, like any other dedicated government worker who chooses not to pursue higher paying work in the private sector.

Apparently, state and local governments never really intended to keep their part of the bargain. If they had, they would have made sure that teachers’ retirement funds were solvent.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/State-teacher-pension-plans-face-nearly-1-trillion-in-unfunded-liabilities-90859729.html

The Manhattan Institute has an alarming new report out on teacher pension plans. Either some big changes need to be made, or state taxpayers across the country are going to have to cough up $933 billion to pay for the unfunded pension liabilities of public school teachers

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The report also debunks the persistant myth that underfunded public-sector pension plans are in trouble because of the downturn in the economy. In fact the report finds that only a $116 billion of the $933 billion in unfunded liabilities "is attributable to the stock market drop precipitated by the 2007 financial crisis."


Teachers pensions were never appropriately funded. States never intended to make good on their promises.

The next bit of editorializing is important:

In other words, there's no escaping the conclusion that politicians were either too generous in bestowing absurd retirement benefits to their valued union constituencies, too susceptible to union arm-twisting, or both. But the problem is structural, and not a temporary blip in the economy.

The government lured teachers to do difficult work with promises of benefits they were never going to pay. Now the government is attempting to whitewash its own illegal and immoral behavior by blaming the victim. The problem, according to the Washington Examiner and the Manhattan Institute, is not that government made promises it never intended to keep. No, the problem is that foolishly generous politicians bowed to the “absurd” demands of greedy unions.

Now, think about that for a moment. Politicians love to give tax breaks to the rich. They love to give bailouts to criminally negligent banksters. They will get on TV and tell you that this is money well spent “stimulating the economy.” And few in the mainstream media complain about the “greedy wealthy” or “greedy corporations.”

At the same time, corporate lackeys in the news media will claim that education spending is frivolous—it is breaking the budget---even though education spending does more to stimulate the economy than tax breaks and corporate welfare. They will attempt to portray public servants, like teachers, as less deserving than Dick Cheney’s Halliburton and Morgan Chase ("too big to fail"). Money spent honoring our contractual obligations to public servants can be better spent---as tax breaks for the wealthy.

Why would the corporate media attempt to spoon feed us this horseshit? Because it is “the corporate media”. It is owned by a handful of extremely wealthy and powerful companies, who, like Blanche Dubois in A Streetcar Named Desire depend upon the kindness of (taxpaying) strangers to keep their corporate jets in the air and their CEO salaries seven digits.

The hunger of the elite for dwindling public funds means that others will have to do without. Teachers are among the most numerous public servants. Contrary to reports from the mainstream media, they are not the most highly paid public servants. Check out this table comparing teachers’ salaries in 2009 dollars from 1950 to the present. Average pay has gone from $36,000 to $53,000.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d09/tables/dt09_078.asp

Note that the average wage for a registered nurse is closer to $90,000. Why is the corporate media silent when discussing the salaries nurses make? Maybe because nurses are necessary for hospitals and doctors to make even more money. All teachers do is attempt to give every child an opportunity to learn---

And “opportunity for all” is a suspect goal, at best, in a corporate fascist state like ours.





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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:18 PM
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1. K&R
I cant believe a Democratic administration would do something like this.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:19 PM
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2. Believe it, they are doing it. Right out in the open.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:22 PM
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35. Yup.
n/t
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:27 PM
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6. i can. it's been in the works since the DLC took control of the dim party.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:38 PM
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10. Jerry Brown finally got his act together long enoough to put out an ad
About the fact that he is running for governor of California.

And there, right in the ad, right up front, he is insisting that state workers should have to start paying into the system more, and that there pensions need to be scaled back?

Why is this such a big concern? Raise the damn rate on the billionaire hedge fund managers, who pay in at the mandated rate of fifteen percent, while teachers, nurses fire fighters and police pay a tax rate of over twenty percent. Raise the damn rate on the fund hedge managers to 25 % and put the excess of the extra ten percent in a fund to bail out the states.

As it stands now, most people paying for their pensions at the County State of Fed level are paying 9% with their taxes being twenty percent or more.

Then add in the local taxes, unemployment insurance etc, a lot of workers are paying more than 34% of their income - and usually to have one of these "peachy" jobs, you have to live in one of the expensive metro areas as well.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:00 AM
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20. brown is not the liberal hero some think he is. & he never was. he's onboard with ed deform &
charter schools.

but whitman, of course, is worse.

the classic voting "choice." bad & badder.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:20 PM
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3. K and R
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:21 PM
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4. k and r
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:23 PM
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5. Didnt you get the memo? Teachers will do the stoop labor the illegals used to.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:30 PM
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7. Thank you..
... president Obama.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:32 PM
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8. Where has all this pension money gone?
Who's been managing it?

Why are they allowed to use it for anything but pensions?
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:35 PM
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9. the same folks that would manage everyones Social Security funds
or the privatized version of same. They'd allow the rubes to invest their hard earned dollars in the stock market and every now and then correct the amount of profit realized. Kinda like the last meltdown that took a minimum of a third from most 401ks or other retirement plans.

You have to understand, that money is used to build mansions in Greece or on islands we'll only see in movies. If you aren't part of the club, you'll never be a member.

Peace, because the alternative really sucks.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:40 PM
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11. Here are some ways that Texas Teachers Retirement Fund has been misused
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 05:42 PM by McCamy Taylor
Fund money invested in bankrupt Chicago area company:

http://www.ketknbc.com/news/texas-teachers-invest-500m-in-bankrupt-company

Rick Perry raids teachers fund to give money to his toll road buddies who can not get money from a bank:

http://www.selectsmart.com/DISCUSS/read.php?16,772122,772122,quote=1
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:21 PM
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15. In many cases it the actuarily appropriate amount was never paid in.
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 07:22 PM by ProgressiveProfessor
In California, the "rates of return" needed for PERS solvency are laughable
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:21 AM
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21. It was never there to begin with.
Say state has an 1000 employees and the total required pension contribution is say $5 mil. The city is a little short so they put in $3.5 million and they will make up the rest next year. Well next year comes and they are short again so they put in $3 million. A decade of doing that passes and slowly this unfunded liability is growing (and compounding due to the effects of missing principle and time). Then a major crisis hits so they freeze all pension contributions for 2 years. $0 of the $10 million mandatory contribution.

Fast forward 30 years and the govt is billions behind in pension payments.

Now if you ran a business and did this you would be in jail but somehow cities and states get away with it every day.


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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:13 PM
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39. Thank to Bush and conservadems they just pass the cost off to the feds
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:40 AM
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31. In Illinois it was never there
Granted, Illinois politicians are especially corrupt. But pension payments were never made. There was no money to manage. And what money there was to manage was sent to politically connected money managers who made HUGE commissions. This was bipartisan white-collar patronage on a grand scale.

I have no idea how the pensions will be paid.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:34 PM
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47. They've never put in enough to fund it to actuarial levels.
That's what's known as "underfunded."
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:55 PM
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12. i wish i could rec this more than once. it's criminal.
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 05:58 PM
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13. Truth!
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:20 PM
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14. All public pensions are underfunded, have been for years
It is only recently that how underfunded has become known.

The claim that public employees are underpaid compared to private employees does not get a lot of traction these days. In fact in the teaching profession, private school teachers never make anywhere near what public school ones do.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:41 AM
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25. Well said. And it's not just public pensions underfunded
Isn't anybody old enough to remember when companies offered pensions to their employees as well? Today none of them exists anymore. Since the start of Ronny Raygun's corporate runaway plan pensions have been dropping like flies.

Public pensions are merely the latest victim of the ongoing class war being waged against us.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:29 AM
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29. I am no longer a supporter of defined benefit (old style) pensions) for industry or government
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 11:30 AM by ProgressiveProfessor
They rely on the company being around when you retire and it assumes longevity at a single employer. Neither assumption is valid today. I support a stronger defined contribution approach which means it is portable and fully funded.

To manage that kind of system on a national level, some espouse a government run approach, others prefer a 401K. I think a hybrid of some sort is called for. It has tremendous advantages to us as a nation in terms of investment capital as well.

When it comes to government pensions, the Feds in the mid 80s went to a mixed model dominated by a 401 like defined contribution approach. Its called FERS (Federal Employee Retirement System), and the Fed unions seem satisfied with it. I see no reason why something like it could not be done across all level of civil service, at least for new employees.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:10 PM
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38. I agree. The unfunded, underfunded status of pensions makes me not want one even if it were availal
I will take my 401K in my name please (which I can roll-over into an IRA totally divorced from my employer).

The one thing Congress should do it force companies to provide a real 401K. Any company not offering a pension should provide a 5% contribution into 401K for all full time employees.

All 401K plans should have at a minimum:
a) conservative balance fund (mix of treasuries, stocks, and corporate bonds to minimize volatility)
b) index fund (to minimize fees)
c) treasury only fund (for maximum security)
d) money market fund (cash for liquidity).
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 06:41 PM
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51. What you describe is what FERS is today.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 03:28 PM
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45. Right.
FERS matched employee contributions up to a certain amount, but there is no limit on how much an employee can invest. There are also various investment funds where they elect to put their money. These plans run from high risk growth to very conservative. Also, the employees can manage these investments on line. The argument shouldn't be about whether or not public employees deserve decent pension plans. It should be about why private sector workers don't have them anymore, and how it could possibly benefit them if public servants didn't have them either.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 06:41 PM
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50. I agree but there are those here holding tooth and nail to defined benefit which is not viable
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:24 PM
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16. Thanks for putting this out there. nt
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 10:56 PM
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17. Thank you for posting..this is a disgrace!..There needs to be heads rolling in the Teachers Union
Leadership..there is no excuse for this ..none! eom
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 11:22 PM
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18. Well, now...
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 11:24 PM by chervilant
I have looked into withdrawing the meager amount of money I have in my "teacher's retirement" account, so that I can move to another state to live with a friend of mine rent free until this blighted economy 'turns around.' I've found that it will take eight weeks to get the resources I am rightfully owed, and I have to sign documents that assert that I will 'never' pursue being a teacher ever again. So much for my career change goals...

I have been under-employed or unemployed since my first (and only) contractual position as a 7th grade math teacher two years ago. My first (and only) official principal decided I was "the worst first year teacher she ever hired" and forced me to resign in lieu of a 'non-renewal' (which would have meant I would never have been hired again in that district). I am still unclear about why she thought I was "the worst first year teacher she ever hired." My students routinely tell me that I 'help {them} learn more math than any teacher they've ever had' and my veteran teacher friends were as blind-sided by her decision as was I...

I cannot sit for my certification until a principal recommends me to become certified. And, I am competing in a job market wherein over 30,000 CERTIFIED teachers have tossed their hats in the ring (these teachers are from California, New York and New Jersey--and were 'laid off' when these states went through drastic budget cuts in order to remain solvent). I sit here facing homelessness because I cannot get hired as a teacher...

The biggest irony? I am a total math geek, and I love teaching. I have an IQ of 140, and I've consistently made perfect or near perfect scores on all of my required tests. I've learned to create lesson plans that make the math concepts I'm teaching relevant to my students, and I've created 'visual instructional plans' (a la Fred Jones) that make such concepts as transformations of functions and completing the square easy for my students to understand.

None of this matters ONE iota, since I'm attempting to become a teacher in Texas, where the BOE successfully rammed through their conservative agenda. I cannot dumb down enough; I cannot change who I am enough to get hired as a teacher...

I am, as I've already indicated, ready to throw in the towel, and move to a rural location where I will likely be unable to find work unless it's at the local Wally World. IF they'll hire me...

My story is only one of hundreds of thousands of similar stories across the nation. There will come a time when We The People will rise up and cast off these shackles of radical income inequity forged by the rampant hedonism of the Corporate Megalomaniacs who've usurped our nation and our media. When that time arrives, what else, I ask you, will we have to lose?
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:57 AM
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19. Absurd retirement benefits.
Noticed that the Manhattan Institute paper was "co-sponsored by the Foundation for Educational Choice." But I digress.

As you would expect, the Examiner jumps to the conclusion that state pension funds became underfunded because "politicians were either too generous in bestowing absurd retirement benefits to their valued union constituencies, too susceptible to union arm-twisting, or both." They know that the union members and bosses are the bad guys in the story- they're just not sure what exactly they did.

While it is obvious that our politicians are culpable in the matter of underfunded/over-promised pensions, I think the primary accessory to this budgetary flim-flam is not the unions, but the electorate. You can't elect politicians based only on their promises to keep down taxes, totally ignore the debit side of the ledger, and then expect a responsible result. But that's what has been happening. The wake-up call is going to be ugly.

Been watching this sad situation play out in New Jersey for years. Article here: http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/12/news/economy/benner_pension.fortune/index.htm









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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:23 AM
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22. the chart shows the real problem
no progress in salaries, or very, very little since 1987 when salaries averaged $52,629 compared to today at $52,984. That's a growth rate of just .03% per year. Part of the Reaganomics squeeze.

Still, it is hard for me to feel sorry for somebody who makes $50,000 a year. I make about $13,000 and even if I worked full time (and woke up every morning in pain) I would only make about $28,000. If I made $50,000 a year I would be saving so much that I would not worry about my retirement.

As it turns out, my retirement is the same as it is for teachers in Kansas, we are all in KPERS. The lack of pension funding for state and local government workers affects more than just teachers.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:43 AM
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23. K & R nt
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 05:15 AM
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24. terribly sad to renege on pensions for anyone! The 90K average wage
for a nurse seems quite high. I would reckon it's closer to teachers' 53K than to 90K. Let's not crap on the nurses. Both professions are incredibly difficult work and primarily female.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:46 AM
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26. Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne Arne
McCamy, get with the program and quit whining.

"Firing teachers"

"Firing teachers"

Call the Whambulance

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In case its needed: :sarcasm:
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:11 AM
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27. K and R
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:19 AM
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28. Teachers have been the reich's whipping boy forever, but the woodchucks seem to
decided they are an easy target as well.

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:32 AM
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30. Absolutely
The teachers were used to elect these people - and they never give a damn what is happening past the next election.

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:42 AM
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32. One more thing - isn't this out fault?
We vote for these scumbags. We did not keep our eyes on the books and looked the other way.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 12:06 PM
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33. Karma's a bitch
Wait until the next election.

K&R
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:20 PM
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34. K&R
n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:31 PM
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36. Cannot be said enough times..in too may different ways..in too many different places,
I cannot help but believe it is union busting....all the way.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 01:56 PM
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37. Yes. It is.
There is an entire generation of thirty-somethings who believe that unions are obsolete...and maybe even the cause of jobs going overseas.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:36 PM
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48. And a lot of them call themselves "self employed and proud of it" - they are dishonest cretins.
I've had to deal with too many of them in my relatively liberal town.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:15 PM
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40. What nurses are making close to $90,000??? I never met one, and I certainly
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 02:16 PM by NC_Nurse
never made even CLOSE to that much. More like half that - on a good year.

on edit: I fully support teachers, my daughter is one. I know they are overworked and underpaid. But PLEASE don't throw nurses under the bus, we are in the same boat.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:22 PM
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41. My sister is a nurse, and she doesn't make anywhere near that either.
???
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:40 PM
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42. Yep. WTF?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:44 PM
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43. Maybe we live in the wrong place.
In Magicland they pay their nurses what they're worth.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 02:49 PM
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44. LOL. How do I get there?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 04:32 PM
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46. But but but... Arne Dunkin said...
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 04:33 PM by Fearless
:banghead:



Oh wait then there's what I have to say...

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cjbgreen Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 05:19 PM
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49. A Plea to All Professional Educators Who Do Care about Learning!
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 05:47 PM by cjbgreen
So that the public feels good, the bankers create the myth that don't worry, most teachers are bad, and who out there would ever argue that he/she wants bad teachers in the classroom. And who out there didn't have or hear of at least one bad teacher. So Gates, Broad, WaPo hire a hit man (Michelle Rhee) who knows nothing about education and is characterized as "the reformer" whose reform efforts are fire, humiliate, bully, sneer, lie, brag, cheat and ignore professionalism. Her two goals, self promotion enabled by corporate interest and breaking the union under the guise of raising test scores devastates students, communities, and education. Teachers unfairly fired are considered collateral damage. I never joined a union not as a young teacher, nor during any of my 20 years as an educator. I earned a doctorate, worked in the public and private sector and led organizations where all students achieved. My passion for education has never waned and I believe all children can learn. NOT UNDER THE CONDITIONS OR VALUES BEING PROMOTED by the corporate face that tells you reform is about firing and not about learning. All educators who know how to create cultures where children succeed need to speak out and fight for real reform that builds a culture where all children succeed and the evidence is based on multiple measures.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 07:50 PM
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52. Better than macain?
mcain and his hill-billy tart were the worst the republican could do. They surely would have been horrible.

But in the case of education, teachers and children might have fared better. There is no way that Democrats would have backed these kinds of things coming from republicans. The grass roots would have organized a million teacher march on Washington. Move On would have raised millions to combat the fulfillment of ronald reagan's dream for education. Democratic senators would have filibustered. DU would have been in full on attack mode against making bill bennet's fantasies a reality.

But we have a Democratic president who is doing these things and Democratic institutions are silent. Half of DU itself devises twisted excuses and finds itself justifying the actions with neocon talking points.

Shame on any Democrat who goes along with this. Shame.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:19 AM
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53. Kick
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 12:14 PM
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54. You've made some great points
I agree, Democrats would not have tolerated the actions against education if a Republican was at the helm. I think the double standard is especially troublesome. Many give a pass to Republican policies if a "Dem" president enacts them. This is wrong on so many levels. The party is bigger than one individual, even if that individual is the president. If he doesn't act as a Democrat, is he really representing us?
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:14 PM
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55. He hasn't represented me for some time.
I spent much energy and time for his campaign for the office. Not one person that I visited in their homes said they wanted this. None of the teachers who were working on my team had any idea that our Democratic president would campaign so hard for republican education ideas. He couldn't be bothered to go to bat for public option or for better banking rules, but when corporate education calls, he mans the bully pulpit and threatens vetoes.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 04:39 AM
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57. "If he doesn't act as a Democrat, is he really representing us?"
Is it not better to just embrace our differences as members of the democratic party rather than go down the same road the republicans are traveling on currently of saying their members must conform and toe the party line in one direction?
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cjbgreen Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 02:00 PM
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58. no and no
Destroying a viable public system of educating children and dismantaling regulation and oversight that protects the institution and frankly is anti-poor is reprehensible. Being more republican than a repbublican is not acceptable. I am not a union member. But his policies go against the core values of our country. I can not imagine voting for a republican. But I will look beyond a candidate's label.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 04:24 PM
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59. Now where in my post did I say I agreed with that policy hmm?
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 04:29 PM
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60. +1
Well said.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:44 AM
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56. OK, I'll grant ya its wrong of the government
to fail at keeping a promise to fund pensions and if they have done so then they need to fix it but I also dont buy the whole argument that the government "lured" them, thats not to say there probably arent some who became teachers for the pensions. Mind you I'm sure there are some who did just like there are some who joined the military just for the benefits and money but I'm willing to bet most of the teachers became teachers because they wanted to help children.
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cjbgreen Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 01:49 PM
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61. Teachers
Bonus pay is not what motivates most teachers! Yes unions advocate for better working conditions and salary but that is not why teachers choose this profession. One more aspect of Race to the Top ( I think racing leaves most behind and those at the top bypass important lessons that ultimately are destructive (what a superficial label, reminds me of BP's oil capper labels.
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