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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:07 PM Original message |
This Graph is damn scary |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. So? |
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haikugal (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yeah But...... |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. So? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. You talk about limited resources..... |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. You wrote, "so" to imply overpopulation is not a problem. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Over-population is a problem by tautology |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
93. I agree with the meat of your point but no matter what humans are resource |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
54. I have to disagree with you on this one, my friend.... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 02:12 AM Response to Reply #54 |
116. 1 small country, the US, consumes (e.g.) about 25% of the world's oil. |
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WonderGrunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
87. Then we really need to increase our bombing of Aghan babies |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. we're currently the biggest consumers of energy & resources |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Yep, and thats a huge problem with the notion of globalization |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. yes, |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. I definitely agree there |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. yes, |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Don't forget though |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
103. yes, |
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Jigglebilly (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
114. dang nabbit I shoulda followed this subthread before I weighed in below :) |
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Jigglebilly (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
113. yeah but a lot of those developing countries are surging to achieve parity with Western lifestyles.. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. Such trends are unsustainable |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yet it seems to be a taboo issue - Yeah, like Peak Oil. Which, btw, will go |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. No kidding! Wanna know how to empty a room in 30 seconds? |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. Thom Hartmann says we're living in "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight." |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
79. Even Thom Hartman couldn't get a 10-post discussion going on DU about Peak Oil. |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
5. The Vatican's opposition to family planning sure doesn't help. |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
100. You learn something knew everyday. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
6. This will not go down until "Be Fruitful and Multiply" is no longer believed. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
8. Malthusian growth by definition is unstable |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
66. The crux of the matter, of course, is the manner in which the "not lasting" part will happen. -nt |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Yep. It will be followed by lots and lots of rotting meat |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
9. We don't know if this is scary at all |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. ? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Yes - and I understand them so I know they are specific not holistic |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. ? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. ...and tens of thousands of area Bs with no such problems |
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teknomanzer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
120. Populations tend to aggregate around areas of abundant resourses. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
88. dmallind, you're operating under the mistaken assumption that 100% of the biome is for human use. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
89. Moreover, despite the suburban ideals believed by Americans, overpop =/= density. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. Many scientists are predicting as steep a drop |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Actually the underlying cause of projected drops |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It also correlates with the low status of women |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
90. So you want to quadruple the resource consumption of quadruple the current pop of the planet |
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Ernesto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
12. This is why I was a member of ZPG! |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. ZPG for the win! |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Define "artificially" |
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Ernesto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Try China nt |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. What about it? |
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Ernesto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. IMHO, China's decades old "one child" birth control policy |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. For most the world high number of children is the most beneficial option |
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NoNothing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Fundamentally we don't disagree then |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I would change "standard of living" to |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
128. Leaving aside the tax credit: for one, public education is a cornerstone of civilized democracy. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
15. It is scary. It's been around for a long time. It's why I never |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
21. Just wait until the pandemic! It's gonna be off the hook, yo!!! |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
24. The countries that have food and the military to protect it will rule. |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
99. The corporations that have a military to protect them will rule. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
31. We just need more control over womens' bodies |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
32. We slashed infant mortality without slashing birthrates. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. To compensate, everyone should report to the SleepShop at 21 years of age |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Birthrates have been going down for awhile. (nt) |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. How the relative difference is what maters. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. "going down," not "has gone down" |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Once again the relative change is what matters. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #57 |
117. world total fertility rate 1995-2002 = 2.82 children. world fertility forecast |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 02:25 AM Response to Reply #32 |
118. no they're not. birthrates have declined in practically every country on earth. |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
37. WE NEED ABORTION. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. You go first |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
70. What a sick fucking post. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
38. Actually growth is already dramatically slowing... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Well there is some debate on that. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. There sure is... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Agreed it certainly is doable. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
40. This one might make you feel slightly better: |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
91. The standard model for whose population growth? |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #91 |
123. Any population, specifically not limited to humans. |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
47. "The population explosion is just a left wing scare tactic. |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
48. This graph is ALSO |
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FooshIt (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. why graph it on a logarithmic scale |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Because that's the proper way to graph the data. |
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FooshIt (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
74. the rate of growth is not what is important |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Of course rate of growth is important. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #77 |
92. US pop is consuming exponentially more resources (land, food, cars, homes, computers) each year. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. "US pop is consuming exponentially more resources each year. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Logarithmic graph ? your post makes no sense , it is not about the graph |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Of course it's "about the graph" |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Here is logarithmic graph... |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Less a graph of facts than of assumptions. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Well any projeciton has to be based on assumptions. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 02:32 AM Response to Reply #67 |
119. africa is also the least densely populated continent outside antarctica, & the poorest. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. you've just explained one of the properties of exponential growth... |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. A common fallacy. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. I don't think they have been wrong.... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
94. The present population is unsustainable EVEN IF it were steady state. You are comparatively wealthy |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
50. Mom... you remember Mom Nature, don't you.... |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
61. It actually correlates with Peak Oil and will likely follow it down as well. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
95. Oil equals food |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
64. I've argued with people here on DU saying that they don't want big brother to tell them |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. So- you're in favor of telling the people *in the countries where population growth is exploding* |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. Again-it's not rocket science and you know it. There is a population explosion problem |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. However the govt can NOT ENCOURAGE it. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I didn't reply to your post #75 in case you didn't notice-I replied to someone else. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. oops. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. No worries...it happens. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I had such a good misplaced rant going though... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
105. No, I'm the one you were throwing your incoherent, spittle-laced insults at. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #105 |
110. The population explosion is EVERYWHERE in case you haven't noticed. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. No. It's not. Whether Southern California is overcrowded (who knew?!) is beside the point. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #111 |
124. Your arguments are ridiculous in this day and age. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. The chart is "bullshit"? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
104. Wow. Touchy, huh? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Subsidies were put into place to encourage population growth. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
106. I think 3 things make the most sense: Improved economic conditions, easy access to contraception |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. US could benefit from an EVEN LOWER birth rate. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Having a negative birth rate here would do diddly shit for the places where population growth is a |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
73. Here's another graph for you: |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
78. "a taboo issue that no one likes to talk about" |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
81. in fact, that is the best possible growth curve for human population to have.... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
96. Actually, the black death resulted in a flowering of wealth & culture due to the resulting surplus. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. sorry, I must not have been clear.... |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
101. Round figures only |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 02:51 AM Response to Reply #101 |
121. huh? |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
102. I agree that this is actually fundamentally linked to peak-oil and global warming... |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-26-10 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
108. Don't worry. I drove through Vermont last weekend. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
112. No doubt our population growth is troubling, but what is the solution? nt |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #112 |
125. Nature has a solution waiting for us. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
115. Indeed it is. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
122. Oh great. Malthusian BS. |
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UndertheOcean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. Ok , I'll bite , why is it bullshit ? |
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