So this lady in Englewood, FL that disturbed the turtle nest has a reputation as a....

[A HERETIC I AM]

...well, for lack of a better term, she's a bitch.

She made the front page of the Englewood Sun and what I found kind of interesting about the story is the following segment;

Neighborhood residents, drawn to Schultz's home by the media presence, were eager to talk Tuesday.

For years, they said they have been harassed by Schultz who intimidated them by calling the Sheriff's Office if they stopped on her property to admire the sunset or throw down a towel to go for a swim.

"She's been a problem for a long time," said Frank Wagner. "She throws people's clothes, wallets and towels into the Gulf. I think she should be arrested as she has."

Kendall Jackson, who lives across the street from Schultz on Shore Drive, has long been frustrated.

"I can't say I'm sorry," he said. "This is not a good time to be doing anything like that. This is not a good time for wildlife. She should have known better."

Mary Capecci, also a neighborhood resident, was once ticketed and fined by deputies for trespassing on Schultz's stretch of beach.

"This is the first time that anything has gone against Juanita," Capecci said. "The situation has always been very aggressive from her and she has always used law enforcement to promote her point of view. This is a huge change for the south end of Manasota Key."

This quote also caught my eye;

Schultz is well-known by sheriff's deputies. She has called them hundreds of times over the 40 years she has lived on the property to remove people who stop on her beach. Anyone who stops is trespassing, including turtle nest monitors, Schultz said.

So she is known by local law enforcement and has a reputation in her neighborhood as being a total and complete bitch!

Here's the story from the Englewood paper's website;

http://www.sunnewspapers.net/articles/tsnews.aspx?ArticleID=458965&pubdate=6/23/2010

There is a difference in the text of the online story and the printed one, however. In print, it is stated that Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission called a press conference on the beach to discuss the charges against her and one of her tenants. Shortly after the press conference was over, this dipshit WALKED ACROSS THE TURTLE NEST in full view of reporters and photographers!

What a fucking moron.

My mother lives in Englewood, and while she doesn't know this woman personally, she has friends who do know her. As I said above, the woman has a reputation in this area and it isn't a very savory one.

[WI_DEM]

1. Hundreds of calls to police over 40-years! She's a nuisance.

[joeybee12]

2. I say bring back the death penalty! n/t

[SwampG8r]

6. we still have and enjoy the death penalty in florida

[MattBaggins]

73. enjoy?

[SwampG8r]

76. get a list of who we have used it on

we are all better for the loss

[MattBaggins]

77. Different world veiws and values I suppose

I find it almost impossible to tell the difference between the criminals and the droolers that enjoy their deaths.

Cut from the same cloth it would seem, but it could be just me.

[SwampG8r]

79. and i find it hard to tell between

the droolers and those who would keep rabid animals alive

but it could just be me

[Codeine]

3. Private beaches are an affront to decency. nt

[Dappleganger]

13. Absolutely agreed!

This is a HUGE problem for us beach goers with the wealthy successfully cutting off as much access to PUBLIC beaches as possible. They lobby the city council to put as many public parking spots out of business as they can in order to keep "those people" off of "their" beaches.

Fuck 'em!!

[arcadian]

27. Yup, in Hawaii they are against the law

Property owners also have to grant access to beaches across their property.

[Xithras]

30. No, they aren't

Hawaii, like many states, declares that all beach below the upper wave line is public property. Most states have something similar. Hawaii has two laws that grant the public access to these beaches. First, property developers are required to install public beach accesses when land is developed along a beach. These become public property, and belong to the people. This, unfortunately, only kicks in when a property is subdivided.

To encourage others to grant access, Hawaii offers a small break on property taxes to landowners who develop beach access across their private property. Participation isn't required, though many Hawaiian landowners do it for the money (and because it's neighborly).

That said, there are still quite a few "private" beaches on the Hawaiian islands. If the landowner doesn't want the tax break, the land hasn't been subdivided, and the beach is entirely encircled by the property, there are no laws requiring them to permit public access. The beach, in that situation, would still be considered "public", but you would only be able to access it via boat.

[arcadian]

54. That's bullshit

There are no privately owned beaches in Hawaii

[SunnySong]

71. No he is correct the key phrase is the beach is encircled by the property.

[Xithras]

78. No, just public beaches with no public access

All beaches are public, and I said that. But Hawaii does NOT require private landowners to grant the public access to those beaches. If there is no public access point to that beach, and the landowners do not want to permit the public to access across their property, there is no legal way for the public to access that "public" beach other than boat or kayak. This isn't a common problem (most landowners enjoy the tax break, and allow public trails across their property), but there ARE still a few smaller beaches spread across the islands that cannot be accessed by land because the landowners prohibit the public from crossing their property. The beach is still "public", but it's effectively a private beach because only the landowners can reach it without a boat.

The only requirement for public access occurs at the time that a property is formally developed or subdivided. When that happens, Hawaiian law requires the developer to designate a public access point to any public beaches that might be isolated by a development. That's why you can walk across the property of any hotel in Hawaii to access the beaches on the other side...when the hotel was built, they were legally required to provide access. In residential areas that predate that law, or in undeveloped areas, there is no such requirement and beach access is entirely at the landowners discretion. They can't deny you use of the beach, but they can deny you use of their property to access it.

The simplest examples of this are the beaches of Ni'ihau. Like all other beaches in the Hawaiian islands, Ni'ihau's beaches are open to the public. And yet very few people get to see them. Why? Because the primary access point to the island (the helipad) is private, and the owners refuse to grant public access to it. You can't access public beaches because the landward access point is entirely closed. You CAN access them if you have your own boat, however. Each of the other islands has at least one beach with similar limitations.

100% of Hawaiian beaches are public. 99% of Hawaiian beaches have public landward access.

[blondeatlast]

55. +1. nt

[maxsolomon]

4. Property is Theft

while America is built on believing exactly the opposite of that, most people feel that beaches should not be private property.

it's still amazing to me that anyone can OWN the beach.

[SwampG8r]

7. no lawyer here

but a life long resident
in florida you only can "own"to the high tide line
below that is public

[maxsolomon]

9. same here in WA state

effectively, it means the beaches are privatized. we have a state park on Puget Sound where the county sheriff enforces property rights of homes sitting on a bluff a 100' above the beach.

hard for turtles to make nests below the high tide line.

[Generic Other]

18. I trespass on Puget Sound beaches as much as possible

Been yelled at and screamed a few times...

Older deeds allow some landowners to claim property to the low tide line. In Washington, you can own the tidelands. But the "Public Trust Doctrine" states that while you may own the land, you cannot prevent the public from accessing it. Lots of conflict over these inconsistent property rights laws.

So far I have never been stopped by the law. Guess they have more important things to do than chase people walking on beaches.

[maxsolomon]

20. not at Salt Water State Park in Des Moines

the KingCo deputies are strict.

[Generic Other]

23. Good to know

I have a boat though...they have to chase me down on the high seas...

[Hannah Bell]

70. i used to play on the beach there as a kid with no problems?

[WolverineDG]

26. Same in Texas; it's long been common law, but

was made statutory in the '50's, with the understanding that hurricanes can & do change the high tide lines & so what yesterday was "your" property could today be "public" property. So instilled is this right to the public to use the beaches that even in right-wing areas, people were :nopity: to the morons who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on vacation homes on Galveston Island after Hurricane Ike when they complained that the law was "unfair" & that they should be compensated for their losses under "eminent domain."

dg

[elehhhhna]

28. spending tons of dough on Galv's suck beach is a folly...

it's pathetic. series11!!

[WolverineDG]

31. there's a reason in the olden days, that only the very poor & very rich

built their homes on the beach. Spending hundreds of thousands of $$s on a beachfront vacation home in hurricane country is asking for a world of hurt.

dg

[alarimer]

44. The Open Beaches Act is one of the most progressive beach access laws in the country.

Yes, anything below the vegetation line is public and cannot be obstructed. If that line changes (as with hurricanes or other events that cause erosion) your house must be moved from the public beach.

[tsuki]

68. In NWF, they are claim the 100 year mark which has eroded into the

Gulf. No towel rights in NWF. People, including tourists, have been arrested and charged with trespass.

[supernova]

5. She sounds like she ahs erm... "issues"

to be kind.

And I mean the kind of issues that should be managed with modern chemistry.

[lpbk2713]

8. I figured as much when I first read the account.

I knew she would turn out to be a real neighborhood PITA. And the fact that her neighbors
did not mind having their names used reinforces their opinions of this genuine asshole.

[snooper2]

10. Here's a post she wrote responding to an article..

basically bitching about the state adding sand to the beaches to prevent erosion, thus making it public property. She doesn't like that one bit.

This is a person that deserves the C word...


http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/27/its-your-land-stealing-the-beach/

Juanita Schultz Report

I own private beach front property. Constitutionally, this is a taking of our land becasue they do not and can not afford to pay what market value is for our property. My neighbors and I pay 1/4th of all property taxes paid in Florida. If they take my property, I hope they realize we would no longer have to pay the rediculous tax bills simple because I would no longer have beach front property. If the Sumpeme Court would allow this to happen, you might as well take the constitution and throw it in the garbage. Also note, sand put on any beach for errosion usually lasts 2 to 6 months and then it's washed away. I've lived here 40 years and one thing you learn living on the water Mother Nature will do what she wants and if man would leave things alone Mother Nature would take care of the land and water. There are 360 million living spiecies in this world and only one keeps destroying it...Man.

[snooper2]

11. And here's another article with her in it from last year

At least at 71 we know she won't have to much longer to continue her bitchy ways..


http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090525/ARTICLE/905251027/2055?p=3&tc=pg

Cameron and Lt. Edwin Ellinwood, commander of the Englewood district, said deputies use a "wet sand rule:" visitors are allowed to walk, fish or sit on the beach as long as they are on wet, packed sand. Dry sand is considered private property.

Ellinwood said deputies give trespass warnings, rather than citations. Repeat offenders risk arrest.

"There should be a consistent response; I agree with her," Cameron said. "They should know what rule to go by when an officer comes out, and that's our fault."

He said newer deputies needed to be updated on the neighborhood history.

But Schultz says her rights stem from her deed, giving ownership "to the waters of the Gulf of Mexico." She agrees that the water's edge should be the guideline, but not wet sand, which can extend high up on her property.

Meanwhile, Schultz has some legal entanglements of her own. In April, the DEP sent her and other property owners a letter saying they had 21 days to remove signposts and rope fences. The department says they are structures requiring a permit or exemption.

[Dappleganger]

14. There will probably be a neighborhood block party when she finally

kicks the bucket.

[lpbk2713]

16. Maybe one windy day a house might fall on her.

I hope someone remembers to get her ruby slippers.

[flvegan]

25. Her 2009 property taxes: $7,769.04.

Hardly 1/4 of all property taxes in Florida (even with her neighbors).

[Mimosa]

57. That's high for my income level.

What's the sales tax in FL? I've heard there's no income tax in FL, which is why people like Rush Limbaugh moved there.

[flvegan]

59. FL sales tax is 6%.

And yes, there's no income tax in Florida.

[SwampG8r]

64. 6% for the state

i dont know if monroe county has a sales tax or not right now
is she in monroe county?

[tsuki]

69. 6% with an optional 1% levy from the counties.

[elehhhhna]

29. " p.s. Get OFF MY SANDY lawn!!1!! "

[liberal N proud]

12. Question of ownership on the beach

Do the beach-front properties actually own the beach?

I always assumed there was a certain part of the beach that was public, am I wrong?

[Dappleganger]

15. In our counties, no.

This is Atlantic side, however. The property owners do everything they can to block legal, public access to public beaches, however (including bribery and threats).

[flvegan]

21. I'm looking at the Plat of her property

Plat Book 2, Page 88 for anyone that wants to know. She owns Lot 9 and the S 1/2 of Lot 8 in Block A which is beachfront. According to the plat, she owns "the beach" to a point. That point being 35' away from the mean high tide line.

That said, we've been bombarded with video of this in Florida. The turtle nest is a ways up the beach, and may have been on her property. Doesn't trump the law that says you can't disturb the nest. No more than she could have shot the turtle for coming on her property to make the nest.

[A HERETIC I AM]

36. Hey Vegan, have you got a link to where you found that?

Or perhaps a street address? I want to have a look at it on Wikimapia or Google Earth. I'm pretty sure my moms place is only a few miles away.

For the record, Mom lives in Englewood (As I mentioned in the OP) but not on or even real close to the beach. As the crow flies, she's probably 2 to 3 miles from a sandy Gulf shoreline. However, at the end of her street, about 100 yards from her front door is a dock area on a canal that leads to Lemon Bay, the body of water which is the backside of Manasota Key.

[flvegan]

38. Sure, here's the PA page

(property appraiser)

http://www.ccappraiser.com/Show_parcel.asp?acct=411913232009%20%20&gen=T&tax=T&bld=T&oth=T&sal=T&lnd=T&leg=T

[A HERETIC I AM]

40. Cool. Thanks n/t

[A HERETIC I AM]

43. Aw, geezuz. I was over there about two weeks ago. I drove right in front of her place.

Here's a wikimapia link;

http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=26.9140341&lon=-82.3552108&z=18&l=0&m=h

Just to the south of her is the entrance to Stump Pass Beach State Park.

I was over there just there other day.

And I was real close on the distance. Using Wikimapia's distance measure tool, my moms place is 2.7 miles as the crow flies to that dip shits house.

Gives me the willies knowing I am that close to such a notorious asshole.

[flvegan]

46. Now your mom knows which house to egg on Halloween!

[SwampG8r]

65. i live 3 blocks from the atlantic

i go every night i can to watch the turtles come in
what kind of a cracked out pathetic excuse for a person
much less a floridian
would act towards turtles the way this woman does?
christ on a cross i even stop my car on the highway to help dumbass land turltes not get crushed
even the ugly leathery bitey ones
i do not often invest myself in another person enough to require an emotional response but this woman...
this woman i hate

[4_TN_TITANS]

17. A very possessive attitude and mistrust of others

is a symptom of alzheimers (the 'get off my lawn' syndrome of some elderly). I wish her a speedy journey.

[Odin2005]

19. Not a moron, a typical Libertarian jerkwad is what she is.

[Posteritatis]

32. Aren't those terms synonymous? (nt)

[Odin2005]

51. Many sociopaths are quite intelligent.

And the kindest and most generous person I know is a mentally disabled gal with Down's Syndrome, associating selfishness with lack of intelligence is an insult to the mentally disabled.

[tammywammy]

22. She sounds like just a peach to deal with

I'm thankful I don't live next door to someone like that.

[pitohui]

24. i hope they throw the book at her

sounds like she abused people for years including misuse of police resources to harass others on the beach, including the turtles

nobody will miss this person if she goes to jail or the loony bin for awhile

i didn't know any beach could be privately owned in florida but it's been many years since i've been there, is this some reagan era law?

[Hannah Bell]

33. where does her money come from?

[A HERETIC I AM]

37. Well, she's been here for 40 years, so she could have gotten that property for a song back then...

and she has rentals, so that is at least part of her income.

While Englewood and the surrounding areas do have their fair share of very wealthy, it is for the most part just middle class retirees. She didn't necessarily have to be loaded to own where she owns if her timing was right.

40 years ago, her timing was probably right.

Wealthy, loaded or not, she is has now garnered a status she'll regret ever bringing on herself. She'll be made a pariah in the area I'll bet. There are an awful lot of people here who appreciate the wildlife and brazenly fucking with Sea Turtles won't get her ANY fans.

This won't end well for her.

[Name removed]

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[A HERETIC I AM]

35. Bull.

Bull Sharks.

Much more prevalent in the Gulf and more likely to taste her!

[notadmblnd]

39. We have one like that in our neighborhood

Nosy, old busybody that has nothing better to do than to stand in her window and look for reasons to call the police. One of my sons friends waved at her one day, she didn't bother to wave back so he pulled up his chair and stared right back at her. She marched her butt over to my house and threatened to call the police because he was looking at her.

I had the kid apologize and explained to him that she's just an lonely old lady. But what I really think is that if she wasn't such a witch, she might have a few friends and she might not be so lonely.

[Bunny]

41. So, in spite of Skinner's clarification of the rules, apparently it's still

okay to refer to a woman as a "bitch", "bitchy", "the C-word" and "tard". Good to know.

[tammywammy]

42. Did you alert? n/t

[Bunny]

48. Yes. About seven hours ago.

[A HERETIC I AM]

49. If my use of a particular word offended you or anyone else, then I apologize.

But, as I stated in my OP, it was "for lack of a better term".

Unfortunately, this woman perfectly embodies definitions 2 & 3 from the online Merriam Webster Dictionary's definition of the word, to wit;

2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman —sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 : something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant.

If you don't like the word, I'm sorry I used it, but in this woman's case, it perfectly describes her actions and attitude.

I must say that this is one of the reasons I put up so few threads. There is just simply no way to avoid not pissing someone off on this message board, regardless of language used or subject matter. The thread could have been about kittens playing with yarn and someone would consider complaining or alerting.

[Bunny]

50. Sorry, but there are ALWAYS better terms to choose from.

Asshole, for example. It describes her perfectly, and it's gender neutral.

Frankly, I'm aware that the word 'bitch' is included in the dictionary. So are ni**er, fa**ot, and just about any oher perjorative you can name. But somehow I doubt that you'd include any of those in a post, no matter how much someone may "perfectly embody" the definition. Now, why is that?

You could put up a lot more threads if you reviewed the rules and took them into consideration - it's not me preventing you from posting.

[A HERETIC I AM]

52. I don't put up more threads because I've lost interest in doing so....

not because I need to review the rules, thank you very much.

I posted on this subject because it literally is close to home, or at least my moms home.

"it's not me preventing you from posting."

Thanks for the tip, but until about 25 minutes ago, I didn't know you existed.

It wasn't my best writing, I admit. Next time I'll do my best to find a more "gender neutral" euphemism.

Or a more obscure one.

"Termagant"
"Vituperator"
"Calumniator"
"Battle Ax"

[Bunny]

53. Well, I must say you've cut me to the quick. You didn't know I existed until 25 minutes ago?

How is that possible? I'm distraught. :cry:

For future reference, I prefer 'calumniator'. It really rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?

[Mimosa]

58. I agree because use of such words reduces the common vocabulary. n/t

[SwampG8r]

66. gotta agree

i mean i just learned 4 new things to call someone so thats a very good thing

[pitohui]

61. heretic, my friend, to be honest and accurate can NEVER be wrong

you used the right word

describing someone's action's accurately and honestly is the right thing to do

pandering to the mealymouth and the kiss-ass can never be the right thing to do

if it was 1930, some people would be mad if you described hitler as an ex-con, i say, fuck em and continue to be honest and accurate

the woman in question is a true example of evil for the sake of evil and humoring this woman another mintue benefits no one and harms the turtles and everyone else who would like to enjoy the beach safely

[greytdemocrat]

47. Oops! My mistake,

But that gal does sound like a bit of a nutcase. And she did break the law by disturbing that nest.

[pitohui]

60. why is accuracy and truth considered worthy of "alerting?"

bunny, you need to look into your heart & into your soul

if a woman is cruel to animals and cruel to her fellow human beings, if a woman claims a beach as "private" -- beaches were once public in florida -- then she is EVIL and to stand up for EVIL is something you need to ask yourself why you're doing that

[Hannah Bell]

62. so have people like this woman just claimed the once-public beaches for themselves?

[Vinnie From Indy]

72. Is that you Juanita?

I am offended by your sig line graphic. Please keep your inter-species sex romp pictures to yourself.

[snooper2]

75. ROFL

:rofl:

[alarimer]

45. If she disturbed a turtle nest, that is a violation of federal law.

I am not sure people go to jail for that but there are hefty fines.

All sea turtles are endangered species and are protected from harassment under the ESA.

[SwampG8r]

67. in florida its jail

and the loss of whatever possessions you have when caught or seen doing it
if you have a boat ,car ,tackle ,whatever, they take it on the spot
florida fish and game is no joke

[Mimosa]

56. A wizened animal hating shrew

Upthread I saw somebody had Ms. Schultz's address. If you got the psychic power, look up the picture of her house on Google and focus....the hoodoo at her. Bwa ha haaa!!!!

I tried the map thing for her address (matter of public record) and couldn't get a Google map photo. But she's got some vibes headed that way.

[Heywood J]

63. If she did indeed throw wallets into the Gulf,

she should have been charged for property damage a long time ago.

[Vinnie From Indy]

74. The woman has rentals available

I feel like calling and reserving one of the rentals under the name Tara Pin & family and see how long I can get her to talk about the rental until she figures out that I am just fuckin with her. I would offer that sometimes I like sleeping on the beach and that I will be bringing lots of small children that love to be buried in the sand before crawling to the water.