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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:27 PM
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For the greater good, let them die.
http://blogs.forbes.com/beltway/2010/07/14/the-deadly-impact-of-the-death-tax/

The Deadly Impact Of The Death Tax

Australia got rid of its death tax in 1979. A couple of Aussie academics investigated whether the elimination of the tax had any impact on death rates. They found the ultimate example of supply-side economics, as reported in the abstract of their study.

In 1979, Australia abolished federal inheritance taxes. Using daily deaths data, we show that approximately 50 deaths were shifted from the week before the abolition to the week after. This amounts to over half of those who would have been eligible to pay the tax. Although we cannot rule out the possibility that our results are driven by misreporting, our results imply that over the very short run, the death rate may be highly elastic with respect to the inheritance tax rate.


It looks like this experiment is going to be repeated in the United States, but in the opposite direction. There was a rather unsettling article in the Wall Street Journal over the weekend. The story begins with a description of how the death tax rate dropped from 45 percent in 2009 to zero in 2010, and then notes the huge implications of a scheduled increase to 55 percent in 2011.

Congress, quite by accident, is incentivizing death. When the Senate allowed the estate tax to lapse at the end of last year, it encouraged wealthy people near death's door to stay alive until Jan. 1 so they could spare their heirs a 45% tax hit. Now the situation has reversed: If Congress doesn't change the law soon—and many experts think it won't—the estate tax will come roaring back in 2011. ...The math is ugly: On a $5 million estate, the tax consequence of dying a minute after midnight on Jan. 1, 2011 rather than two minutes earlier could be more than $2 million; on a $15 million estate, the difference could be about $8 million.


The story then features several anecdotes from successful people, along with observations from those who deal with wealthy taxpayers. The obvious lesson is that taxpayers don't want the IRS to confiscate huge portions of what has been saved and invested over lifetimes of hard work.

"You don't know whether to commit suicide or just go on living and working," says Eugene Sukup, an outspoken critic of the estate tax and the founder of Sukup Manufacturing, a maker of grain bins that employs 450 people in Sheffield, Iowa. Born in Nebraska during the Dust Bowl, the 81-year-old Mr. Sukup is a National Guard veteran and high school graduate who founded his firm, which now owns more than 70 patents, with $15,000 in 1963. He says his estate taxes, which would be zero this year, could be more that $15 million if he were to die next year. ...Estate planners and doctors caution against making life-and-death decisions based on money. Yet many people ignore that advice. Robert Teague, a pulmonologist who ran a chronic ventilator facility at a Houston hospital for two decades, found that money regularly figured in end-of-life decisions. "In about 10% of the cases I handled at any one time, financial considerations came into play," he says. In 2009, more than a few dying people struggled to live into 2010 in hopes of preserving assets for their heirs. Clara Laub, a widow who helped her husband build a Fresno, Calif., grape farm from 20 acres into more than 900 acres worth several million dollars, was diagnosed with advanced cancer in October, 2009. Her daughter Debbie Jacobsen, who helps run the farm, says her mother struggled to live past December and died on New Year's morning: "She made my son promise to tell her the date and time every day, even if we wouldn't," Mrs. Jacobsen says. ...Mr. Aucutt, who has practiced estate-tax law for 35 years, expects to see "truly gruesome" cases toward the end of the year, given the huge difference between 2010 and 2011 rates.



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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:30 PM
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1. I predicted when the whole thing was enacted
that the streets of BelAire and Palm Springs would run red with blood in December.

Abolishing it was sheer lunacy. Increasing the exemption made more sense.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:31 PM
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2. Why do the rich hate America?
Why don't they want to help pay down the debt? They got richer off of it.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:34 PM
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11. That would be MY Dem Party campaign message! Either pay the tax
or go serve in some war like your poor neighbors do!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:35 PM
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3. I did hospice work when the opposite was happening -
We were going from a high inheritance tax to a low one, and one of my clients did not want to die until after the fifth or sixth of January 2002. (Due to the law changing at that date.)

When Mr Aucutt, who has practiced estate-tax law for 35 years, says that he "expects to see "truly gruesome" cases toward the end of the year, given the huge difference between 2010 and 2011 rates," I assume he is right.

People forget that the money people inherit has already been taxed, and probably what needs to happen is that it is taxed more fairly as it is being earned.

I don't mind the uber rich being hit, but when you are talking about mere millionaire estate status, divided up by the adult kids, I can understand the reluctance of not wanting to suddenly pay the fifty five percent.
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:37 PM
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12. OH PLEAUZZZZE!!! Those poor poor people that will only get a half million!
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 06:38 PM by activa8tr
GEEZE! I'm tearing up.

The limits are reasonable... about a quarter million dollars can come to heirs even in a family of 10 kids... stop messing the facts with absurd sob stories.

If you were one of ten surviving children, each given $200,000 tomorrow, tax free, would you complain?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:38 PM
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4. It's called the estate tax
Dead people don't pay taxes. The estates they leave behind, however, might be subject to being taxed before being handed over to the heirs and devisees. And since most of those people didn't actually do anything that might be considering "earning" that money, it seems only meet that the society that enabled their forebear to accumulate more wealth than could be spent in a lifetime should derive some of its funding and circulate some of that wealth locked up for too long in private vaults.

But yet, with all the troubles in the world, Forbes devotes substantial resources to the obsession of money-grubbing greedheads who have nothing more to worry about than whether their kids will battle each other over $37 million or $52 million. Boo fucking hoo, Mr. Sukup.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:42 PM
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5. "Estate planners and doctors caution against making life-and-death decisions
based on money". Uh, do ya think? Well, us peons have to do this all the time---can't afford to pay for all the possible treatments available, so we just have to die. This is just the other side of that coin, I guess.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 05:43 PM
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6. This might sound w3weird but a lot of middle class people have million dollar estates...
Edited on Thu Jul-15-10 05:43 PM by SunnySong
We should exempt the first two or three million to protect the middle class.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:16 PM
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7. I agree that there should be some exemption.
Family farms or family businesses, for example. There is a difference between cash and assets that are not liquid. Don't have a problem with exempting a few million.
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:29 PM
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9. Yep. I would say that estates tied up in businesses which are entirely ...
...American (and farms, as well) should be exempted. It will encourage the wealthy to put their money into businesses employing Americans so they won't have to pay the estate tax. This is the perfect opportunity to use the aversion the powerful have against paying taxes to our benefit - by creating jobs.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:51 PM
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13. Oh, I like this idea. As long as the business is actually employing people. nt
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:20 PM
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8. Sometimes there is a farm involved
and if you have to pay 55% or even 45% of the value of the estate, that means you have to sell your heritage in order to pay the tax.

I'm definitely FOR making taxes more fair on the income end.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:31 PM
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10. The first $3.5 million is exempt now; the first $1 million will be exempt next year
Only the amount above $1 million will be taxed on a sliding scale. http://www.dinkytown.net/java/EstatePlan.html If the estate is part of the marital assets, even less is subject to taxes. The really wealthy can gift large amounts ($13,000 per year; double that for couples) to their heirs - those gifts are not taxable so a lot of assets can be transferred before death.

Most people will never have to pay estate taxes, even once the rates revert. The "death tax" has about as much reality as "death panels" for most people.
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