We are Fucked, move to Canada or the UK if you can!

[Vote2008]

SS, Medicare, Medicaid long term costs and the Deficit will destroy us in less than 50 years.

Get out while you can.

[USArmyParatrooper]

1. Have you made your travel arrangements?

[NYC_SKP]

2. I'm 53 years old, will probably excape the worst of it so I will stay and fight. (nt)

[PBS Poll-435]

31. Liar

(About the age...)

:P

[NYC_SKP]

37. !

OMG!

I was shocked.

Opening "My DU" and seeing that!

(should have known)

:hi:

Having never had children, I might look younger. :P

[liberalhistorian]

3. LOL!

Polishing up your comedy routine while slurping up the sauce, huh?

[HEyHEY]

4. The UK? You're even more fucked there.

[conspirator]

47. I second. The UK is in the dumpster. Try Germany. Brasil is also a good bet. n/t

[marmar]

5. The UK is f**ked too.

nt

[guardian]

6. Not this shit again.

What is it in people's make up that makes them say they are leaving the country every time they stub their toe?

[elocs]

7. Why would Canada or the UK want any of us?

:shrug: Got lots and lots of money? If that's the case you don't have a problem anyways.

[Jennicut]

13. Exactly. Why WOULD they want us?

As for me, I am glad to live in New England. It is not perfect by any means but a pretty decent area of the United States where not a lot of religious or economic RW wackos live.

[elocs]

15. Hey, I wouldn't want me and I kind of like me.

It's not bad in my neck of Wisconsin. I can take some comfort in knowing that even with the little that I have I am much, much better off than billions of other people in this world. I try and concentrate and be grateful for what I have rather than lament what I lack.

[Voice for Peace]

19. are you familiar with Echo Valley Farm in Wisconsin? nt

[elocs]

51. Nope, never heard of it although it is close to where I live.

http://www.echovalleyfarmwisconsin.com/

A return to sustainable living and respect for the Earth are core values at Echo Valley, as we host events and classes that benefit individuals, families and communities.

At Echo Valley Farm you will find beauty, simplicity, and a chance to remember... year round.

You are welcome.

News from the Farm

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Visit our new Gallery for pictures and slideshows of projects and events.

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[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

42. Thanks to NAFTA working in Canada is astonishingly easy

I am working in Calgary where there are 100,000 of us or slightly less than 10% of the population, it is even higher in Vancouver.

It is not difficult for Americans to find work abroad, we make it obnoxiously difficult for foreigners to work in the US, but other countries are much more accommodating to skilled labor.

[villager]

8. Relax! Military spending will destroy us before that!

Join us here in the rubble while we rebuild...!

[KansasVoter]

11. LOL!

[napi21]

9. Or=orry, I've checked, and Canada doesn't want me. I don't

have enough money. There's a web site where you can take a quiz , entering all yor assets, education etc, and get a score. We were fine until it got to age, and enough point were deducted that we failed. Sorry I don't ave a link, I did that several years ago. It's probably worse now.

[KansasVoter]

12. I took that also. Not having a job lined up hurt me.

[provis99]

10. UK is shutting down their borders to N.A. immigrants...Canada won't even take Icelanders.

we may be stuck here...:scared:

[jtuck004]

14. They haven't built the fence yet.

So, perhaps soon, articles in the Toronto news about Americans going through backyards, stealing bicycles and lawnmowers, bringing drugs _into_ Canada, and conservatives pointing out that "it's not sterotyping to ask for their ID and see if they don't end every third sentence with ", eh?".

[roamer65]

16. This country is resembling the Soviet Union circa 1989.

I don't think this republic will exist 10 years from now.

[SunnySong]

41. Um not exactly but nice way to downplay real people who suffered. nt

[girl gone mad]

17. Maybe try learning what a deficit actually represents..

then you can put away the plastic sheets and duct tape and stop cowering in fear.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

18. The UK is sending their disabled and chronically ill back to work.

I just read an article a couple weeks ago about it. The Scandinavian countries are the way to go, Australia is also doing great.
Problem is they don't want American refugees.

[defendandprotect]

28. Interesting . . . we may now be about to become the world's "refugees" . . .!!

My son was talking about Scandinavia -- he'd be young enough that they may be

interested?

[XOKCowboy]

20. Screw that! Canada and the UK are too cold....

Got the Caribbean in my sights. Little island off the coast of... Well never mind.

[DesertFlower]

24. i'm with you. i can't stand the cold.

[jdp349]

21. We're going to go down as the country that had EVERYTHING

and squandered it all on frivolous bullshit, what an embarrassing legacy.

[defendandprotect]

30. After FDR, I think the country felt secure . . . people forgot to pay attention... and rw helped

them in many ways -- many distractions -- many lies -- great wealth poured

into turning around New Deal -- took them 60 years or more --

part of it had to be co-opting the Dem party -- they not only targeted GOP moderates

and liberals, they targeted liberal and progressive Dems, replacing them with people

more "under the influence" of their money.

Common Cause has a petition on this -- I've posted it in General -- Fair Elections Act!

Getting corporate money out of our elections -- our of our party politics --

our of the hands of our elected officials and candidates.


PLUS a lot of things that kept the country informed were changed -- a few I'm aware of ....

big change in the news reporting with TV . . . and finally total corporate take over of

"free press."

Also few understand Social Security any more -- politicans lie to the public -- Wall St.

Journal had a huge campaign to destroy confidence in it calling it a "Ponzi Scheme" --

none of this is true -- Social Security is a huge success running huge surplusses every year!

Borrowed for wars and tax cuts for rich --

Social Security used to visit offices and talk with employees explaining Social Security --

quite regularly -- so everyone knew about it and how it worked -- was never intended to run

a surplus -- "pay as you go" --



Also the Democratic Party used to have representatives in neightborhoods to keep people

informed -- if something was going to go down like an attack on social programs, public

immediately knew -- all of that was taken away.

And lots of other negative things --

[Oregone]

22. britishexpats.com is a good resource

Americans use it too.

[DesertFlower]

23. i'm almost 69. hubby is almost 63.

he's still working and will be entitled to a pension when he retires, but if we were young we'd move to another country.

[Lost4words]

25. Isnt it sad that we have reached this point. It breaks my heart.

[defendandprotect]

27. I know what you mean . . .

I've discussed this in a post below this one --

some of my family have left -- but isn't always possible to make the move --

what of our kids -- do we send them off -- do we go off alone?


But, it also reminds me that in an ironic way many of us would be going back to places

where our families originated --

and certainly we are leaving this continent far from the condition we found it in --

and long ago taken from the Native Americans who occupied it and its outer islands.

They know something about loss of life and home, children and families, as well -- !!

[defendandprotect]

26. Many of us have been thinking of doing that for a long time --

What country isn't a victim of US foreign policy --

And many need resources to make a move like that --

Plus family considerations --

Been thinking of this a lot, recently -- the Irish had to send their kids away

- many came to America --

Germans also came here -- lots of them -- many of them had resources because they

had land to sell --

Shall we start sending our kids away? 70 jobs for every college grad -- ?

Tough to think about -- !!

Some in my family have already made the move -- not to Candada tho -- Ireland.

[Renew Deal]

29. You go first

:hi:

[Politicalboi]

32. I could see if Palin wins in 2012

Then those countries might have sympathy for us. LOL!

[davidpdx]

33. I think you are exaggerating, things will improve

However, I moved to Korea in 2004 and am a permanent resident here now since I am married to a Korean. One thing that I have to admit is the healthcare here in Korea is much better then in the US. Though the current president of Korea (who is about as bad as Bush) is trying to change the system here to the one the US has now (screw the poor). I am hopeful that people won't allow this to happen as they basically have universal health care here and I want it to stay that way.

[Amonester]

34. Did you know Canadians must (or should) carry a government ID card

with their picture on it? I saw many here who objected.

(It's the Single-payer 'free' medical cover thingy.)

[proteus_lives]

35. The sky is falling! Bwak! The sky is falling! Bwak!

:eyes:

[lonestarnot]

36. OMG. You move. See ya.

:hi:

[Born_A_Truman]

38. See ya

:banghead:

Is there something in the water?

[Ozymanithrax]

39. No, I'm gonna ride this baby all the way into the dirt...n/t

[SunnySong]

40. Unlike the US Canada and England enforsce their strict immigration laws..nt

[FreeState]

43. As much as I hate what's happening I love this county and refuse to give up n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

44. I see you've bought into the myth about "entitlements" being the problem.

Cough.



Cough.

[KansasVoter]

45. I 100% agree that we need to end the military. But borrowing from SS is killing us.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. I think we could handle the demographics of an aging population, etc.

if we scaled back the military, ended the drug war, legalized and taxed marijuana, and generally stopped wasting huge shipping containers full of money on mind-bogglingly idiotic shit.

[KatyMan]

46. Not really much different over in the UK...

sure the beer is better, society is more liberal, but they're in financial trouble too. Plus, you get paid way less and your lifestyle would go down. What's the old adage "When the US coughs, the UK gets the flu" or something like that?
You still pay taxes, you still get up and go to work every morning, you still have to deal with idiots...and it's really hard to emigrate. We lived there for 7 years and I find in the end that I prefer it here. I just wish we had pubs.

[sufrommich]

48. lol. Apparently Vote2008 got out right after he posted this. nt

[mmonk]

49. The UK is in an austerity program. I don't see the advantage

until they drop Thatcherism.

[ProgressIn2008]

52. Heh. Canada and Europe seem to be an ever-accessible Disneyland bailout zone

Why would they want Americans?

[RadicalTexan]

53. I moved back to Texas from the UK in 2005

Against my will as it were, as the result of a nasty breakup.

For a long time I would've agreed with your thoughts, but now I think they're just as fucked as we are, if not more (due to Muslim immigration, wayyyyy less space, the impossibility of food self-sufficiency, and the fact that the people there are going to have a harder time getting used to the New Reality, used as they are to long paid vacations, free healthcare, functioning public transport, and massive government entitlement programs in general, which they will soon have to start cutting sharply).

However, the people there are less materialistic and insane and idiotic, on the whole.

Canada I cannot speak to, but I would venture to guess that they will be the best off among the three countries mentioned here, unless they are under a sheet of ice in the winter.

[slackmaster]

54. Mandrake, the Redcoats are coming, and Fifty-Four Forty or Fight

:nuke: