FBI INFORMER Offered To Lead Dix-Six Into Battle &To Provide The "MOST" Potent Weapons

[kpete]

An informer had entered the group, offered to lead it into battle, and "seemed to be pushing the idea of buying the deadliest items, startling at least one of the suspects."

The Role of an F.B.I. Informer Draws Praise as Well as Questions About Legitimacy
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By DAVID KOCIENIEWSKI
Published: May 10, 2007

It was August 2006 when one of the young Muslim men accused of plotting to kill soldiers at Fort Dix first broached the idea, according to the authorities. Talking to an informer who was secretly taping the exchange, the young man said that he thought he could round up six or seven other men willing to take part, and that a rocket-propelled grenade might be the most effective weapon, the authorities said.

And he had one more notion: He wanted the informer to lead the attack, according to a federal complaint. “I am at your services,” the young man is quoted as telling the informer, who had presented himself as an Egyptian with a military background.

That moment, recorded on tape and submitted in federal court this week in Camden, N.J., as the authorities charged six Muslim men in the plot, captures something of the complexity of using informers in terror investigations. The informer, sent to penetrate a loose group of men who liked to talk about jihad and fire guns in the woods, had come to be seen by the suspects as the person who might actually show them how an act of terror could be carried off.

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And when efforts to finally get the more potent weapons seemed close to producing results, the informer presented a list of possible arms that could now be bought. The list included fully automatic machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades. But it was the men who scaled back their ambitions.

more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/nyregion/10informer.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

[displacedtexan]

1. I knew that story smelled fishy from the get-go!

I'm sick and tired of this crap.

Yes, there are stupid people out there, but it usually
takes an informer or and FBI plant to rile them up.

[ShortnFiery]

2. "group of men who liked to talk about jihad and fire guns in the woods"

Wow, don't we all feel safe now? I wouldn't be surprised if they sold generic cologne on street corners like the mighty homeless Florida 7. :eyes:

This is what happens when law enforcement does not TRULY enlist the friendship and cooperation of the local (Muslim) communities. Bring in an informant that eggs them on and feeds them the information that will later be used to convict. Most of the inventions are that of the informant. :thumbsdown:

[reprehensor]

5. Reminds me of the "Candian Terror Plot"

http://www.911blogger.com/node/3710

"PLOTTER OUT TO ‘BEHEAD’ PM" etc.

[DearAbby]

11. Correct me if I am wrong....

but doesn't this fall into "ENTRAPMENT?" I mean, without this "informer" would this group of men would have actually acted, to commit this crime?

[Beelzebud]

3. There is a term for this: Entrapment

[Old and In the Way]

4. It used to be that the FBI would infiltrate to expose and neutralize these potential attacks.

I wonder if they are now being used to exploit and make such attacks more probable? If the end is creating a more "secure" state, these type of attacks could be advantageous to that end.

[ShortnFiery]

10. I say that the FBI is causing more harm by not enlisting the moderate Muslim community ...

It's an "us" versus "them" mentality that Neo-Cons love to war and fear-monger the populace.

Hell, we could even make a TV show like the Radio Series concerning top level INFILTRATION.

Instead of "I was a Communist for The FBI" we can modernize it to "I was a Jihadist for the FBI." :wow:

Same old fear-mongering bullshit of *the other* that has made our country's Military Industrial Complex in charge of our Government's foreign policies. :thumbsdown:

[aquart]

6. Entrapment again.

Not that these twits didn't deserve to be screwed over. Idiots! Morons! Heartless pigs! But, that said, they weren't up to the job. It was the FBI that did the heavy lifting.

Another case that will never come to trial?

Meantime, all their families are ruined. I hope their fathers curse their names.

[Canuckistanian]

7. Clear case of entrapment

Almost textbook.

The contact/informer was clearly goading them to do something they wouldn't normally have done.

In fact, the informer was getting dangerously close to being considered the leader of the plan.

[bonito]

8. Searching for Beavis & Butthead types

Beware :rofl:

[Stinky The Clown]

9. In related newz, Gonzo declares 'Entrapment' a 'quaint concept'.

I love how the lap dog media was all over this story when it first broke.

I am appalled at how they ignore it as it unravels before their eyes.

[DearAbby]

12. Came back to K&R

Good lord, this shit burns me up. It is scandal fatigue the shit this administration does, slaps you in the face. Blatant, and technically a terrorist act in of itself. They are creating situations, terror plots, to keep this country in fear....just who are the terrorists?

[EC]

13. Knew it, knew it, knew it

just like in Florida last year...another set-up...these stings are entrapment, and who knows if these guys would have done anything more than talk if the "informant" wasn't goading it?