How the Left is helping make Juan Crow Strong

[SargeUNN]

I had the experience of living in Jim Crow Mississippi and watching as it started to fall and finally being undone. The outrage of that time created such a climate that Southerners felt isolated and while wanted the spotlight to get off them, they just got more and more. Things started to change with the younger generations and much of the racism started to die or at least go into the closet. People were informed of the horrors of Jim Crow and stood against strongly. Even James Eastland Senator from Mississippi decided to go along with getting rid of the Jim Crow laws.

Today with Juan Crow starting to establish a national hold, the left expresses some outrage, but even a Democratic Governor of a state said don't worry about immigration only focus on jobs. It is insulting that that Governor would think, first, that we aren't capable of focusing on only one thing, but to say not focus on such a basis thing as civil rights violations is scarey.

The lack of interest in becoming informed on the real facts of the immigration problems, or even the wanting to boil it down to one issue only helps to keep the important parts from surfacing. Obama even said he wanted congress to address it this year which brought a cry of no from Lindsey Graham and other Republicans so the issue is unlikely to be address.

Meanwhile Keith and Rachel miss stories they could report on it and Fox News puts Jan Brewer on, and talks about it with their lies and misinformation while people not sure about it really can't find much to counter the propaganda. One thing I saw a lot of in Jim Crow Mississippi was anything that showed the wrongs of Jim Crow got little or no attention and as a young person, I had to figure it out for myself. Often I believed stuff later I found was not true, but I had to get out of Mississippi to learn them. Today I see that same thing with Juan Crow and I think and fear that Juan Crow will grow stronger and become fashionable until we on the left start to speak out and get serious about it.

[SargeUNN]

1. this is why the Democratic Party and Progressives fail to get it done

we refuse to work together on issues. We would rather bash Obama and ignore such as the immigration law in Arizona. Folks, this law hits at the very core of being a progressive and being a Democrat, but we refuse to get serious and let the right wing own it. I have never been so disappointed in the Progressives and Democrats in my life as I am now. I once admired the toughness on Jim Crow the Democrats and Liberals showed, but am shocked and disappointed they are like jellyfish on this issue. Sure other issues are important, God knows I am very worried about my home area with the oil damages, but I am equally upset with this Arizona. I can focus on both but somehow it is like it seems we just can't unite to stop a racist movement anymore. Maybe we just don't care about it anymore and maybe we want it. I don't know.

[Fumesucker]

2. Maybe if rank and file liberals felt the Democratic politicians were on their side..

They would be more inclined to "work together"? :shrug:

Working with people who call you you "fucking retarded" is fucking retarded.

[SargeUNN]

4. oh really?

that is a really really bad excuse to ignore issues. If that is their reason then they are proving they don't want what they profess. Do you think Jim Crow was easy to overturn? Do you think the country leadership didn't ignore the efforts for decades? If Martin Luther King, and other civil rights leaders had wanted to they could used it and been more justified. Sorry but that excuse is cheap and self defeating. Just be glad those who offer such are not where the blacks were during Jim Crow.

[Fumesucker]

20. I too grew up during Jim Crow..

The Republicans have spent forty years demonizing "liberals" and the Democrats have taken the message to heart, they think liberals are "fucking retarded".

Sorry, I'm not working with people who think I'm "fucking retarded", I can get all the abuse I want from my own family, I don't have to go out and work my ass off for it.

From where I sit yours is just another plea to support Obama's agenda, no matter what it might be. I'm not supporting anyone blindly, if I like what they are doing I'll support that, if I don't like it I'll speak up and criticize it and not support it.

[blondeatlast]

5. Did the OP call anyone "fucking retarded?"

I don't see it--so could you point out how your response relates AT ALL to what the OP said?

[Fumesucker]

19. A well known and powerful Democratic politician called the left "fucking retarded"..

I was talking about liberals working with politicians who have nothing but hatred for liberals and their politics.

And I think you know that.

[blondeatlast]

21. I do? You give me way too much credit. nt

[Bluebear]

3. 'We would rather bash Obama and ignore such as the immigration law in Arizona.'

Nonsense. Who has been "ignoring" the immigration law?

[SargeUNN]

6. just look here for one place

take a survey and look at the topics that come down on Obama, compare the views and responses to those on the immigration issues. Look at Rachel and Keith on MSNBC and see how many stories on the immigration issue they didn't cover.

[Bluebear]

9. 'the topics that come down on Obama' - any notion that they SHOULD come down on Obama?

Why won't he prosecute torturers, for instance? You just want to gloss over stuff like that in favor of a praisefest? How will that help?

[SargeUNN]

11. not falling for that

that isn't the subject. I stated it to prove my point and really trying to change the subject proves me right.

[Bluebear]

14. I'm not changing the subject, I'm trying to converse, which evidently is beyond you.

You mentioned "the topics" that come down on Obama and I gave you an example of one. Whatever, so be it. You've a one-track mind.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Since we don't have thread after thread after thread on it

we are.

Never mind there is an active boycott, there are also marches, and other issues that our media has mostly not covered.

Oh and that the media is also covering this... I mean yesterday I dreamed Keith covering the lawsuit.

I wish I could concentrate attention on just one issue, and this one concerns me, but I learned a while ago that things are related and we need to chew gum and well, walk.

[EFerrari]

16. I really don't know what you are surprised or upset.

PROGRESSIVES made Freedom Summer happen while the Democratic White House kept telling people to stop.

That's how it always is, Sarge. It's not up to politicians to do things like this. They don't, they don't risk. They're politicians.

Don't you go blaming progressives for any of this because progressives are the ones doing the heavy lifting here, not Democrats. And that's the difference between the world of politics and the world of social justice advocacy.

They may overlap sometimes but they are not the same world.

[blondeatlast]

8. There are PLENTY of DUers who are criticizing Obama and supporting the GOOD people (like you and me)

of Arizona.

And yes, a few who can't seem to find any redeeming qualities in the President. To be quite honest, the President is disappointing me big time on this issue. Please keep in mind that there is little that those living in other states can really do. Posting on a message board spreads the word, but there just isn't a whole lot that others can do.

We have lots of allies--and yet you had to find the cleft where many can't meet. With all due respect, not a good strategy.

[gratuitous]

10. So, what are the real facts on the immigration problem?

I hear a lot of balloon juice (even from my next door neighbor) about undocumented aliens getting driver's licenses, going on welfare, getting unemployment, and sending their kids off to the college of their choice on full-ride scholarships. None of this is true, or if there are isolated incidences of these things happening, it's hardly widespread. And nowhere do I hear anyone on the conservative side of the spectrum talking about streamlining the naturalization process so that folks who want to become citizens have a clear path to that goal. I have personally known several people (less than a dozen, but more than six) who have come to the United States, begun the naturalization process, and been shut out when the system malfunctioned and they became illegal, even though they had followed the naturalization procedure to the letter.

Having a national conversation on this topic is well-nigh impossible because the “facts” aren’t even agreed-upon. It’s like trying to decide where to go to dinner with your date. You say you’re thinking Italian or Mexican; she says she want to eat barbed wire and hubcaps. This is not the basis for a discussion. Yes, Arizona’s law is draconian and an illegal usurpation of the federal government’s right and duty to set immigration policy. But you can’t even get to that point with people who want to put up a latter day Berlin Wall on our southern border. The Arizona power grab appeals to knuckleheads who don't even believe in the principle of "majority rules."

[SargeUNN]

12. actually I have posted them before

actually several times before, so instead of reposting I will just refer you to my radio show podcast and let you go back and hear the ones on this issue http://smcws.podbean.com There are several. Another thing is you can go back and find my post on this if you want.

[EFerrari]

13. You are conflating "the left" with the party leadership and their media acolytes.

They aren't the same entity.

The left is firmly against 1070 and has launched many actions to support the boycott.

[blondeatlast]

15. +1. Made much more succinctly than I did, thanks. nt

[MadHound]

17. You're blaming the LEFT for the rise of these laws

:banghead:

How in the hell can you blame the left when it is conservative politicians who are instituting these laws, who are flooding the airwaves with anti-immigrant poison.

Are you getting the left confused with the Democratic party? Or are you just taking this opportunity to do some free form bashing of the left?

[Bluenorthwest]

18. A Republican law being coddled by 'moderate centrists'

and you blame the left? For what the right did with the help of the mushy center? Explain yourself.

[Fumesucker]

22. Everything bad is the fault of the left..

And everything good is the work of the moderate centrists..

I've seen this particular lecture enough times now to have a strong sense of deja moo every time it rears its pointy little head.

[Bluebear]

23. +++

[Greyhound]

24. Yep, it's all those damn libruls fault.

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