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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:55 PM
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My first day at Glenn Beck University
http://www.patrolmag.com/times/2124/my-first-day-at-beck-university

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The “professor” is David Barton, a supposed expert on American religious history (and coincidentally, a Republican activist). Some might call Barton’s credentials as a historian shaky. He hasn’t been to graduate school, and critics have often claimed that he frequently uses unsubstantiated sources. But hey, he holds a bachelor’s degree in religious education from Oral Roberts; that should be enough to disprove two hundred years of solid Constitutional precedence.

I was both anxious and excited to hear how Barton was going to prove that America is supposed to be a sort of Christian theo-democracy. His strategy? List every pastor that ever said anything patriotic from the years 1700-1776. The only really surprising thing was learning about how utterly political pastors were in the eighteenth century. These guys would’ve made Jerry Falwell squirm. For example, Reverend Jonathan Mayhew preached entire sermons arguing for “no taxation without representation” and commanding that King George repeal the Stamp Act. Barton light-heartedly dismissed this rather broad interpretation of the authority of Scripture as being “just how they did it back then.” Now, I admittedly can’t recite the Old Testament to you, but I don’t recall Isaiah claiming that a postal tax is an abomination before God. Maybe it’s in the Apocrypha.

Barton managed to go through almost the entire lecture without mentioning a single source other than sermons when he suddenly brought up John Locke’s Second Treatise on Government. Rather than delving into the ingenious political philosophy that the volume contains, he merely reassured us that John Locke, like, totally quoted a bunch of Bible verses.

Maybe I’m missing the point, but how does any of this prove that America is a Christian state? Barton’s whole argument is that Christian pastors and the Christian founders and Christian ideologues were, in fact, Christians. Maybe GBU should offer a Logic course.

Every fifteen minutes, an animated Glenn Beck came on the screen and quizzed the virtual class. One example: “What is American exceptionalism?”

After the lecture, all viewers – I mean, students – were encouraged to give their feedback in a chatroom. Still slightly flabbergasted, I asked, “Why didn’t we actually talk about the separation of church and state in this lecture about the separation of church and state?” I waited since all comments had to be moderated, but after two minutes my question hadn’t appeared. I entered it again – nothing. Fair and balanced?

The major lesson I learned (or more accurately, reaffirmed) at my first day at Beck University is that everyone has an agenda. Glenn Beck and David Barton want you to think that the Continental Congress was spending most of its time acting out the Gospel of Mark, while Keith Olbermann and his secular buddies rage on about how Thomas Jefferson would have written The God Delusion if given the chance. Maybe, just maybe, there’s a middle ground. Unfortunately, Compromise 101 isn’t in the GBU catalogue.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:58 PM
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1. I actually have a degree in history. I should've applied for that job! nt
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:01 PM
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2. You would never have gotten it
not a chance in hell unless the "degree" in "history" is from some place like Liberty, Oral Roberts, Bob Jones or any other fundie diploma mill.

If, as I suspect, you have a real degree in history you are not the kind of "historian" Glenn Beck U would ever have on staff.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:59 PM
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10. He needs to check something besides his rectal rolodex. I can't
remember his name but when the country and the army needed money, one of the founders gave his whole fortune to the fight and SAVED us at that critical moment. He never got it back and died in poverty years later. He was a Jew.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:20 AM
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15. Francis Salvador
Francis Salvador (1747 – August 1, 1776) was the first American Jew to be killed in the American Revolution, fighting on the South Carolina frontier.<1> Salvador was born in London, where his great-grandfather, Joseph Salvador, was a prominent businessman, and leader of the local Portuguese-speaking Sephardic Jewish community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Salvador

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:01 PM
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3. Did you wear your freshman beanie?
What fraternities were rushing? Did you go to the icebreaker mixer? Is there a kegger this weekend? Where do the stoners hang out? Are the dorms co-ed or strictly (hah!) unisex? Has college changed that much in the last *cough*thirty*cough* years?
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:01 PM
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4. "how does any of this prove that America is a Christian state?"
It doesn't. The outcome and the whole point of the "class" is predetermined. Anyone taking the "course" (other than disruptors)already have their minds made up. Simple minds will conclude that the "course" is valid, the logic is valid, the reasoning is valid, the conclusions are valid. Because it's what they want to hear. Sheep.
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Laf.La.Dem. Donating Member (924 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:06 PM
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5. What school supplies are required?
colors
paste
scissors (not too sharp)
bible (King James only)
nap pads
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:16 PM
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6. You forgot the most important one
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:19 PM
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7. You forgot the Book of Mormon. Also, I'm sure BU allows encourages the 2nd ammendment on campus

so you probably have the option of packing heat too.
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jfkraus Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:29 PM
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8. That would be the Book of Moron.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 02:03 PM
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11. What, no dry macaroni? n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 01:33 PM
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9. Anal Roberts University
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 02:10 PM
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12. For the first time, I found myself wondering
what "Oral" Roberts is really code for.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 02:26 PM
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13. What's with the shot at Olbermann and Dawkins?
I don't remember either of them starting on on-line "university".
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 03:38 AM
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14. There is no reason to compromise.
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 03:39 AM by Enthusiast
They have every right to practice their religion with interference from no one. Beck's problem is that he wants to employ religion to control people while making a fortune doing it.

There is a damn church on nearly every street corner in this country. Religion is not being persecuted in the least. Fuck these assholes.
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