I'm yelled at to trust Oliver Stone to make an accurate documentary...

[Archae]

Oh REALLY??!!??

So how about Oliver Stone spending three days with Castro shooting a friendly documentary called Comandante in 2002, only to have HBO refuse to air it. Why? Because shortly after the interviews (intended to show the "human" side of Castro) Castro jailed 75 political dissidents, including journalists, human rights activists and even some freaking librarians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2958507.stm

http://www.cracked.com/article_18628_the-6-most-misguided-causes-ever-made-famous-by-celebrities_p2.html#ixzz0thDLc0C6

At February's Berlin Film Festival, where the film was screened, Stone said of Castro: "We should look to him as one of the Earth's wisest people, one of the people we should consult."

Stone and Castro groupies in 3-2-1...

[Richardo]

1. I don't trust Stone OR Moore to bring me objective truth

They're both sledgehammer moralists who are every bit as evangelical as any annoying religious personality.

[Archae]

2. You do realize, we've spoken BLASPHEMY!

To the Stone and Moore groupies, of course. :eyes:

[Richardo]

8. Oh yes, don the chain mail and your asbestos shorts.

Incoming! :nuke:


:D

[eShirl]

3. I admire your guts in using cracked.com as a source

:toast:

[Archae]

5. Hey, they're more accurate than the Huffington Post...

[eShirl]

6. roffle!

it's funny because it's true

[Warpy]

4. Trying to counteract the often vicious propaganda here is laudable

but don't forget both Castros are civil rights thugs and bullies and being seen as an enemy of the revolution is a bad idea, no matter how mildly one goes about it.

I would hope that after they both peg out, more reasonable people come in and Cuba moves to a mixed economy with civil rights, just socialist enough to discourage any of the Batista Cubans from returning and socialist enough to keep their people happy and cared for.

Cuba at this stage is a mixed bag, great progress having been made at achieving a more egalitarian society and banishing the old colonialist plutocrats forever. Unfortunately, it's a civil liberties hell for a lot of people who would love the freedom to point out where things can be improved.

The Castros just never understood that the gripers and malcontents were giving them useful information on how to improve the revolution instead of trying to destroy it.

[Archae]

9. Exactly.

Castro threw out a vicious corrupt banana republic dictator, Battista.

And promptly set up a vicious communist dictatorship with himself as "Dear Leader."

[Doctor_J]

7. By all means, you should instead trust Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer,

and Fox "News" instead.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[TexasObserver]

10. Castro, Chavez, Noriega, Uribe - scoundrels all, left or right.

There's a stretch of Central and South America where dictators have often flourished. The US has usually played a role, either as patron or enemy, of such.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

11. Dude, you already got locked once --

on this topic.

What is your issue?

[MyNameGoesHere]

12. Hey why did it take you 7 years to post this?

Were you not outraged when it happened? Black Spring was a while ago. Surely you were pissed then too?

[Archae]

13. Because Stone is coming out with a new documentary about South America.

And based on Stone's past record for cozying up to leftist dictatorships, and lying about them, why should we take his latest film as credible?

Would you accept a film from David Bossie about Sarah The Quitter?

[MyNameGoesHere]

15. I usually watch or read something before i condemn it

but there are those of you with psychic ability beyond my understanding i suppose.

[G_j]

16. you do know Latin America's history has been mostly one of RIGHT wing

dictatorships and brutality?

[Archae]

17. Yes I do know of that.

BUT...

Cozying up to left-wing dictators is JUST as bad.

[MyNameGoesHere]

22. Which ones? See I fear there is another agenda

here altogether. Are you a member of NED?

[Joe Chi Minh]

14. "Why? Because shortly after the interviews (intended to show the

"human" side of Castro) Castro jailed 75 political dissidents, including journalists, human rights activists and even some freaking librarians."

... and not a day to soon, I'll warrant.

Your idea of a journalist would be the absolute antithesis to that of Duers. Same goes for your idea of a human-rights activist. And who can doubt, a librarian?

Locked out, eh? Well, well.

[SunnySong]

18. Have you forgiven him for this... I haven't

on a more serious note Stone can sometimes be off the rocker... there is a documentary "John Ford goes to War" where he was hilariously off the chain.

[whistler162]

19. Stone and accuracy have never met!

Haven't forgiven him for the screw up he made in Born on the Fourth of July.

Anti-war protests turned into riots at Syracuse University when just the opposite happened. Peaceful protests with both sides, police and protestors, working together to keep it peaceful.

[Winterblues]

20. You accused both Moore and Stone of Lieing in your previous flame bait

You still have not backed that up with a single thing. You are unhappy that Stone dared to do a film about Castro but you haven't shown where he was untruthful. You need to come up with something besides your unhappiness about Stone...I think you are just trying to stir shit up and IMO it used to be a tombstoning offense.

[walldude]

21. So who is yelling at you?

Is this thread calling out another post? Or are you just really proud of yourself for discovering that Stone and Moore have personal agendas? :rofl:

[Archae]

23. Back in the 1980's...

Accuracy In Media, the right-wing "media watchdog" put a film on PBS, that set the blame for the Vietnam war debacle squarely where it "belonged."
:sarcasm:

The media.

Obviously this documentary was a full load of pure bullshit.

If AIM made a documentary about the Iraq War, would anyone here trust it?
Even though it's been nearly 30 years since AIM made that documentary?

Obviously, no.

When a clear idealogue makes a documentary, and LIES, it doesn't matter if that film-maker is on the left or right.

It was literally decades until people accepted anything from Leni Riefenstahl, again.

[Puregonzo1188]

24. You are aware of his follow-up documentary on the subject matter, "Look for Fidel?"

And surely you're aware of which one was shown on HBO, and which is to this day is still not available on DVD in the US?

[NutmegYankee]

25. Just look at his movie JFK!

He rolled so much fiction into that movie and yet people think it's a real account.

[Whisp]

26. does Cuba have prison factories?

I could easily call the millions of people in jail political prisoners as well. The US is the leader of the western world plus, (could be on the whole planet) in incarcerating people.
they are just there to make shit for corporations to sell for a profit. Thats more than political prisoner, thats slavery.

how Castro gets this evil enemy number 1 by people who live and support a country that has killed millions of people, poisoned countless more. Bombed children in their sleep and raped the planet, Let drug companies test drugs on people that kill them by the thousands.

o please.