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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:49 AM Original message |
••• Praiseworthy job skills that can hurt your career - this is not a joke ••• |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks for the rec. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
2. I Had a Boss that Expected Me to Hang Around Overtime |
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cartach (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 02:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
113. I had a Boss - - - |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 04:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
117. I had a boss who would call meetings on Friday at 5:00PM |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. Un.fricking.believable |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yup. It's all about a feudal "It's my money and you can't have it!" mentality. |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. "The floggings will continue until morale improves" |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
95. ..or you could ignore this thread altogether and excel at what you do. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
108. Don't Take it Too Seriously |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
135. I'm beginning to believe that none of these 'experts' know the truth about anything |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
5. "team player" |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. That's the one they always used on Donna |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
89. BTDT |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
6. Okay. There were two recs on this, thanks, and then somebody unrecced so now there's just one. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. Sadly, this is now life at DU. I suggest that you just ignore it because as long as we have Unrec |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
66. That's awful, CTyankee. I hope you can find peace and comfort. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. Hey, bread, ya gotta rise above it, really... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. My understanding is that these people are just the way they are. You can't change that. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
67. It was probably unrecced by accident |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Thanks. I didn't mean to call you out...and in many ways I don't care. |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
81. Maybe somebody read your post, recommended it, pondered it, and then decided to unrecommend.So what? |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
92. I remember that! people unrec just to be assholes |
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cartach (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 03:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
114. How does it go? What evil lurks in the hearts of men? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 05:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
121. Why the hell are you whinning about your OP being UnRecced less than 20 minutes after posting? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
7. All signs you're working at the wrong place. n/t |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. According to the report, these absurd attitudes are common in many firms. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
8. Well, my employer won't have to worry about that. |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Lucian, you're our kind of employee. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
50. I work for Walmart. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
11. Where I work it takes provable three acts of God to get a raise or promotion |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. So, lunatica, does your department promote people from OTHER departments? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. That's not how it works |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. How lovely. |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
12. We're now up to 3 recs but it was 4. Thus, at this juncture there have been 2 mystery unrecs. |
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cartach (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 03:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
115. Relax ! |
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riverdale (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 04:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
118. shut up already |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
13. Being a brilliant and unstinting sycophant.. The only job skill you *really* need.. |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
14. Actually, I hate multi-tasking |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I concur, deutsey. It can be satisfying to be single-focussed. |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I agree. I just hate the assumption people make in the workplace |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Wow, deutsey. Yeah, like, how dare you work calmly and effectively? I agree. |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Actually, the latest research has shown that there's no such thing as "multi-tasking" |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. I'm sure that's true, Coventina. Basically, working for some employers is slavery. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
101. I disagree - |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
48. I can't multitask - my brain just doesn't work that way. nt. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
59. Multi-tasking -- pfff! |
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kurtzapril4 (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
86. Multi-tasking is BS |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 05:23 AM Response to Reply #86 |
119. Google "The Myth of Multitasking" |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
17. I think I figured it out. |
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Kievan Rus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Or right-wingers who believe the Horatio Alger nonsense.... |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #17 |
49. or people who think of this more as an op-ed piece and not front page news. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
18. I unrec'd. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. The article is flamebait |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. it is hilarious. I can't believe people are taking it seriously and |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
51. I can't believe people take *you* seriously. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I promise to Never |
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Omar4Dems (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Indeed |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. I see it more as a call out of *management*, not workers.. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I see it as satire that misses the mark --- |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Some of the posters here who unrecced are living in deep denial about corporate culture |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. wtf? |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. So because you didn't think it was THE GREATEST you told everybody not to view it? |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. are you saying that people Only read the Greatest page? |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Your enlightened business management hard at work: |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Your trustworthy corporate leaders hard at work ---- |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
25. Multi-tasking is a survival skill but it is NOT efficient or as effective as singular focus. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
29. that's hard to believe |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. treestar, there could well be innocent explanations for some of these points. |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
32. Ordinarily, I'd agree with you that this is bullshit, but I think you're being harsh. |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
54. Maybe, Berry Cool. But on your #3 --- |
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drmeow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
56. Glad to know I wasn't the only person |
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Born_A_Truman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
33. I have #1, 2 & 3 Fail on #4 |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
34. Don't forget 'compassion'. Showing compassion toward subordinates will get you the axe. |
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dccrossman (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Compassion will get you in trouble |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I got fired for allowing an employee to work from home while she was recovering ... |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
110. Yup. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
35. That's my experience to a "T" |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
37. your spin on this is pretty weak... |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
38. aka Quit working so hard, you're making me look bad. nt |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
69. Wow, that's sounds pretty on target, obxhead. |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. It is. I've been told that in all seriousness before. nt |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #38 |
102. I had a group of ladies |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 01:02 AM Response to Reply #102 |
111. Dunno about law where you are... |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #111 |
132. this was some - okay - a lot - of years ago. |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 05:27 AM Response to Reply #102 |
120. By federal labor law, you *ARE* to be paid for taking two 15-minute |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #120 |
133. i understand that. This was quite some time ago. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
40. Best (or worse) temp job I ever had... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
44. I'm willing to believe these don't look good on a resume, because they look like padding. |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
70. Well, if a manager thinks these skills are just padding, he can always ask the applicant |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
57. I veer away from listings that seek 'someone who can multi-task' |
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Kat45 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Unfortunately, these days it's in just about every job description. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
60. K&R |
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rainbow4321 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
61. Promoting work safety and patient privacy |
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Dawson Leery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
63. All signs of our corporatist system. |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
68. Brought to you by The Inhuman Resource Departments |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Yeah, truly, otohara. Ever read "Up The Organization" by Robert Townsend? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #106 |
134. I Should Have Known |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
73. In IT these days, if you only know 4 languages, you had better know 20. |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
74. Wow, talk about a misleading post. If you're going to misconstrue an argument, don't link to it. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
90. Yep. The article is actually about how people who |
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ElboRuum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
96. OP's reading comprehension... |
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Bennyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
75. Wow. |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
76. This is one of those daily advice things that shows up on my email front page |
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Curmudgeoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
77. What is interesting about this is that just a few years ago, |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. I think that's interesting , too! Cover your ass, maybe? nt |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
82. Gawd! That's TODAY'S thinking?!? I am old school, and all those traits have served me very well |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
84. Disgusting, isn't it? |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #84 |
124. I think you kind of hit it on the head, MissDeeds, in your post #84. And thanks for the K&R! |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
85. And never try to |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
87. A buddy of mine told me he won't hire smart people. |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
88. Dumb thread If taken seriously. Those traits will |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Yup ... cornerstone of why I have a "career" and not a "job" |
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Curmudgeoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. I think the point was that it will not GET you the job. After that, it all changes. nt |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Nope - being very aggressive, proactive, and a good thinker |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
97. so i won't get interviewed just because i am honest and overplay my capabilities. |
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jp11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
98. Kudos hotjobs/yahoo |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
99. don't show initiative. |
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Kind of Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
100. Figured dummies rule in my work experience. |
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wackywaggin (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
103. Sad ,but exactly the position I am in at work!! |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
104. Corporations want them young (cheap pay) and dumb (won't question authority) |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
105. This is not America |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
107. kick for comment later.... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
109. #2 gave me burn out @ my last job. How about expecting only 8 hrs work in 8 hours, boss? |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
112. Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately, Peter |
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bobburgster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 03:37 AM Response to Original message |
116. I think yoy forgot something. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
122. None of these things have been the case where I have worked. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
123. Not a particularly good rendition |
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SkyDaddy7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
125. The only one I personally found to be true... |
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gleaner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
126. I have one ... |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
127. A big thanks to those who have been kicking and recommending this thread. |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
128. The corporate motto: Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses --- |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
129. It's all in the presentation |
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breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Zipplewrath, interesting and informative comments. But did it ever occur to you that --- |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-24-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Presuming he gets paid |
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