About this "Ground Zero Mosque"

[Stinky The Clown]

19 middle eastern terrorist - all Muslim - dropped the towers.

19

There were others backing them, for sure. How many? A hundred? Hell, let's say it was *million*. That million would be six tenths of one percent of the Muslim population.

Are we okay with "stopping the Ground Zero Mosque"?

Personally, I don't much care. Actually, I do care. I'd like to see *all* religiosity kept away from that site. It was religious extremism that caused the attack. Not Muslims, per se.

Sometimes my fellow citizens ake me just shake my head in disgust.

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[BrklynLiberal]

9. It would be nice if they actually completed ANYTHING on the site before the next millenium.

Approaching ten years....and still nothing but a construction site...fenced off with nothing meaningful for people to see as a memorial.

Here is an example of what should be at the site...and this was already completed before ten years had gone by.
The outdoor portion of the Oklahoma City National Memorial was dedicated on April 19, 2000, the fifth anniversary of the bombing. The Memorial Museum was finished in February of 2001.
http://www.oklahomacitynationalmemorial.org/index.php

[SunnySong]

33. Hear Hear,.. It's a bloody embarrassment. nt

[mrcheerful]

2. Well ground zero is a lie the Mosque is being built 2 blocks from ground zero and will have

no view of ground zero. Oh and it isn't just a Mosque being built, it is a mini mall with a Mosque in the mall.

[immoderate]

4. A place to buy souvenir humus.

--imm

[HughMoran]

15. vulgar

[Spazito]

12. +1 n/t

[superduperfarleft]

3. Except it's not near the site, it's two blocks away.

The only disgust I feel in this particular situation is towards the teabaggers and racists from flyover country (who any other day would be bitching about Northeastern liberals) that can't even be arsed to check a map of NYC before they decide to start pretending they care what happens to the people there.

[WildEyedLiberal]

32. You really think all the protests over this are coming from "flyover country"?

You really don't think there aren't plenty of homegrown racists or Islamophobes in NYC? Really?

And no, I don't think building a mosque deliberately as a tribute for Ground Zero is a good idea. Nor do I think building a church or a synagogue in the same area for the same purpose is a good idea. The last thing we need is to ruin what should be a national memorial ground with stupid religious arguments and debates.

[KamaAina]

34. Oh, and it's not a mosque, either.

It's an Islamic cultural center, which happens to have a prayer room in it.

[DevonRex]

36. Thanks for the info. nt

[eowyn_of_rohan]

5. i think it is unnecessary and inappropriate

over the top...

[superduperfarleft]

7. Why? n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

14. oh, I don't know

i didnt realize this was not actually going up at ground zero. I thought it had been intentionally planned to be put right there, as some kind of homage to or peace offering to the Islamic community which I say would be unnecessary, inappropriate and over the top

[superduperfarleft]

16. Why would that be inappropriate?

If you feel the same way about a Christian church going up, then fine, that's at least consistent. But I seriously doubt the racist teabaggers screaming about this would care if it were a church.

(But it's moot anyway since it's not at the site.)

[eowyn_of_rohan]

25. I think about it this way

How would I feel if my loved one were murdered by an extremist RW Christian and & TPTB wanted to put up a RW Christian church on the site where he died... it would be very painful to me, and would seem to dishonor that loved one. If this mosque or whatever it is were planned to be built on the WTC site as sort of a Kumbaya gesture, I would say it would be perceived as insensitive by many. There would be other, less "in your face", more reasonable ways to show unity , forgiveness, whatever.

THAT SAID - i dont know what the reasons for putting this mosque/islamic center in the vicinity of the WTC, and I didnt know it was to be located a couple blocks away when I first posted.

Not very well written - Hope that is enough to explain myself for now - i have to take off!

[MiniMe]

22. It is 2 blocks away

The "at ground zero" meme is misleading.

[JHB]

23. The building was hit by debris, landing gear from the 2nd plane...

IIRC, the people proposing the site picked that as a sort of peace offering from the Islamic community, something to say "Most of us, by far, are not like that".

[Dorian Gray]

29. You know

except that there was a community of Muslims worshipping there before 9-11. They were attacked and lost their worship home, just as other Americans were attacked. Why shouldn't they be able to rebuild, just like the rest of us expect to?

[digitaln3rd]

6. Re; About this "Ground Zero Mosque"

People can protest a Mosque going up near Ground Zero when the US stops putting up military bases in the Middle East.

Are there any Christian churches near the memorial for the Oklahoma Federal Building?

[BrklynLiberal]

8. All this "anger" about the mosque is just one more attempt to distract the public.

Shout "Look over there!" and people will get all riled up over something that is truly unimportant in the big pic. That entire neighborhood has churches and temples all over it. This mosque is only a big deal because there are those who want to use the issue for political gain.
Are we to believe that there were no Muslims working in the WTC that day..and therefore this is only a non-Muslim tragedy?

I worked in the WTC for years. I knew that neighborhood like the back of my hand. I have absolutely no objection to having a mosque there...along with all the other churches and temples.

It is only an issue because someone wants to make political hay from it. I think the technical term may be "scapegoating".

[JHB]

24. +1000

[SunsetDreams]

28. + 1000

[Angry Dragon]

10. Even if it is a Mosque and it is decided that we can tell them

where they can and not build, would all the other religions then offer themselves up to where and where not they can build their buildings of worship?? I think not. -

[Xenotime]

11. I support it since Muslims actually died there too. It's only fair.

[BrklynLiberal]

13. +100. It seems that is an overlooked fact.

There were Muslims working in and around the WTC.

[DevonRex]

17. 1. Not at ground zero. 2. Should we tear down all religious institutions

within that same distance to ground zero because YOU don't like religion? How very liberal of you.

[HughMoran]

20. Yes, very inclusive eh?

:eyes:

[DevonRex]

21. And while we're at it, let's just amend the Bill of Rights to disallow

all religion because some people just don't like it. That'll go over real well.

[Stinky The Clown]

37. The sky is blue

[HipChick]

18. NT

[annabanana]

19. How especially horrible this must be for those Muslim families

who lost loved ones in the attack. ..

I am embarrassed by the response of those who's own suffering must take precedence over all others.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

27. Should there be value judgments placed on the degree or quality of people's grief?

i dont think so. It is all equal. Like sudden unexpected loss vs long, drawn out loss. Which is "easier"?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

26. "I'd like to see *all* religiosity kept away from that site."

Agreed

[MellowDem]

30. It's not correct to blame just "religion"....

It was extremism. Secular terrorists abound as well. I guess no secular institutions should be around the sites of these attacks? These extremists used religion to justify their actions. But extremists ALWAYS have SOME reason to justify their actions of killing others. And considering that there were quite a lot of secular reasons for 9/11 as well should be mentioned. It wasn't just religion, but American foriegn policy that helped set up the motivation for the attacks. You can't deny that.

[LLStarks]

31. Ignorant people conveniently forget to mention the pool, gymnasium, and auditorium, and cultural ctr

[DevonRex]

35. +1 nt