Massage therapist reports Gore incident to police by reading prepared statement?

[mzmolly]

How many people read pre-prepared statements when they report a sexual assault? :eyes: See here: http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/06/audio-cops-release-interview-tape-al-gore-accuser">RADARONLINE

A familiar refrain though. Cue card accusations against Democrats are all too familiar these days. I wonder if she'll write a book?

[TexasObserver]

1. It reads like a really bad made for TV movie.

Someone sat down with her and created this ridiculous story, complete with terms that were designed to be republished. If there aren't sleazy GOP operatives involved in its creation, I'll be shocked.

She appears to want notoriety and money.

When a woman gets a lawyer to sue for civil damages for an alleged sexual assault before going to police, the police consider that significant.

[mzmolly]

11. I think you're correct

:(

[gateley]

2. I read excerpts from her statement and they were hysterically

funny. Like the damsel in distress in a bodice-buster novel.

[TexasObserver]

6. All it needs is a photoshopped Al Gore as Fabio.

With her having a bottle of oil in one hand, and a towel in the other.

It's fiction, and it's really bad fiction.

[mzmolly]

13. LOL. She did mention her background in journalism.

Seems she knows how to grab headlines? Or should I say grope headlines. ;)

[earth mom]

17. "Bodice Buster"-that's the perfect description of her so called "statement"

:spray:

[Kingofalldems]

3. Republican all over this one last week

Couldn't wait to spread it around.

[Bitwit1234]

23. That is all it takes if a Democrat is involved the republicans

spin it like a top. It goes on and on endlessly. Even tho they know this is a put up job.

[eShirl]

4. I think she is actually a "massage technician," as opposed to a massage therapist.

edit: I have read both, though, in various stories over the past few days

[Control-Z]

35. I know I could google it

but would you mind telling me the key difference between the two? I know zero about masseuses.

[gateley]

42. I think those are just the different ways she's been referred to in the press. I

don't THINK there is actually a massage "technician" designation.

But I'm not sure - I'm too lazy to Google it, too. :7

[uppityperson]

47. A massage Therapist does massage therapy, like OT does occupational therapy

a massage technician does not have training or license of a massage therapist. Unfortunately Licensed Massage Therapist isn't nation wide, with some states requiring less training, less of a license to be a massage technician than massage therapist.

Looks like some places (CA) require 200 hr program to be licensed as a massage technician. I believe Oregon has Massage Therapists.

Basically, Massage Therapists generally are trying for professional work and status.

Here's a page for one city's massage technician requirements http://www.fostercity.org/Services/safety/police/Massagerequirements.cfm , including fingerprints, ht, wt, color of eyes.
"A certificate executed under penalty of perjury from a medical doctor stating that the applicant for a masseur/masseuse technician permit has, within thirty days immediately prior to the filing of the application, been physically examined and tested for tuberculosis and found to be free from any infectious, contagious or communicable disease capable of being transmitted through the work of therapeutic massage;"

For me in WA, I had to take a 500 hr program and pass a national certification exam to be a LMP (licensed massage practitioner). I am a preferred provider for most insurance companies and no, am not a "masseuse" but a massage therapist, since I do massage therapy, working in conjunction with other health care providers.

It probably depends on how it is used, could mean sex.

[eShirl]

50. well the laws differ from state to state

When my state first starting regulating massage providers (back when I had my massage therapist license), the only license available was for Massage Therapist. I know there were proposals to add a massage technician license, which would require less training but allow people to work under the supervision of another health care professional such as a chiropractor, physical therapist, and such like that. I don't know if that ever went through; I haven't been following it for years.

[mzmolly]

49. She refers to herself as a "therapist" in the interview. nt

[hlthe2b]

5. Gold diggers seeking a multi-million $$ payout for the story?

just sayin....

[DJ13]

7. Sounds like a shakedown but she ended up getting cold feet

[TexasObserver]

9. Here's what probably happened.

She went to the hotel. She gave a normal massage. Only later did she realize that it was actually Al Gore. In the months following the breaking of the Lacrosse allegations, she decided to try to make the visit into a case she could ride to notoriety and money. She probably got an attorney, and he probably told her to go make a report with police. She equivocated. Time passed. She got cold feet. Eventually, she filed her novella with police.

Until Gore's divorce hit the scene, this was dead. The divorce made it a potentially viable scam again, so she trotted it out.

I'm dubious of her story and the whole bullshit attack on Gore.

[tanyev]

12. Just add in one more detail and I think you've got it.

One night at a bar she poured out her story to someone who happened to be very active in Republican politics. Her new friend said, "Hey, I can help you with that" and the rest is history.

[TexasObserver]

18. You're right. I did leave that part out.

There's definitely a GOP operative in the mix.

[musette_sf]

32. yep

perzackley.

[gateley]

41. Her novella!

:rofl:

[Politicalboi]

8. Poor Al

Makes it to the front page of the Enquirer with a verdict already set. Where was the Enquirer when The Dick's (Cheney) name was found in a madams phone book? And that very same madam committed "suicide" not long after the discovery.

[gateley]

44. Since this is the first I've ever heard of it, it wasn't only the Enquirer that was

MIA for this story. It should have been all over the news.

You know, I hear "suicide" in quotes and so often I think :tinfoilhat: but linked with Cheney's name, :scared:

I'm going to have to look that up.

[mzmolly]

48. I think her suicide was due to not wanting to go to jail.

She had very poor representation from what I understand?

[howaboutme]

10. We've created a nation.....NO

NO the news media, and the Parties and their PR people have created a nation and have all figured out ways to make us distrust everything and everyone because there IS actually an agenda behind every story.

I do think her story could be true, yes God forbid, and even a Democrat and Al Gore could have lost his good sense. A man's body only holds enough blood for his brain OR something else. When the blood goes "someplace else" the brain doesn't work. It won't be the first or the last.

Hey unless I had the ad lib ability of Bill Clinton, if I was on national TV making a statement about anything of importance, it would be prepared so I don't fault her there. To be totally honest just because it was Al Gore doesn't mean she isn't telling the truth, or it could mean that he was set up.

The down side to being a wealthy celebrity or politician is that you are vulnerable to this type of stuff, which probably happens frequently with average people but is never of importance.

[mzmolly]

15. "Could be true" vs. likely to be true.

I highly doubt the story.

[mzmolly]

16. deleted dup

[JI7]

20. why the fuck did she refuse to have a criminal investigation ? but she went to the media whores

looking for a million dollars to tell her story.

THAT is what stood out to me and showed she was full of shit.

also the stupid comments.

[earth mom]

14. Corporate America is waging war on anything that affects their bottom line.

They will do anything to tarnish Gore's reputation.

And who knows, maybe Al did want to sleep with the woman. But I doubt it happened the way that woman described it because the story reads like a bad novel, with the same kind of pent up drama to keep readers enthralled. IF and I mean if, it happened, it was probably more of a very tame and awkward conversation. Al is NOT a player, nor is he desperate, like that story suggests.

[JI7]

19. she is full of shit, fuck her

there are people who are sexually assaulted all the time. and this one is making it up to try to profit from it.

refusing to have a criminal investigation. people said many victims refuse because of feelings of shame . but this one was looking to tell the story to some media whore outlet who paid her a million.

she should be the one in jail for making shit up.

[leftygolfer]

34. well said

she demeans real victims with this game of hers

[JI7]

21. this fits in with Parlock, Balloon Boy, girl accusing some black guy of carving a B on her face

[mzmolly]

26. Absolutely agree.

n/t

[Cleita]

22. We Americans need to grow up and out of

our national adolescence. Powerful men have mistresses and plenty of pootie on the side as well, no matter what their sexual orientation is. In Europe, other than Great Britain, no one cares. A leaders sexuality has little to do with his competence and ability to lead. It really is a private matter between him and his family. No one else should be concerned about this. If we had a mature attitude about this, there would be no opportunity for Paula Jones type bimbos to see an opportunity to wreck a person's life and reputation with what could be false allegations.

I say we become grown-ups about this.

[mzmolly]

27. I don't believe

the claims in this case.

[Cleita]

29. I don't either, but it shouldn't even be an issue except

between Gore and the woman involved.

[mzmolly]

30. Some of the claims venture into the

realm of assault, so it might be an issue from a legal standpoint. Though police rightfully said there wasn't enough evidence to pursue charges.

[karynnj]

36. I agree in part - that works if the accusation was for something to which both consented

It is NOT ok if the woman did not consent. (Here - the key is that the police did not believe the accusation and ruled there was insufficient proof to go further. So, as you are presumed innocent until proven guilty, it is completely wrong that this story has been given the huge coverage it has. If the story - as the Portland police clearly believe, how does Gore get his reputation back. )

Lack of proof is the problem. It is important to believe that no matter how important, connected, powerful or rich a man is - or how insignificant or what a woman's profession is it is not immature to say that these type of accusations are completely wrong.

[Cleita]

46. No woman should be forced into a

sexual relationship, nor should a man be.Then it's sexual assault. However, we need to grow up about what are often consensual sexual arrangements between three parties particularly among the rich and famous. If we did that, these gold diggers who probably are being backed and goaded by men who want to destroy someone, wouldn't exist. Now think about which monied interests would like to destroy Al Gore? Perhaps big petroleum? Or, it could be any industry that makes money off of destroying the environment.

This so smells of Paula Jones, it reeks. They laugh at people who are morally outraged, because they know how silly and immature it is.

[prolesunited]

24. I really sense B.S. on this one

[mzmolly]

31. I do too.

She reads from a highly detailed statement, yet sounds detached. She sounds like she's reading something written FOR her. vs. BY her. She explains her unusual pausing as she reads, by saying she has new glasses?

[politicasista]

52. Somebody trying to set Gore up

IMO.

[WolverineDG]

25. Liar

I know we're supposed to automatically believe every single thing told to us by someone claiming to be abused/raped, but this is bull shit.

dg

[Dawson Leery]

28. This is a shakedown.

She doesn't want to file criminal charges, but she wants a financial settlement.
This is just too obvious.

[mzmolly]

33. Questions raised about Gore accuser.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/25/questions-raised-about-gore-accuser/?fbid=akBqvbjIH_i

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127742356072812500

... snip

Along the way, we uncovered information that created significant questions in the minds of the four editors and the investigative reporter who were involved with this story. We still are not yet in a position to publish the information that helped dissuade us from the story.

Also factoring into our decision were conditions the therapist attempted to set forth concerning how the story would be written. She attempted to make her cooperation contingent upon her having a degree of editorial control that we couldn't allow.

In 2007, our choice was either to publish the existence of a third-hand accusation, with little corroborating evidence, or to hold publication until we had more evidence to support it. In 2008, after further reporting by Budnick, our choice was to either publish an ethically compromised story that omitted key facts or not to publish at all.

Frankly, we don’t believe it is a journalist’s responsibility to merely report accusations without also substantiating them. Some people — even other journalists — might disagree. But at the Tribune, we remain comfortable with the decisions we have made and recognize that our standards for accusing someone of a serious offense are different from those of a national tabloid.


... /snip

[Rex]

37. Repukes love staging fake shit against Dems...just ask Jimmy Carter

or how about the 2000 election. I won't be surprised when I find out this is another entrapment issue...ie...ACORN. :eyes:

Pukes will do anything to smear a Dems name...but don't you return the favor! No sir! Evidently, Pukes are really really really sore losermans!

[mzmolly]

38. Agreed. She consulted with an attorney,

yet she wasn't interested in money? :eyes: She also gets hung up on the details near the end of the first tape, when the detective starts asking questions. She also indicated that she was no longer in the business, yet shows the detective a card with her services listed?

[Rex]

39. Too many inconsistencies and ya the attorney thing just screams

MONEY$$$! The only thing I can say as devils advocate is she was maybe extremely intimidated by the fact that it was Al Gore! I don't believe that, but hey I've been wrong before.

[w4rma]

40. Money, money, money. She wants money. And she has zero proof that she was ever even in the same room

with Al Gore, ever.

[mzmolly]

43. She may have pulled a story from other events that actually happened?

I have a friend who is a legit therapist and she's had several freaky incidents. Her husband is now present whenever possible.

[mzmolly]

45. Listening to the tape now. At one point she says she didn't run out of the room

because she feared being "tazed" by the SS. Later in the interview, she noted that she asked him where his secret service protection was and why he didn't have any etc. She's totally FOS, IMHO.

[Heywood J]

51. Who calls their alleged assailant a "crazed sex poodle"?

Someone looking for a sound bite, it sounds like.

Detective Molly Daul is heard interviewing the woman in January 2009, two-and-a-half years after the alleged incident occurred and after she'd canceled three previous appointments with investigators.

Let me guess, the other appointments were canceled when it became apparent Gore wouldn't go for the '08 nomination and she couldn't time them for maximum effect.

[mzmolly]

53. My thoughts as well.

She said she has an education in journalism, so she knows how to spin a yarn.

[h9socialist]

54. This is about the shoddiest stunt I've ever seen!

The case is closed, and this damned underhanded.