****OFFICIAL GONZOGATE THREAD #1 - House Judiciary Cmte******

[Eurobabe]

Conyers is about to whoop Gonzo's ass.

www.c-span.org

C-SPAN 3

[madokie]

1. got it on now

[malaise]

2. John Conyers up

all want DOJ to succeed.

[Blackhatjack]

3. Let the perjury begin!

[maddezmom]

4. listening now

K&R

[Eurobabe]

5. Conyers opening statement

Gonzo looking as sour as ever.

[maddezmom]

9. Who created the list and WHY?

[maddezmom]

12. For those who say move on.....

Conyers is giving it to old bertie

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. WOOHOO! This should be very GOOD! n/t

[malaise]

13. Conyers two questions

Who created the lists and why?

When will we get the entire truthful on this matter.

For those saying move on a couple things. Matters coming to us are serious.
Most important - teh department's reputation for integrity and independence called into question.
Until we get to the bottom of this and why those doubts will persist.

Over to Mr. Smith.

[Eurobabe]

7. JC: questioning Gonzo's delegating authority to subordinates

replacing USA for a new Republican Farm team, and/or retaining loyal Bushies. Is the admin. trying to cover something up? Who created list and why?

Another US attorney in MO, forced out, in WaPO.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. "Meet us at the pub for fish and chips"...on the no transcripts meetings with the WH criminals.

:rofl:

[Blackhatjack]

10. Just wait til Gonzo lectures the Committee that they should 'just move on".... LOL

That will set off a few fireworks.

[bdamomma]

11. oh, they got to get this guy

does he have that arrogant smirk on his face??? I think he knows that he is protected by bush, bush stands with him. He will stonewall this committee too.

[quiet.american]

14. Please recommend this thread to the Greatest Page so we can find it easily.

[Eurobabe]

15. Lamar Smith TX-R up now, Bush apologist, bullshit!

You did nothing wrong.

[L. Coyote]

41. TEXAS: Tenet Healthcare fraud CEO is big Bush donor. Three firings in TX

Three Ft Worth DoJ attorneys with antitrust expertise "dismissed"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=853813&mesg_id=854460

BUSH DONORS: Jeffrey C. Barbakow : Ousted CEO & Chair, Tenet Healthcare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=853813&mesg_id=854349

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Time for the repuke liar Lamar Smith...making excuses for the poor picked on GONZO and the WH.

[Eurobabe]

17. Smith making this whole thing look like a petty waste of time

[Eurobabe]

18. Guys, I have to leave for an hour, keep this going! See you on the flip side...

:hi: 48

[Eurobabe]

29. Code Pink gal ousted, Conyers is pissed

[rusty charly]

19. Smith just lied:

Most say Gonzales should quit over fired prosecutors. An even larger percentage believe White House aides should testify about the matter under oath, poll finds.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-ex-poll10apr10,0,1816941.story?coll=la-home-nation

[L. Coyote]

20. Lamar Smith Press Releases.

Smith Opposes Subpoenas
March 21, 2007

Washington, D.C. – Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Lamar Smith (R-TX) today made the following statement regarding Democrat subpoenas for White House officials in the investigation into the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys:

“The White House is cooperating with the Committee’s investigation. They have offered to be interviewed by Members of the Committee. These subpoenas have more to do with TV coverage than uncovering the facts.

“The Committee has now met three times on this matter and looked over thousands of pages of documents. There is no evidence the White House acted improperly.

"U.S. Attorneys are political appointees and can be removed by the President at any time for any reason. The President has a right to be served by those who support his policies."

Smith: U.S. Attorneys Serve at Pleasure of the President
March 6, 2007

Washington, D.C. – Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Lamar Smith (R-TX) today issued the following statement regarding today’s hearing on U.S. Attorneys:

"U.S. Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the President and all U.S. Attorneys know that," said Ranking Member Smith. "President Clinton asked all 93 U.S. Attorneys to resign when he took office and dismissed many others during his time in office."

"Every President has to right to hire U.S. Attorneys who support their policies," he continued. "The Department of Justice had understandable reasons for dismissing each of these attorneys, none of which had to do with political retribution."

Smith concluded, "The Department has explained this to the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee. The Democrats refuse to listen, because they are more interested in partisan politics than the truth."

[quiet.american]

21. I knew the Repub would say there's no evidence so far.

There's major evidence -- sneaking the clause into the bill so that interim USA's could be appointed without Senate approval, Sampson's emails, "we can gum this to death," Goodling taking the fifth, and the testimony of the USA's themselves.

I'm so sick of Republicans being on the side of thuggery on behalf of their party, instead of having the best interests of the country at heart.

[keithjx]

22. btw, house judiciary link

http://judiciary.house.gov/

KJ

[rodeodance]

23. "wrap up this investigation" now says a Repug!!

[rodeodance]

25. Attorneygate getting MSM traction.

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Attorneygate getting MSM traction.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2841212#2841212
2841212, Attorneygate getting MSM traction.
Posted by formercia on Thu May-10-07 08:41 AM

Source: CNN

U.S. attorneys probe shifts from Gonzales to Rove
POSTED: 7:48 a.m. EDT, May 10, 2007

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democrats are shifting their attention on the botched firings of eight federal prosecutors from Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' fitness to head the Justice Department to the White House role in the dismissals.

In the three weeks since Gonzales testified before a Senate committee, the department disclosed that it is investigating whether his former White House liaison, Monica Goodling, weighed the political affiliations of those she considered hiring as entry-level prosecutors. Consideration of such affiliations could be a violation of federal law.

More of the eight fired U.S. attorneys also have told congressional investigators they were warned that if they publicly protested their dismissals, Justice Department officials would publicly criticize their performance.

And there have been new allegations that U.S. attorneys were evaluated on their enthusiasm for pursuing voter fraud cases that might benefit Republican candidates.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/10/gonzales.testifies.ap/index.html


Before the fact.

[malaise]

30. Lungren bawling about the banner

wants individual removed. Conyers agrees. Lady with banner leaves - someone grabs her banner.

[Donnachaidh]

24. Has Gonzo been put under OATH?

I missed that -- did he swear in?

[rusty charly]

26. let me guess: code pink?

[Donnachaidh]

36. yup.

Conyers made the point that they've worked TOO LONG to have to deal with disruptions.

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. yep.

[Blackhatjack]

27. We may be at the point where Gonzo has no alternative but to lie....

When you know the extent of criminal wrongdoing about to spill over the leaky dam, he may have no choice but to stand with his finger in the dam and keep lying.

[WinkyDink]

45. Exactly. It's "Come and get me, copper" time.

[rodeodance]

28. "Illegal protest in the chamber" says Repug & Conyers agress so person in

the chamber is leaving

[rodeodance]

32. Conyers is upset-----asks please no signs, protest clothing.

[Skidmore]

39. Code Pink has made their point before. I'm in agreement with Conyers.

The testimony needs to proceed and there are lies to be told under oath. Let's get on with them.

[malaise]

Gonzo speaking now

he's proud of past accomplishments and looks forward to future ones. Making brief statements about fired attorneys. Feelings and recollections have not changed. Ah fuck it.

[Beelzebud]

31. Code Pink taking a big shit on Conyers' head...

Disrespectful idiots...

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Time for Gonzo to speak...gets longer than 5 minutes. POINT OF ORDER by asshole LUNDGREN

he wants a protester's banner removed from behind GONZO! :rofl::rofl: Conyers is going along with the request. Conyers is PISSED. The protester wants to make a statement and Conyers had her leave. No signs...no demonstrations...no exercise...during the hearing.:(

[underpants]

46. IS Gonzo reading is speech right now or is this link time delayed?

http://judiciary.house.gov/

[in_cog_ni_to]

51. this is LIVE. He's reading it now. n/t

[underpants]

70. So they are talking about Rove and Dominici right now

:shrug:

Lamarr Smith up now. Conyers just finished

[cyberpj]

34. Sorry. But I think Code Pink Ladies do us a disservice at times. nt

[Beelzebud]

42. I don't think that. I *know* they do us a disservice at these hearings.

[WilliamPitt]

35. Nice tinfoil hat

:grr:

[Blackhatjack]

37. I did not see Gonzo put under oath....

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Once sworn in by the committee, ALWAYS sworn in before the committee? Is that how it works? OR maybe

right BEFORE the testimony?

[mile18blister]

47. I didn't either.

What's going on????

Gonzo is BS'ing. Come on Conyers. Make him raise his hand.

[rodeodance]

40. Ha ha--Conyers has brought up the 9th outst AG--per Wash Post.

[Vodid]

Gonzo not yet under oath? nt

[Blackhatjack]

43. Anyone see Gonzo put under oath? Here are a couple of Qs for Gonzo LINK

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x859915

[underpants]

48. 48percenter--DIRECT link to committe website with live link

http://judiciary.house.gov/

[rodeodance]

49. Gonzo is saying he is th good guy now (his opening statement) RECOMEND

[rodeodance]

57. Who put these people on the LIST?---Conyers asks. Gonzo says Sampson ORganized and

gonzo says he expected sampon to consult with others but Conyers interupts him cause gonzo is giving a non answer.

[Blackhatjack]

50. Come on, Gonzo already told a bunch of lies in his statement... under oath?

[cboy4]

52. Oh boy

[Blackhatjack]

54. You might want to add 'flashing red -- row like *&$$"

[WinkyDink]

53. "I would never do that." But we've already heard him equivocate with semantics,

telling Waxman he said "I WILL prepare", not "I DID prepare."

THUS, "I would never do that" does NOT MEAN "I NEVER DID."

[northofdenali]

149. "I would never do that"..............

[quiet.american]

55. So Gonzales STILL will not give a direct answer to who ordered the firings.n/t

[quiet.american]

58. "Sampson did it!" Throwing Sampson under the bus. n/t

[malaise]

60. No he won't n/t

[libnnc]

56. If he isn't under oath, then what's the fucking point?

Waste of time.

[Blackhatjack]

59. It is still a crime to lie to Congress even if not under oath....

... but the penalties are different.

[Beelzebud]

64. Why not put him under oath? I don't understand...

[WinkyDink]

61. Gonzo is clinging tenaciously to "I read others' decisions, and decided based on those."

[malaise]

73. Gonzo doesn't recall

This is pathetic. He is such a fugging liar.

[Gold Metal Flake]

62. How would Conyers allow testimony from AGAG NOT under oath?

Conyers: not stupid. Could be AGAG is still under oath from the last visit.

[mile18blister]

65. Let Gonzo lie, then put him under oath?

Conyers is NOT going to let Gonzo filibuster!

[Gold Metal Flake]

75. No, I mean he would be under oath now.

One way or another. It was not seen, or his previous oath still applies. I just don't believe that the great John Conyers would overlook such a detail.

The man has been training for just such a moment as this all of his life.

[Beelzebud]

79. Conyers just said Gonzo wasn't under oath...

[quiet.american]

63. Hasn't spoken to Sampson about it because of the ongoing investigation.

Go, Conyers! Not taking this bullshite.

[Beelzebud]

66. I just have the urge... I would love to just punch Gonzo right out of his chair...

[Skidmore]

67. Hes not under oath.

Who made a deal with the devil?

[Skidmore]

76. He's been "unartful" in some of his previous statements...ah, come on.

The Artful Dodger has a name...Gonzo.

[Donnachaidh]

68. why is he NOT under oath?

What is this BULLSHIT?

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. HE'S NOT UNDER OATH!!! Conyers just acknowledged it! WHY THE FUCK NOT????

[Gold Metal Flake]

80. Well shut my mouth....

Grrr....

[Beelzebud]

71. WHY is this criminal FUCK not under oath??? What's the excuse?

No wonder these fucks get away with so much...

There is no fucking excuse to not have him under oath.

[trof]

72. Same song, 2nd (3rd? 4th? 5th?) verse. weaselweaselweaselweasel

squirm

[mile18blister]

74. "You are not under oath and you always tell the truth" nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. NOT UNDER OATH = SMELLS TO HIGH HEAVEN!! There's a REASON he's NOT under oath.

What is that reason? There's NO EXCUSE for Conyers NOT to put that LYING CRIMINAL UNDER OATH!

[A wise Man]

101. Maybe I'm wrong but...

This is still the same investigation, GONZO is still under oath from the first.

[WinkyDink]

78. Still want to know why he isn't under oath.

[Beelzebud]

81. Because the game is rigged. This is fucking pointless.

[WinkyDink]

82. It certainly looks like the proverbial dog-and-pony show.

[in_cog_ni_to]

85. BINGO! This is nothing but a fucking dog and pony show....for the masses.

Make them think we're REALLY doing something about the crimes these THUGS have committed.:grr:

[dogday]

94. Why didn't Conyers insist on the Oath

I thought Conyers would of insisted on the oath.... Time to call and let him know...

[G_Leo_Criley]

84. not under oath...

Don't know why not.

Maybe there's been a deal?

Really, really puzzling.

glc

[jasmeel]

127. Maybe he's still under oath from last time? Was he under oath

before?

[quiet.american]

83. "What the American people are focused on" is your removal, Gonzales. n/t

[malaise]

86. Nail him Sanchez

nail this fugging liar.

[Beelzebud]

89. Too bad he's not under oath.

[WinkyDink]

87. It's difficult enough listening to his frog-in-throat voice UNDER oath. NOW it's verging on

impossible.
ETA: MUTED. For my sanity.

[alfredo]

88. Mac users, here's CSPAN TV scripts for watching the hearings

http://homepage.mac.com/alfredo_tomato/FileSharing21.html Just download the CSPANTV 3

It will open Real Player.

[quiet.american]

90. Thanks -- I have a Mac at home -- I'll save this. n/t

[alfredo]

144. Good. If you want the scripts so you can launch your own

favorite Real Audio/TV stream. It's really simple.

the radio link WUKY, is the University of Ky radio station. WUKY is the oldest College run radio station, and third oldest non commercial FM station.

[quiet.american]

147. Thanks again! n/t

[alfredo]

148. The hearing has been pretty rough. Glad I have a CSPAN feed because

our local cable has dropped CSPAN3 as a free channel.

[Solly Mack]

91. Just tuning in and I'm already angry

[Blackhatjack]

92. Yang conflict of interest OK by Gonzo....

[Beelzebud]

93. Gonzo sees nothing wrong with a prsecutor to take 1 million dollars

to move from the justice department to go work for the people she was just investigating...

WHAT THE FUCK...

[Solly Mack]

97. He hopes for a similar deal one day

course, he wants to work for those he won't investigate

[Paulie]

106. Gonzo says he knows the people in the Firm... and that she left because of finances?

A million plus sure would help I bet if you're working as a USA and living on catfood...

[Blackhatjack]

95. Most incredible statement so far....

appearance of impropriety is more a problem for the law firm, not the DOJ

[rurallib]

I think Gonzo is having fun

It seems like it is a game for him.
Hope he finally gets burned bad. Go Conyers!

[rodeodance]

96. HO Yo-----that Dem Rocks (questions on the new 9th AG dismissal)!!

[annabanana]

98. HEY HEY VIVA SANCHEZ!

[rodeodance]

99. Ho HO-------Repug--ABJECTS to putting WPost article into Record HO HO

[flyarm]

110. it was a NYTimes article i believe..

just a fyi in case anyone goes looking for the article about Yang..

[annabanana]

111. he tried. . it was lame and pretty funny

[flyarm]

100. cut that bastards mike off ..now!!!!!!!!!! eom

[rusty charly]

102. the ONE dem story they have.

[L. Coyote]

103. "I think I may be aware of that..." YANG matter.

Room temp rising!!!

Public corruption investigations. Time to bring up a Dem. Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.)

[rodeodance]

104. Sensenbrenner bringing up Rep. Jefferson & $$ in the freezer

[rodeodance]

112. Sennsenbrenner wants action and Gonzo says he can NOT talk about it.

[rodeodance]

118. he says 'people' are wondering -- HA HA (it is Sensenbrenner who wants to

make a public statement about him---Jefferson)

[annabanana]

105. Gonzo contradicted himself.. "she went voluntary.. No she didn't"

[Paulie]

116. Involuntary because she was having finacial issues... then got a 1 million plus siging bonus

sure did help I bet!

[Blackhatjack]

107. OK now 'Senselessbrenner' diverts attention to William Jefferson, a Dem...

he is asking for confidential information regarding the prosecutino of Jefferson.

[rusty charly]

114. "what the dickens is going on?"

exactly my thoughts, james.

[rurallib]

115. Way to go Tex! You dumb fat fuck

All the other shit that goes on and he pushes the Jefferson matter.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

117. lol! Gonzo can't even answer on this!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[G_Leo_Criley]

122. "congressman...

I cannot talk about that..."

"They follow the evidence, and they take the appropriate action"

"Not gonna comment on that"
(but thanks for the big fat jefferson softball)

glc

[Blackhatjack]

124. Gonzales says Yang left 'because of money' .... LOL

Can't wait to hear her testify to that as the reason she left.

I guess if you are a USA and the firm representing your corruption investigation target offers you $1.5 mil to join them and stop prosecuting their client, it is ok to 'take the money and run.'
'

[Beelzebud]

108. Cut that dumb fuck's mic. Sensenbrenner is a fucking idiot.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

109. oh geeze! Repug asking after Jefferson! Unfrigging believable! eom

[Donnachaidh]

125. Remember the Phrase -- "Happened on MY Watch"

Pretty disengenous of Sensenbrenner to admit that while whining about oversight. Uh yeah Dude -- why wasn't it done on your watch? :eyes:

[dogday]

113. A planned attack on a Democrat by

the Kotex King......

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

120. Don't matter! He's making Gonzo look like a moron!!!

:rofl:

[rusty charly]

speaking of bribes:

please get back to Yang.

[rodeodance]

133. Repugs are once again UPSET over NYTimes article! (Lewis from Ca is a

target of an investigation)--

[annabanana]

119. need new thread!

[in_cog_ni_to]

121. LYING TO CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTE IS A FELONY...under 18 USC 1001 UNDER OATH OR NOT.

OK...I feel better now...except isn't THAT how Ollie North didn't pay for his crimes? HE WASN'T UNDER OATH WHEN HE TESTIFIED?


It makes no difference whether the AG was under oath or not. Lying to a Congressional committee is a felony -- under 18 USC 1001 -- whether you're under oath or not. (If you're under oath & lie, you could also violate 18 USC 1621.)

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(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
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(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

[Beelzebud]

123. LOL. This hearing is a total fucking joke. No oath, now sensenbrenner obfuscating.

Waste of time.

I expected a hell of a lot more out of John Conyers than this fucking dog and pony show.

[rurallib]

141. NO OATH!!!!??????

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[annabanana]

126. The repugs are dancing as fast as they can

[Skidmore]

128. People, Sensenbrenner just did a "Domenici," in my opinion.

Didn't he? Trying to find out what was going on in a grand jury...

[quiet.american]

129. Thread #2 up:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x860279

[Beelzebud]

130. Ok I'm done. This is a farce. I'm so disappointed in Conyers... PATHETIC

[wtmusic]

140. Why?

Cannot watch now -- what hasn't he done? :shrug:

[flyarm]

131. they definitely have a plan of damage control..and they will bully it through..

whatever means nessesary...turn the mikes off them and the lights off of them!!

this is like a football game to them...they are doing a blitz...or some such thing..

the football though is on fire...

fly

[Blackhatjack]

132. Holy Cow, 'besmirching the reputation of Rep. Lewis' .... LOL

I hope that each of these Repubs sees their video performances run against them when they run for reelection.

[rodeodance]

134. Cannon wants her words Stricken from the record--Conyers says NO

[A wise Man]

135. now they are

arguing among themselves. The rethugs are creating a diversion. Gonzo hasn't uttered a word for five mins.

[Blackhatjack]

136. Obfuscation, delay, lying,... that is the Repub members strategy here today

[rodeodance]

137. The Gentle Lady agrees to take out the word 'target"

[Blackhatjack]

138. that darn Amnesia is hitting Gonzo again asked about Goodlin....

[rurallib]

139. Gonzo finding new ways to say "I can't remember"

He did do something since last hearing.

[rodeodance]

143. Gonzo does not believe in the polls (67% think it was political)---te he

[flyarm]

142. in our history there have been many contentious times and hearings..we must let this play out..

there are going to be nasty contentions..

these mtf'ers are good at stopping anyone questioning them and stopping anyone from getting to the truth..but i am going to reserve judgement and hope our system like this.. prevails with truth..it has prevailed for over 200 years..

has this guy and the * admin made a joke of our system?? they have tried..they have tried hard...but we must not give up..we must never give up..for truth..for our democratic process..

for our republic..

fly

[flyarm]

145. nadler was just very upset about the answer he got..i missed something there..he was pointing out

either a lie..or a misrepresentation by gonzo..did anyone pick that up??

[flyarm]

146. ****OFFICIAL GONZOGATE THREAD #2 - House Judiciary Cmte******

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=860279&mesg_id=860279