'new poll shows doubts about the President's ability'

[spanone]

fuck you chuck todd

m$nbc

President has 45% approval rating and they are calling this poll 'brutal'

[WI_DEM]

1. I don't understand that at all

Obama has faced many difficulties and triumped many times. His handling just yesterday of that situation was superb. His getting HCR when the media predicted it was dead. The economy is slowly but surely coming back especially compared to what he inherited. The bottom line is that things will not be rosy poll wise until the economy is humming. Despite this nearly every poll shows that Obama has been remarkably stable in his position for months.

[spanone]

3. he started out his show with this 'headline'

it just pissed me off. ten minutes into his show he hasn't mentioned it.

[Dawson Leery]

2. ------->

:thumbsdown:

[spanone]

4. insightful

[DrDan]

5. why blame Chuck Todd?

"Sixty-two percent of adults in the survey feel the country is on the wrong track"

"For the first time, more people disapprove of Mr. Obama's job performance than approve"

and

"Just one-third think the economy will get better over the next year, a 7-point drop from a month ago and the low point of Mr. Obama's tenure."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703900004575325263274951230.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

WSJ/NBC New poll


Jobs Jobs Jobs. That's the key. Is it being attacked aggressively by the WH?

[spanone]

8. gulf gulf gulf...it's the oil spill

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/23/nbcwsj-poll-americans-losing-faith-in-obama/

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/06/23/4552523-nbcwsj-poll-obamas-standing-takes-a-hit

[DrDan]

14. that was one question asked - hardly the defining issue

look at the past polls - they have been telling the WH and anyone else that will listen, that Americans are dissatisified with Obama's handling of the economy - jobs jobs jobs.

Here is but one example - of many.

"Voters continue to rate the economy as the most important issue regularly tracked by Rasmussen Reports"

"Thirty-four percent (34%) of Americans expect the unemployment rate in the United States to be higher a year from today. That marks a five-point increase in pessimism from December"

http://www.redstate.com/jeffdunetz/2010/03/17/generic-ballot-trends-reflect-voter-dissatisfaction-with-obamas-progressive-agenda/

[Scuba]

6. Using polls to shape, not measure, opinion.

[DrDan]

7. and how is that . . . reporting on a completed poll?

[Scuba]

9. One simple example....

How one describes the results of the poll, e.g., "poll results are a brutal blow to the president" when they are no such thing.

I won't go into how poll questions are developed (do you still beat your wife?) or how poll respondents are selected.

[DrDan]

15. you fear we wouldn't understand those tricky details around poll questions . . . .

Rather than blaming the polls - look around. High unemployment. Oil leak still leaking. Still at war. Gridlock in Washington - even with control of both houses.

Sure - there are "excuses" for each issue. But . . . Americans are not seeing progress - just more words about how complex the issues are.

The results are not surprising.

[Scuba]

24. Sorry, I've confused you...

My intent wasn't to claim there was nothing about which we should be disatisfied. It was to remind DU members that polls are more likely (my opinion) to be used as opinion shapers than opinion measurers.

When a poll says 45% of Americans are disatisfied with the President's performance, that doesn't sound 'brutal' to me.

[DrDan]

25. I agree - and apparently what is being reported is that Americans are beginning to have doubts

which also doesn't sound brutal

[papadog]

10. Obama has been less than inspirational.

A leader is supposed to lead, not ask others if it's ok to go in a direction or rule by consensus. I really disliked Bush but at least he tried to inspire his base, Obama hasn't. His "bullhorn" moment was the Gulf Oil Crisis and all he managed to do was let himself get play for a chump by BP. Consession after consession to the right has gotten nowhere while alientaing his base. Youi can talk about accomplishements but in the end they were milquetoast. HCR, please give away to big insurance. The economy, whatever bailouts and whatever big business wants. Obama has tried so much to appease the right he appears ready to hand them the whitehouse in 2012. I voted for this guy. that was my mistake. I won't do it again, even if I have to leave that section blank.

[spanone]

13. 'his accomplishments were milquetoast' bwahahahahahaaa

[Poboy]

22. "We will do whatever it takes"

He is LYING, or just doesn't give a shit. The federal response and oversight of the containment and mitigation is PATHETIC.
He has had over 2 months. He has promised he would correct the error on his part. He has not. This is unforgivable.

[frustrated_lefty]

11. I don't get the anger.

It was a poll.

[zipplewrath]

12. The press is incompetent

Anyone who knows very much about statistics or polling knows that raw numbers are often stupidly misleading. Yet the press tends to only focus upon those.

I'm not big cheerleader for Obama, but one thing you CAN'T claim is that he is somehow being a "failure" based upon his polling. Considering the economy, two unpopular wars, and the oil spill, the fact that his polling numbers AREN'T in the low to mid '30s is friggin' amazing. He started in atmospheric numbers that wouldn't have been sustainable by Jesus Christ himself. Heck, Peter denied him 3 times and it was CHRIST that was being crucified.

He took major hits over his Health Insurance Industry Stimulus package, and emerged with nearly a 50% approval rating. He's got the worst man made ecological disaster in decades on his hands, and he's still in the high 40's. He has a war that's going badly, and a jobs situation that won't get better, and he's still in the high 40's. He's got a an economy that always seems to be teetering on the edge of a second collapse, and his numbers are still in the high 40's. He's backed several loosing candiates, in pivotal races, and his numbers are still in the high '40s.

If there is a "teflon presidency", this has got to be it. If there is a story here, it ISN'T about whether he's at 43% or 48%. It's about how he's nowhere NEAR 30%

[DrDan]

19. who called him a "failure"?

Americans are dissatisfied. Which issue is getting better? Sure - there are lots of excuses - we hear them daily. But where is the WH actually making progress? This is the message from this poll. And the WH should sit up and listen.

oh yeah - Wall Street got bailed out - I forgot that.

[zipplewrath]

20. I don't particularly disagree with your assessment

His numbers are great, considering all that's going on. If there is a story here, it would be that they are probably "soft". I.e a small turn in the economy and it could all go to hell. And the WH should (and I suspect does) pay attention. But I'd also bet they are mildly surprised because in all reality, his numbers should be vastly worse. The question you are sort of asking is "why". That's a damn fine question, but not one Mr. Todd is asking.

[Beacool]

16. To quote the '92 campaign: It's the economy, stupid.

Where are the jobs? Fairly or not, the president and the Democrats will bear the brunt of people's dissatisfaction.

;(

[papadog]

17. The only poll that matter is the one on the 2nd Monday of November 2012.

The rest are just snapshots of what the country feels at the moment.

[zipplewrath]

21. And if those moments last

They can become hardened opinions. His numbers are relatively good right now. If they can keep them there, it will serve him well. If they go down and STAY down, he could be screwed.

[depakid]

18. As the consequences from the oil spill triangulation and such continue

the day might come when people wish that America had a Westminster style government....

[BeFree]

23. Leave Obama a loan!!

He's just the president, geez, you people think he had power or something?

Loan him your hearts and mind
And in the end you'll find
We'll all be eating pork rinds.

Well not all us, because the elites will be eating the porkchops and trickling the rinds down to us and we'll be hap, hap, happy.

Can U say Scrude?