white men want a "john wayne" type president.

[DesertFlower]

i heard this a little while ago on the Ed show. obama is too calm and professorial. most white men (especially independents) want a tough guy. they don't connect with obama.

i'm happy to say that my white husband thinks obama is great. he thinks it's wonderful to have an intelligent president.

[arbusto_baboso]

1. What that really means: "White men want a neanderthal president just as dumb as they are."

Sometimes I'm really ashamed to be a white male.

[DesertFlower]

6. my husband who is intelligent and gentle

would agree with you.

he just walked in the door humming a tune.

[Taverner]

56. Yup

Maybe we should have a king. Not the kind that has any real power - but ribbon cutting, leading parades, visiting other kings....

Then white males can have their John Wayne king and we can have an intelligent President

[raccoon]

105. Except that the Neanderthals were probably smarter. nt

[Xenotime]

112. This just proves how hyper-masculine some in our culture are.

It's going to be a while before this is changed in our society.

[AnArmyVeteran]

113. GHW Bush's handlers taught him to walk like John Wayne

In 1988, Bush-duh-First's handlers taught him how to mimic John Wayne's walking style. They couldn't be too obvious and have Bush Sr using words like 'Pilgrim' as John Wayne did in his movies. So they decided to make him physically appear to be like John Wayne. I remember before and after video footage of Bush walking and it was obvious he changed the way he walked to mimic John Wayne. And people fall for this crap...

[Clovis Sangrail]

2. I'm a white man - I fricken' hate John Wayne and all he stood for /nt

[RKP5637]

39. Agree!!! Same here!!! n/t

[Bitwit1234]

43. I can't stand that sing song voice of his and turn his movies off

I would much rather have a soft spoken and gentle person in charge instead of one who rams and rants like a injured bull. I suppose they loved the hell out of Bush flying that plane on to the carrier. He was so out of practice it is a wonder he didn't crash into the guys on the deck. That's the type of stuff that makes you sick. bully bully bully that's all they are. Wouldn't you rather have TOM SELLECK.

[activa8tr]

111. One more white guy here agrees! n/t

[Ikonoklast]

115. Allegedly, John Wayne beat every one of his wives.

He was a mean drunk, according to some of his kids who were witnesses.


Never liked the guy.

[Clovis Sangrail]

119. John Wayne was a nazi

he liked to play SS

[EFerrari]

3. It's hard to believe that anyone over the age of 12

(who is not a freeper) wants that.

[Initech]

4. Bush was proof that this type of person shouldn't be president.

[driver8]

45. Bush THOUGHT he was that type of person...

He was a phony tough guy just like he was a phony president.

[jah the baptist]

5. not even a tough guy

but a dude who played tough guys in movies

and not very well i might add

[JuniperLea]

12. He played one tough guy...

Over and over again.

I love John Wayne... really, I do. But I'm not fooled; all his characters were the same.

Reagan, Schwarzenegger... two really awesome reasons actors and tough guys shouldn't be in politics.

I'll go for the brainiac any day.

[jah the baptist]

29. i admit i like the shootist

his last movie

he played an old gunslinger dying of cancer when he was dying of cancer in real life

which made it a little more moving and him perhaps more convincing

but apart from that, i never saw the attraction

[JuniperLea]

47. That was one of my favorites too...

He seemed a lot more real. I liked the Rooster Cogburn character too. And as the Green Beret.

Wayne reminded me of my grandfather... big, strong, tough guy, with a heart of gold. But Grandpa wouldn't have made a good politician either! No freaking way!

:rofl:

NO!

[EFerrari]

17. I don't care what anyone says, "Red River" is a great movie.

lol

[jah the baptist]

36. the one where he plays ginghis khan is unintentionally funny

though i think thats when he picked up the dreaded big c from radiation from a bombs

unless thats an urban myth

[Johonny]

79. the ending is a bit of a downer

the son and the father don't shoot it out even though everything is set up for it. I'll take "The Searchers" and its intentional moral ambiguity.

[jah the baptist]

107. never seen it but someone told me the searchers is good

and captive narratives are part of the thesis i\'m working on. i may rent that this evening.

[mitchum]

121. It is a fantastic movie

And will be very good for your research.
If you have not already done so, look into John Fowle's The Collector (and the film adaptation)
It may be beneficial also.

[havocmom]

25. and drank after leaving the set of those movies

Drank a lot.

[jah the baptist]

32. ok so he had one admirable quality. nt

[DesertFlower]

37. i agree. i never like him.

[Whisp]

74. and walked like a sidewinder.

JOHN FUCKING WAYNE?

lol.
he's so lucky he fell into some luck with that acting gig. Shitty actor for sure and don't have any idea how he was as a person generally and don't really care.

[sufrommich]

7. "White men" are not the Borg. I hate when any talking head

pretends they know what massive groups of people "really want".

[backwoodsbob]

8. I'm a white man and..

The LAST guy I want is a John Wayne type

[KamaAina]

9. John Wayne's real name was Marion

Seriesly. Marion Morrison. :P

[sufrommich]

13. lol. I knew that. Next time some macho wing nut brings

him up I'll say "you mean Marion?"

[woodsprite]

14. and he was a dancer. n/t

[sufrommich]

18. Dubya was a cheerleader. Reality is beside the point with

these people.

[raccoon]

106. Myth is more important to these people than reality. nt

[Kat45]

66. That's also Pat Robertson's real name. No shit! n/t

[derby378]

10. I'm a white guy, and I just want a President who gets meaningful legislation passed

And that means you have to be tough towards the Republicans. At least as tough as Bush was towards the Democrats.

The health insurance reform bill and the Wall Street bill have both come up woefully short because Obama hasn't put his foot down.

I don't mind if our President is calm and professional. He just needs to remember that Democrats are counting on him to do something.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

11. I'm a white man who likes Obama

But I liked Bill Clinton more because he wasn't afraid to tell some people to shove it when he needed to. Obama still doesn't seem to appreciate the fact that the assholes who hate him need to be told, in no uncertain terms, TO GO FUCK THEMSELVES.

[3waygeek]

15. And teabaggers want...

a John Wayne Gacy type president.

[arbusto_baboso]

22. ROFLMAO You win the Internet!

[KamaAina]

24. Actually, I'd suspect...

they secretly want a John Wayne Bobbitt type preesident. :evilgrin:

[KansDem]

16. I always wanted to "have a beer" with Al Gore...

...and I'd say the same about Barack Obama.

I'm like the protagonist in Jack London's "Martin Eden": I want "the best" a man has in him as exemplified in the character Russ Brissenden and the "real dirt." I want to talk thoughts and ideas.

I never wanted to "have a beer" with George W. I found him to be a dullard on his good days and an asshole on his bad. Besides, he'd probably stick me with the check!

on edit: Oh, and I'm a "white guy."

[freesqueeze]

19. that draft dodger?

the guy who took a family deferment during WWII while he had split from his own family and was shacked up with his mistress? That guy?

hmmmmmmm....I have an idea.

[Bluzmann57]

20. I'm a white man

I live in the state Marion Morrison, aka John Wayne was born in, and I certainly do not want a guy like him for president. Give me the smartest guy in class every time.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. I'm a white man, and I was around John Wayne a bit as a kid

He was surly, drunk, arrogant. My father, also a white man, thought of him as a cowardly poser. Liked his films. Not the same thing. Now, while Wayne was nice to kids I feel compelled to say, and bought me ice cream, my Dad told me that Barbara Jordan was a role model.

[bemildred]

21. What bigoted horseshit. nt

[Skip Intro]

88. +100 nt

[DailyGrind51]

23. I'll take a "Samuel L. Jackson" over a "John Wayne" president any day!

[slampoet]

28. "I am sick of this mother fucking inflation in this mother fuking economy!!"

Works for me if Samuel Jackson isn't too pissed with the PAY CUT.

[slampoet]

26. You mean they want a Closet case who died from filming on a Nevada Atom Bomb Site?

[d_b]

27. Fuck John Wayne

--White Man

[drm604]

30. Did Ed say that, or somebody else?

Nobody should make such sweeping generalizations.

[DesertFlower]

40. somebody else. i had the

tv on but i was in another room so i didn't get the name of the guy.

[JHB]

31. A posturing, tough-talking, service-dodging phoney?

Reagan? W?

A little more time in "Wayne's World" and we won't have a country anymore.

[EFerrari]

50. John Wayne was an actor. He can't help what stupid people projected

all over him.

[JHB]

52. He cultivated that image, and depended on it for his Star status...

Hardly an innocent bystander in that.

[EFerrari]

55. He played fictional characters. That was his job.

[11 Bravo]

33. Well, that evil fuck Ronald Reagan would have died of stomach cancer 2 years into his first term ...

at age 72. Be careful what you wish for, dipshits.

[Radical Activist]

35. It's a personality type. It's not about being white male.

Some people want to be entertained by a politician who panders to them. Plenty of liberals liked Dean and Edwards despite their lack of liberal credentials. Some people care more about the performance.

[Edweird]

38. Wrong kind of tough. Wellstone/Grayson is more like what I have in mind.

[laughingliberal]

42. +1000 nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

80. Exactly. n/t

[Hissyspit]

41. He was an actor. It was an ACT. A FICTION.

Wayne's characters did things on screen that would have gotten him killed or sent to prison for life. The reason it didn't happen to the characters is because it was FICTION.

[EFerrari]

48. This thread has turned into a John Wayne bashing thread.

Oh my.

[mitchum]

84. Wayne was a better actor than detractors claim, and a much bigger scumbag than supporters admit

[EFerrari]

85. Sure. But John Wayne has nothing to do with what the public made of him.

It's just not his problem.

Thank God no one said people really want a president that's like Dr. Kildare or Sky King or Lucy or they've have been under the bus, too.

[mitchum]

92. My mom would want a president like Dr Kildare...

I was a spoiled kid, but I had to be quiet during those 30 minutes it aired :)

[EFerrari]

94. My grandma watched Liberace every morning,

then Lucy, then Donna Reed and at noon, the Loretta Young Theater. They taught me English.

Too bad we didn't get Liberace as a cold war president because he would have been the perfect anti-dote. :)

[Mimosa]

108. ^ Ferrari rocks! ^

Who's next? Eastwood?

I've got a friend with the initials K.S. How about him? :lol:

[Hugabear]

90. Deservedly so.

The man is an icon to the far-right. Despite the fact that his movies were primarily drivel, he couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.

[EFerrari]

95. Some of his films are studied by film students all over the world

for their mastery and craft. If you make him or those films into a cartoon, that's mostly not about him or those films. :)

[jah the baptist]

118. no wonder most movies suck

ever noticed that?

for real

over 90 percent of all movies are crap

[MineralMan]

44. Not this white man.

[driver8]

46. Some white men, maybe...but not this one.

I hated the way Dubya strutted around and talked tough and acted like he was such a badass.

Give me a calm, cool and collected President any day!

[nosmokes]

49. Uh, no, I don't. I really, really, really don't. Really. Don't. No.

[alphafemale]

51. You mean like this?

[sufrommich]

54. I laughed out loud. Are those pumps he's wearing? nt

[alphafemale]

64. Espadrilles, actually. But aren't they darling?

:hi:

[mitchum]

82. That's a still from John Ford's "The Mincers"...

the one where he goes to rescue Sal Mineo from the savage embrace of indians

[sufrommich]

102. lol! nt

[madokie]

53. This old white man loves our President just the way he is

And especially his intelligence and his cool under pressure

[bluestateguy]

57. Not all white men

Just about 55% of them.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

58. A John Wayne tough guy like this one?

[DesertFlower]

67. WTF was going on there?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

70. Fratboys trying to be "tough guys" and liquor are a bad combination.

Beijing Olympics. His apologists said he just tripped.

[HughBeaumont]

103. His apologists are lying their balls off. I know "drunk" when I sees it.

His shit during that whole disastrous excursion = d-d-d-DRUNK.

Who are they trying to bullshit?

[AnnieBW]

59. My husband likes Obama, too

Smart is sexy! (Obama and my husband!)

[TroglodyteScholar]

60. We do?

I can't stand John Wayne.

[Dawson Leery]

61. John "Marion" Wayne: The Ultimate Chickenhawk!

[KillCapitalism]

62. John Wayne is dead, but...

I bet they'd love to have Mel Gibson as pres. He knows how to keep those women in check ya know.

[DesertFlower]

68. lol.

[Name removed]

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[east texas lib]

65. Pointless generalization...

I want a competent president. His or her management style/paint job is irrelevant.

[MellowDem]

69. I want Obama to be more like John Wayne...

in how he deals with Republicans. I want a tougher guy. It takes toughness to do the right thing, not just a nice disposition. Especially when you have the opposition Obama does. Obama has the intelligence. I want the toughness as well.

But I'm not blaming this on Obama's personality. Our system is set up so that Democrats in general have been incredibly weak. Look who Obama has to work with in Congress.

[MellowDem]

71. Big Ed doesn't speak for all white males...

and the issue is much much more complicated than that. I think liberals in general want Obama to be tougher. Even "John Wayne" like.

[opihimoimoi]

72. The GOP got their "John Wayne" in George W Bush....dumb shit sent this Nation to the crapper

The Pen is Mightier than the Sword.....it needs a Comeback

[hyphenate]

73. Must not forget that John Wayne was a coward

While many of the actors joined the fight in WWII, Wayne used as many methods as Rush to keep from serving in the war.

[Rincewind]

75. I'm a white guy,

and I sure don't want a "John Wayne" president. I want an intelligent, calm, and engaged president. Like the one we have now.

[Name removed]

76. Deleted message

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[proteus_lives]

77. This white guy likes Obama and the calm, professional approach.

What's the "Ed Show"?

[scheming daemons]

78. Stereotype much? I'm a white man and I want a President EXACTLY like the one we've got

...

[mitchum]

81. DUMB INSECURE white men want a john wayne type president

[alfredo]

83. This John Wayne?

[EFerrari]

86. The bag is cool.

[alfredo]

109. But the shorts...

[Skip Intro]

87. Why is it ok to broad-brush "white men" but not other races or genders?

I really don't get it. It strikes me as acceptable racism.

How do I arrive at this conclusion. Simple. For every post about "whites" or "white men" I substitute the word "black" or "hispanic" for "white," and wonder what the reaction would be to such a thread.

[sixstrings75]

110. Start a thread like that - see what happens...

I am really disapointed this shit is allowed to fester here...

Racism is Racism is Racism...

This is a joke.

I would ban the OP permanently.

[DesertFlower]

116. you would ban me for

posting what i heard someone say on the ed shultz show? so we shouldn't hear the news if it's not what we want to hear?

[Hugabear]

89. Reagan, Bush, and the Ah-nuld...no thanks

That's what happens when you elect dumbass rethug cowboys and actors.

[dionysus]

91. i'm a pasty white guy and i am all set on a john wayne type douchebag for prez.

[Hekate]

93. My white husband likes Obama just fine. Sometimes Ed gets carried away with being a blowhard.

[uncle ray]

96. what's that line from Repo Man?

i ain't gonna quote it.

[Warren DeMontague]

97. "He was too, you boys"

[LooseWilly]

117. You mean this line?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uv_WGEHr4I

[upi402]

98. i'm not persuaded

i disagree 100%

sexist and racist too. if the same post were made of women, or blacks.... it would be gone and you would be banned.
what's intelligent about a corporatist? bush was one. Cheney was one.

duality is the paradigm everywhere i guess.

[DesertFlower]

100. don't shoot the messenger.

i posted what i heard and it really pissed me off.

[HEyHEY]

99. yeah, that is racist bullshit

[BreweryYardRat]

101. I'm a white man. I don't want a "John Wayne" type of president if he's a dumbass blowhard.

Look at all the harm Reagan and Bush II did to our country. Calm and professorial is something I'm much more comfortable with...although President Obama could be a little tougher without it doing any harm.

[CBGLuthier]

104. I like John Wayne in many of his roles

That said, I would prefer Henry Fonda for president. Not Fort Apache fuck up Henry Fonda. Fail Safe dealing with the hardest decision ever Henry Fonda.

With a little Mr. Roberts genuine goodness thrown in. Jack Lemmon could have been the greatest VP ever.

[NNN0LHI]

114. Mission Accomplished! Bring em back dead or a live!

A large group of Americans eat that kind of stuff up.

Don

[socialist_n_TN]

120. Well THIS old white guy doesn't want a "John Wayne"

type president. But I DO want a Bruce Lee type. You don't fight until you have to, but when you do you go for the groin and rip their balls off.