****OFFICIAL GONZOGATE THREAD #2 - House Judiciary Cmte******

[quiet.american]

Thread 1:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x859944

C-SPAN 3:
http://c-span.org/watch/cspan3_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3
www.c-span.org

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. LYING TO CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTE IS A FELONY...under 18 USC 1001 UNDER OATH OR NOT.

OK...I feel better now...except isn't THAT how Ollie North didn't pay for his crimes? HE WASN'T UNDER OATH WHEN HE TESTIFIED?


It makes no difference whether the AG was under oath or not. Lying to a Congressional committee is a felony -- under 18 USC 1001 -- whether you're under oath or not. (If you're under oath & lie, you could also violate 18 USC 1621.)

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§ 1001. Statements or entries generally
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(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.
(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.
(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—
(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or
(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

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[in_cog_ni_to]

Nadler's up! OHFERCRYINGOUTLOUD...LUNDREN IS AN ASSHOLE! He wants Sanchez's words be taken down!

She apologizes IF she said "target." WHAT A FUCKING WHINER! The repukes are DESPERATE!!!

[annabanana]

2. Conyers better rope this mess in. . n/t

[Beelzebud]

Ok I'm done. This is a farce. I'm so disappointed in Conyers... PATHETIC

Conyers is inept at best, complicit at worst.

[annabanana]

3. Sanchez is clarifying her statement .. "an active investigation"

not a "target"

[quiet.american]

4. Please recommend this thread to the Greatest, so we can find it easily. n/t

[Botany]

5. doing any good gonzo?

[annabanana]

6. Cannon needs to be muzzled.. He's SO out of order

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. they are doing their best to circle wagons around Lewis in California.

wheere there's smoke and shit like this, there must be some HUGE conflagration in the hills of California.

[in_cog_ni_to]

They sure are! That means he's GUILTY as hell!

[annabanana]

7. Nadler asking about Goodling "When did she come"?

He doesn't remember

[trof]

8. repugs doing all they can to gum up the works

typical

[annabanana]

9. Gonzo "She had SOME role n the hiring"

[quiet.american]

10. It seems the Repug game plan is to disrupt the proceedings as much as possible. n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. fine. let them. a small victory, a minor impediment.

but they end up looking like they support a cover-up and obstruction of justice.

I agree, that is their game plan.

[annabanana]

11. WHY should she have a role?

[The Witch]

13. I'm here, K&5th R, he can't even remember when Monica started?

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[maddezmom]

15. what does he know?

:eyes:

[annabanana]

14. Nadler asking about Goodling using political litmus

Gonzo said.. If she did, she shouldn't have

[G_Leo_Criley]

58. counterfeiting...

oh good. Intellectual Property Theft. Thank God they're covering it.

The internet in the hands of terrorists!

(insert massive eye roll emoticon here)

glc

[annabanana]

16. Why did she plead 5th? What crimes was she afraid of implicating herself in?

[annabanana]

18. Gonzo of course has no idea. .

[annabanana]

19. Were you being an "effective" head of Dept?

[whistle]

20. Gonzales is no more willing to answer questions now at this hearing

...than he was last month. Impeach this bastard today for God's sake!:wtf:

[cboy4]

21. it continues

:puke:

[annabanana]

22. He sees his job as reassuring public that their kids are safe from terrorism. . ha

[WinkyDink]

23. The questioning is WAY too deferential in tone. And referring to POLLS? How WEAK.

[annabanana]

He says he's been "forthcoming". . . Someone get that boy a DICTIONARY!

[L. Coyote]

24. Public corruption cases mentioned. Gonzo replies with

"terrorism" "safe for our kids"

"we have been very forthcoming, Congressman.."

[Solly Mack]

25. AHHHHH-CHOOOOOOOOOOO

Excuse me. I'm allergic to bullshit

[annabanana]

26. lololol

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. 67% believe the firings were for political reasons and GONZO doesn't believe it.

:eyes:

[WinkyDink]

What would you say? OF COURSE he'd pooh-pooh "polls". So would I.

And there's no "truth or lie" about any answer, either, so it was a STUPID QUESTION.

[Blackhatjack]

28. He remembers nothing... except 'we have been extraordinarily cooperative ' (Darn Amnesia)

[annabanana]

29. Lets look at the record of the Dept in regard to NSL..

They were misused

[mile18blister]

30. Gonzo: "I will work as hard as I can."

Right. Just like Chimpy. :eyes:

Nadler is not buying anything.

[WinkyDink]

Because a statement of FUTURE behavior cannot be disproved!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. Nadler! Look at the record of the dept! NSLs!!!!

:rofl:

[Skink]

37. Nadler slam dunk.

[annabanana]

32. He is getting ready to BS about NSLs

[annabanana]

35. He's admitting another failure. . "mishandled" no doubt.

[bobthedrummer]

33. "That's not THE QUESTION."

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. What a joke this is. He KNOWS he's not going to be fired so he's not going to answer a damn thing.

His back is covered. This is BULLSHIT!

[AllegroRondo]

Bush will never fire him

if he did, it would mean a congress gets to grill and approve the replacement. And they've already said no approval to someone new until the firings questions are resolved. Heck, even Graham (R) said he wouldnt approve a new AG until the firings thing is resolved.

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[quiet.american]

66. Why do the words "the American people" sound like an obscenity in Gonzales' mouth. n/t

[annabanana]

38. Coble R-NC up now. . Talking about intellectual property rights

[WinkyDink]

What a Fascist. Trying to argue for Federal spying on the Internet.

[Donnachaidh]

46. that's the NEW buzzword for Corporate Control

All these pukes are playing to their base, totally disregarding the problem with the DOJ and politics.

[Blackhatjack]

39. R-Coble now directs attention to totally new area.... (Gonzo loves the break from real Questions)

[Donnachaidh]

Cobler Obstructing and diverting

Yeah -- let's give Gonzo a few moments to play cheerleader. He forgot his pom poms though.

[annabanana]

40. (a place holder.. a book mark)

[Solly Mack]

41. Why is that thug even being tolerated?

We don't owe that thug anything!

[debbierlus]

42. Just logged on - anything good?

Why are people upset with Conyers?

[Beelzebud]

47. He is holding the hearing without having Gonzo under oath, and letting Repubs derail the topic.

[Le Taz Hot]

53. There was a couple of minor

pissing contests were instigated by a couple of R Congresscritters. Some thought Conyers needed to reel it in sooner than he did.

(He did just fine, IMO.)

[rurallib]

Repugs created a diversion earlier that Conyers didn't cut off

[Beelzebud]

43. What in the hell does IP laws have to do with this fucking hearing?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

48. Any question concerning the dept is fair game. eom

[The Witch]

51. It's a general oversight hearing, not a hearing on the US Attorney scandal

So he's well within his rights, but still ... :shrug:

WAIT did he just say that IP has to do with terrorism!?!?

[bobthedrummer]

44. BS

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

45. Just like with the Senate Committee..Repugs asking about anything else but

Firing of US Attys!!!


:rofl:

[spanone]

52. I thought these hearings were about the FIRED JUSTICES??????

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

57. Nope. Same thing happened with the Senate Hearing. eom

[napi21]

49. Coble is now changing the subject. Cute trick if it works...idiot! n/t

[Blackhatjack]

50. So Repubs ask no questions about real issues being investigated...

... except for the occasional comment that this is a fishing expedition, it should be ended, etc.

[rodeodance]

54. thanks I was just about to do another thread but you beat me.

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Posted by 48percenter on Thu May-10-07 08:38 AM

Conyers is about to whoop Gonzo's ass.

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C-SPAN 3

[Beelzebud]

55. This is unbelievable... DVD PIRATE TERRORISTS

[whistle]

76. Intellectual property and counterfiting, this DOJ is all about protecting

...corporate rights and profits

[mod mom]

56. WTF? Is it the Republican motive to go off topic? I thought this was about FIRED ATTYS?

[rurallib]

74. Any diversion will do

I expect questions about his family soon.
Soldiers dying in Iraq to "protect" this horseshit?

[Blackhatjack]

59. Next Repub Q will likely be " are you concerned that Crayola is changing the colors of crayons?"

Would serve the same purpose!

[Blackhatjack]

Likely answer "Yes we are very concerned about the terrorist changing our Crayon colors. We're on it

[annabanana]

60. HA ! Cobel calls him "General"

[trof]

89. Wrong usage of term. See below from wiki:

The term has traditionally been used to refer to any person who holds a general power of attorney to represent a principal in all matters. In the common law tradition, anyone who represents the state, especially in criminal prosecutions, is such an attorney.

Some people think the word "general" used in that way entitles the official to the honorific "general", but this is strictly only appropriate for military generals.<1> The word "general" in "attorney general" is an adjective (unlike the military term). The plural of "attorney general" is either "attorneys general" (the older form) or "attorney generals" (common today).<2>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney_General

[Skidmore]

61. Everything is a freaking "war" with these paranoid Republic greedmeisters, isn't it?

[bobthedrummer]

62. We know how $ and weapons and dope cartels were consolidated within the BFEE

[flyarm]

63. opps did you say new board at #1?? i missed it!!

[A wise Man]

64. Counterfeiting, Counterfeiting

What the hell does counterfeiting have to do with firing of the attorneys?

[Solly Mack]

65. everything's a fucking "war" with these people

[Beelzebud]

68. A WAR ON DVD PIRATING TERRORISTS!!!!11

[Solly Mack]

72. LMAO

[A wise Man]

84. Excuse me what is lmao

[Solly Mack]

86. Hi! Laughing My Ass Off

:hi:

[A wise Man]

90. good one, me too

[A wise Man]

75. I was just thinking the same thing

We're at war with stupid rethugs not IRAQ.

[Solly Mack]

92. That really is the "war"

their war against the people

[A wise Man]

93. obviously we're winning

because the cowards are scared to death

[rodeodance]

67. Repugs diverting their questions to make the DOJ shine (other matters)

[spanone]

69. He ain't no 'General" .

[flyarm]

70. . nadler was just very upset about the answer he got..i missed something there..he was pointing out

either a lie..or a misrepresentation by gonzo..did anyone pick that up??

[annabanana]

71. My only mistakes were "procedural". . . Gonzo

[bobthedrummer]

73. Fast talking Alberto-you aren't fooling US.

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. Dem...Bobby Scott up now. n/t

[annabanana]

78. Bobby Scott with some other OT crap

[annabanana]

79. (and he's a D)?

[Beelzebud]

81. yep

[quiet.american]

80. Thread 3 up:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x860458

[bobthedrummer]

82. Human traffickers, yep BFEE does that

[annabanana]

83. OIC. . It's about watering down anti-discrimiation stuff... ok

[annabanana]

85. Did the WH ask you to assist in the removal of ANY Da?

[annabanana]

87. well. . .maybe

[debbierlus]

88. Rove & the President FINALLY mentioned

[ChairmanAgnostic]

91. it seems as though the senate's questions were more

professionally crafted.
AND

the proceedings were slightly more organized.

[underpants]

95. That's the difference between the House and the Senate

100 vs. 435
6 year term vs. 2
More reserved and deliberative while the House...hell there are all kinds of nuts in that bag. Seriously it is amazing to see exactly who has gotten elected by my fellow citizens.

This committe has a lot more members than the Senate one too.

[flyarm]

94. why is this prick not under oath??????????? i don't get it!! eom

[glengarry]

96. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE ASK GONZALEZ IF HE INVESTIGATED ELECTION FRAUD, NOT JUST VOTER FRAUD?

He just said that VOTER FRAUD is a major crime which must be investigated. WTF?

The Democrats refuse to touch this issue.
Why?