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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:22 AM Original message |
Progressives Fail because Progressivism is not Understood |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. Change Minds, Change Votes |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:37 AM Response to Original message |
2. We could start by ceasing to use the word "progressive." |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I have no problem with Liberal, but some are afraid to call themselves that |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I like and often use "leftist." |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. Why not? Leftist has a long and storied history |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Liberal, from the Sumerian "libis" meaning heart, core, anger, courage, family. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. "Progressive" the way it's tossed around sounds very uppity... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:20 AM Response to Original message |
5. I've been asking for a definition for years. Never get one. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Nobody knows what it means. It's just a lofty word people like to use. nt |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. AS someone who calls herself a progressive, I know what it means. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Sounds socialist to me......... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. So what? You can make a great case for democratic socialism a la |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. "So what?" My point exactly............. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. No, I cannot agree with you on this. Among fellow progressives, it's just |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I don't know if we disagree all that much........... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Your argument is very good by staying with the "average American" theme. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. I'm glad im not the only one. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. That's what it means to you. Too bad many other so-called progressives.. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
40. It's the same thing as Liberal, but with out the media hysteria. nt |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 04:49 AM Response to Original message |
8. Progressives fail because they do not have a loud voice ... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. It doesn't help that |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
11. Heck, "progressive" means building more Walmarts to some people.. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 05:46 AM Response to Original message |
12. K&R |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Someone canceled out my Rec too |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Mine too. Immediately as I hit recommend, it showed my vote to me, |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Apparently someone out |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
13. I don't see it as defining the label-- it's defining who we are... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
14. "pragmatic" |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
15. Something tells me that those people do not understand what the term "Progressive" means |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
17. It is not necessary to label a bill "Progressive" in order to propose it in Congress |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
18. It has been redefined by those that aren't. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Not around here |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. It mainly comes from those that know that many who use the label |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
21. Why would anyone unrecommend this thread? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
23. I'm not sure that there is a good definition for "Progressive." |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
24. Nice job, Steve. Rec'd. nt |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
25. Well loosely, |
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ThomThom (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
30. People can be at different places on the liberal to conservative |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
32. I don't have too much of an argument with the |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
35. "Progressive" is a phoney-baloney, triangulated word. |
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reformist2 (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. No it's not. It's a perfectly good word. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Right, and "liberal" means something like "libertarian" in historical context. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
42. Short and long answer of how I define Progressivism |
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Gidney N Cloyd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I think that nails the traditional & historic definition-- the one they taught us in school |
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SunsetDreams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
43. K&R |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
45. I like your Pragmatic Progressive category. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
46. I'm not a progressive, because that term is ambiguous. |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-10 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
48. I get Pragmatic Progressive but it mirrors "Compassionate Conservative" too closely for comfort. |
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