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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 01:06 PM
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Alan Simpson invited Grover Norquist to speak at the fiscal commission.
Here are Simpson's words.

Norquist Accepts Obama Fiscal Commission Co-Chair Alan Simpson's Invitation to Testify

June 30 meeting of the Commission will feature input from the public

WASHINGTON, June 11 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Former U.S. Senator Alan Simpson, the co-chairman of President Obama's fiscal reform commission, has invited Americans for Tax Reform president Grover Norquist to appear before the commission during its public hearing on the afternoon of June 30. As reported in National Journal, Simpson said:

"We're notifying everybody in America, if you want to come in, don't come in to bitch. Come in and tell us what you would do to get where we are trying to get. We're going to sit here from 1 (p.m.), grab a sandwich, and go until midnight. I want to particularly ask Grover Norquist, what is it you want to do? Other than just raise money and get members, what have you got in mind to help America proceed, other than say anybody that talks about raising taxes will be cremated and crucified on a stake?"


Simpson in his usual joking tone is probably right about Norquist and his group. Why they are allowing Norquist anywhere near this commission is puzzling to me. He wants government so small it can be "drowned in a bathtub."

From Mother Jones 2004:

The Soul of the New Machine

Grover G. Norquist is in fine form as he warms up the crowd at his Wednesday morning meeting. The conference room at Americans for Tax Reform headquarters is packed on this cool October day, and Norquist, ATR's president, jokes about the "fun-filled, star-studded" agenda in store. Why wouldn't he be in good spirits? The invitation-only meetings Norquist hosts have become a hot ticket for Washington's conservative in crowd, the place for GOP players to brainstorm, swap intelligence, and see and be seen. The 100-plus people who come each week are the powers who run the federal government—congressmen, lobbyists, senior White House and Senate staffers, industry-group leaders, and right-wing policy wonks. "Everybody there has some sort of entrée," says conservative activist Peter Ferrara, a longtime attendee. "When the White House sits down and says, 'We want to get the word out on something,' the top of the list is Grover."

..."Norquist calls it the "Leave-Us-Alone Coalition," a grouping of gun owners, the Christian right, homeschoolers, libertarians, and business leaders that he has almost single-handedly managed to unite. The common vision: an America in which the rich will be taxed at the same rates as the poor, where capital is freed from government constraints, where government services are turned over to the free market, where the minimum wage is repealed, unions are made irrelevant, and law-abiding citizens can pack handguns in every state and town. "My ideal citizen is the self-employed, homeschooling, IRA-owning guy with a concealed-carry permit," says Norquist. "Because that person doesn't need the goddamn government for anything."


Be sure to read that last paragraph at least twice, and then join me in wondering why the heck he is allowed near the commission that holds the fate of Social Security in its hands.

William Greider at The Nation is one of the few journalists speaking out on this absurd commission.

Social Security reform?

In setting up his National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, Barack Obama is again playing coy in public, but his intentions are widely understood among Washington insiders. The president intends to offer Social Security as a sacrificial lamb to entice conservative deficit hawks into a grand bipartisan compromise in which Democrats agree to cut Social Security benefits for future retirees while Republicans accede to significant tax increases to reduce government red ink.

..."The president has stacked the deck to encourage this strategy. The eighteen-member commission is top-heavy with fiscal conservatives and hostile right-wingers who yearn to dismantle the retirement program. The Republican co-chair, former Senator Alan Simpson, is especially nasty; he likes to get laughs by ridiculing wheezy old folks. Democratic co-chair Erskine Bowles and staff director Bruce Reed secretly negotiated a partial privatization of Social Security with Newt Gingrich back when they served in the Clinton White House, but the deal blew up with Clinton's sex scandal. Monica Lewinsky saved the system.


Greider had more to say in a January article at The Nation.

Looting Social Security.

He speaks of the harm of having this done by a commission.

This "reform" is profoundly antidemocratic because it would strip ordinary citizens of the only leverage they have in Washington--the ability to lean on their elected representatives and exact retribution if they get sold out. Peterson has two advocates in the Senate--Kent Conrad of North Dakota and Judd Gregg of New Hampshire--who are self-righteous fiscal hawks. The TFT story describes the rising federal deficits as a threat to the republic, yet fails to explain why deficits on rising. The billions have been devoted to bailing out major banks and Peterson's old chums in Wall Street or to turning around the failed economy or fighting two wars at once.


Greider tell us more, including Orszag's reform plans.

A year ago, the Obama White House was playing footsie with Peterson and intended to give him a starring role in its "fiscal responsibility summit." The Nation disrupted those plans. I wrote a fierce attack on the billionaire's looting scheme and the true fiscal history of Social Security. The sting that really hurt was The Nation's cover--an unfortunate photograph of Mr. Peterson in which he resembled a Mafia don. The White House abruptly downplayed its summit and dropped Peterson as keynote speaker.

But the assault on Society Security, we knew, would come back sooner or later because many of Obama's lieutenants are devoted to Peterson's fiscal logic. Budget director Peter Orszag once co-authored a "reform" plan that would raise the payroll tax on young workers and cut benefits for older people near retirement. Isn't that clever? Pinhead economists evidently think that workers won't notice. Now the billionaire is cranking up another fight. We should finger him again, big-time, and all those who willingly collaborate in his plot.


So Norquist's views are going to be heard before the commission. It's like going back in time to give him such credibility. It's like the new-found credibility being given to Newt Gingrich as the WH is pushing his education agenda through.

Back to 1998:

In 1998, as the Bush camp was plotting its run for the White House, Karl Rove sought out Norquist's support. At Rove's request, Norquist traveled to Austin for a private meeting with the then Texas governor and presented the agenda he wanted George W. Bush to back: broad income-tax cuts, school choice, the privatization of Social Security, tort reform, and free trade. Bush won Norquist over, and with Norquist's endorsement, the Republican base soon got on board. "The president and Rove understood the coalition and deliberately placed themselves inside it," Norquist says now. "That's why they won and McCain lost."

Soul of the New Machine


Enough of the Norquist and Gingrich types. They had their day...look what their policies did to our economy.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 01:17 PM
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1. grover wants the government to drown in the bathtub so....
Edited on Sun Jun-20-10 01:19 PM by madrchsod
he and his friends can make money. lots of money. grover and his buddies screwed over some republicans here and the illinois republicans
told him to take a hike several years ago.

giving grover a forum gives mark levine next day`s right wing talking points.

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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 01:18 PM
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2. Norquist has said in public speeches that he wishes the Government
reduced to such a small size it could be flushed down the bathtub.

On SS and Medicare, he is the star "Starve the Beaster"
(During Reagan's adm., Reagan saw he would not get anywhere
reforming SS and Medicare. He then quipped--we can instead
starve the beast. The beast being SS and Medicare. Cut Taxes
and Cut Spending is starving the beast. Cut the amount put into
SS and Medicare Spending while cutting taxes. Cutting taxes
means people are not paying as much into the funds to support
SS and Medicare. Norquist, a devotee of Reagan, took the mantle
of Starve the Beast and has been pushing Cut Taes, Cut Spending
ever since.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 01:40 PM
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3. The names on the commission betray the intent...
The Commission is formally known as the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, and will conclude its work no later than December 1. Simpson serves as co-chairman along with Erskine Bowles, Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton. Bruce Reed, Chief Domestic Policy Adviser to President Clinton, serves as Executive Director.

The full list of Commissioners is as follows:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/norquist-accepts-obama-fiscal-commission-co-chair-alan-simpsons-invitation-to-testify-96161464.html

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.)

Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.)

Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.)

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.)

Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.)

David Cote, Chairman and CEO, Honeywell International

Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho)

Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.)

Ann Fudge, Former CEO, Young & Rubicam Brands

Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.)

Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas)

Alice Rivlin, Senior Fellow, Brookings Institute and former Director, Office of Management & Budget

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.)

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.)

Rep. John Spratt (D-S.C.)

Andrew Stern, former President, Service Employees International Union

Durbin's words upset me.

"But Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Senate Democratic leader, denounced suggestions of an administration VAT plan as the “musings of right-wing cable shows.”

He also admonished “bleeding heart liberals” to be open to program reductions to restore fiscal balance. An hour after the commission’s meeting, however, several liberal activists held a conference call with reporters to press for additional spending to create jobs, lower military spending, higher taxes for the wealthy and no cuts in Medicare or Social Security."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/business/economy/28fiscal.html



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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 02:23 PM
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8. I believe he meant "beating heart liberals"
Edited on Sun Jun-20-10 02:24 PM by glitch
as opposed to the zombie kind of his and his cronies. Semantics, I know, but words matter.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 05:41 PM
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12. We are so fucked. With the exception of 3 or 4 names on the...............
.........commission that I would call "liberal", most of the others are "conservative" and maybe 2 or 3 "moderates. Everyone with an IQ over 50 knows that if you raise the cap (how much????) you will "fix" SS. As far as Medicare both houses of Congress and the President should be honest (I know, I know) and say the tax on Medicare needs to be raised to pay for the insurance that everybody comes to love. This ain't rocket science and doesn't need yet another useless "commission" to tell them to cut the benefit and raise the retirement on SS and for Medicare to increase deductibles and cut certain coverages. These ass holes will see to it that both these excellent, popular programs are butchered and/or privatized.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 10:59 PM
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32. I hate to say it- but the more I look at this- the more I see the writing on the wall
Edited on Sun Jun-20-10 11:02 PM by depakid
When an eminent economist and public policy expert like Dean Baker who has a long and proven track record of getting it right voices his concerns, the matter becomes rather far removed from conspiracy theory.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 07:01 AM
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38. I don't know what you mean by "conspiracy theory", but If you read........
........anything at all on both subjects IT'S FUNDING, pretty straightforward and simple. What is not simple is having the balls to raise the "cap" on SS or to increase the Medicare tax. Of ALL the industrialized countries we have the smallest, shittiest and fewest social programs to care for our citizens. Basically we have SS for (mainly) people over 65, and Medicare again for people over 65. You may want to add Medicaid in there too, but Medicaid is pretty much a joke nowadays that is rather hard to get on and covers relatively little. There is very, very few social programs left in this country to fucking cut.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 08:00 AM
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40. If you're interested, you can find a lot of information about responsible policy here:
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:14 PM
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48. What conspiracy? I didn't say anything about some conspiracy or.........
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 01:17 PM by pattmarty
...........didn't see anything in the OP about some "plot". Are YOU saying there is some type of conspiracy about SS & Medicare?


EDIT TO ADD: By the way, you mention Dean Baker, he has a OP-Ed in Common Dreams today and it sure doesn't look like he's saying anything what you imply.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 09:37 AM
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41. right, the baby boomers pay for the greatest generation....
...then get the shaft. so glad we have democrats in office.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:16 AM
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37. Problem is the Beast they want to starve, Social Security and Medicare
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 01:18 AM by JDPriestly
is the elderly and the disabled in the United States. It's not some vague, theoretical big fat government. It's the most vulnerable, most helpless people in America.

And they will do it. And it will be very, very, very ugly. Good, honest people, lots of them, will die from poverty if Grover Norquist and Alan Simpson get their way. And Obama appointed these folks.

This is the issue, the only election issue, that counts this year.

So, are we going to let this Commission do that? If the Republicans take Congress, they will have the votes to confirm the cuts the Commission recommends. If the Democrats take Congress, they will have the votes to reject those cuts.

The whole November election is about whether we want to continue with Social Security and Medicare or not. That's where we are.

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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 07:20 AM
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39. Don't kid yourself, there are a lot of Dems that will go along with this........
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 07:27 AM by pattmarty
........Just remember what happened under Bush when he didn't have Republican control of both houses, the Dems GAVE him the majorities he needed.



EDIT TO ADD: Just look at the "roster" of Dems in both Houses and you will recognize the names that
will vote right along side with the Republicans to gut SS & Medicare. Mark my words.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 11:10 AM
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44. If we force Republicans to talk about Social Security cuts
preceding the November election, Democrats will know when we elect them in the Fall that voters strongly support Social Security. And I believe we do.

I remember one elderly voter in a suburb of a mostly Catholic city who told me in the days right before the 2008 election that she was undecided about whether to vote for Obama. She said she was trying to choose between voting for the babies or for her pension and Social Security. That's how voters really think. We have to keep the focus on pensions and Social Security. Voters do not trust Republicans on those issues -- and for good reason.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 11:22 AM
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45. I agree with your premise, but with the propaganda and stealth of.............
........the RW they will give the uninformed/unintelligent voters plenty of scary shit to think about. Look that Bush "almost" did it with SS. A lot of older folks believe in that privatization bullshit.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 01:59 PM
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4. We all know where this is going, but I'm surprised they're being so open about it.
They're not even bothering to minimally obfuscate their agenda.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 02:19 PM
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5. They don't feel they need masks anymore, apparently. nt
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 05:44 PM
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13. Yes, and that's what is starting to scare the shit out of me.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 09:40 AM
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42. what's scaring me is that obama still has support...
...and that no third party has arisen. scary, but not a surprise.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 02:20 PM
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6. Not such a surprise. What price are they paying for it?
How many peolpe in the general public are watching this closely, and and know just how telegraphed the comissin's agenda is? There are reporters and economists who have been calling 'bullshit' on the Washington Conventional Wisdom that SS needs "reform" for over 15 years now. But they rearely get wide circulation and the MSM alsways ignores them and simply repeats the 'needs reform' narrative every time it comes up.

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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 02:20 PM
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7. He's the head of the snake
Or at least at the table when the cabal meets. Trace back all of the policy, talking points and smear campaigns, and there he is. I recommend reading Blinded by the Right by David Brock for a good inside look at the internal structure of the source of what we're fighting.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 02:38 PM
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9. Jane Hamsher got crucified for teaming up with Grover.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 05:46 PM
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14. Clue me in on this news flash. Never heard this.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 08:16 PM
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17. Google Hamsher + Norquist + Rahm + investigation on this site
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:02 PM
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23. She certainly did. And rightfully so.
It was the equivalent of inviting Karl Rove to a Democratic campaign meeting.

These people are HOSTILE and DESTRUCTIVE to good governance. You DO NOT give them ANY kind of legitimacy by inviting them to meetings.

Period.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. So what's the response when Obama's appointee does roughly the same thing?
:shrug:
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 02:46 PM
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50. Crickets. n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #9
31. But it wasn't to get his input on social security and economics.
And therein lies the difference.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 02:40 PM
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10. What is Obama doing to us? This is what I voted for?
No hope.
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 02:48 PM
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11. What is Obama doing?
Edited on Sun Jun-20-10 02:49 PM by boomerbust
He is doing the same thing he did with BP. He's giving these people just enough time and rope for them to self destruct. That is all.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:55 PM
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27. yeah...
:sarcasm:
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joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 10:05 PM
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28. That's pretty funny.
I'm spitting fucking mad. Simpson, vile POS.
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 01:49 PM
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49. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 12:34 AM
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52. Yeah. They'll die in their sleep of old age and we'll get 1% of their money in estate taxes!
Checkmate! :eyes:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 06:48 PM
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15. K & R
.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 07:30 PM
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16. great ending
"They had their day...look what their policies did to our economy."
This can be applied to several topics: foreign policy, national security, energy, compromised defense capabilities, wasteful spending, intrusion into private lives, politicized Justice Department.......
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 10:24 PM
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30. You are right...and I add education to that.
We fought Bush on his policies in those areas. Now we are too accepting.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 08:20 PM
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18. And Simpson's on this commission why?
Oh yeah- the President's obsessed with "finding common ground" and legitimizing the "ideas" with the most loathsome or outright crazy members of the opposition.

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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 10:12 AM
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43. a wyoming republican, no less! how much worse could you get.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_K._Simpson

i would need more votes to get elected dog catcher in my manhattan neighborhood.

obama=republican..govt.=class warfare
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 08:24 PM
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19. GAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
That's all I can say about that right now.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 08:40 PM
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20. If justice prevailed, headlines would read, "Grover Norquist Falls in Bathtub. Drowns in Own Vomit."
Grover Norquist is the best bootlicker the richest .1% ever had.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 08:49 PM
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21. Hey, Al! Don't forget Jack Abramoff.
Casino Jack and Bathtub Grover were partners in crime.

Don't see how Grove avoided imprisonment without the help of Turd Blossom and Crew.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 08:59 PM
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22. Inviting a rabid anti-government nut to a government policy meeting
Yeah, that'll work.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:38 PM
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24. How exciting. I'm really expecting some fresh, new ideas from this commission.
:puke:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 09:51 PM
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25. "Come in and tell us what you would do"
cut military spending 50%
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joe black Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 10:09 PM
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29. Sure.
And while they're at it roll back the tax cuts of the rich fuckers and make them pay into FICA like the rest of us, or is that hard to understand, christ how fucking stupid are people.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 11:05 PM
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34. +1000. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 11:04 PM
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33. I demand equal time. Let Michael Moore attend and give input.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 11:11 PM
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35. There you go. Great idea. Will never happen.
:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 11:16 PM
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36. I know. People call him the "L" word. We can't any of them offering
up ideas.:hi:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 11:29 AM
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46. Milton Freedman was not available. nt
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 11:39 AM
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47. Sen Alan Simpson ADMITTED publicly that they took out $ 2 1/2 trillion
Edited on Mon Jun-21-10 11:45 AM by lib2DaBone
.. they took out $2 1/2 Trillion and put in IOU's. Now, they can't pay it back... and it's OUR FAULT?

They used the money for tax breaks for the wealthy and special incentives to corporate cronies to ship our jobs to China.

There HAS to be a special place in hell for people like Alan Simpson, Max Baucus.

And BTW.. wasn't it our good buddies Sen Tom Coburn and Sen Kent Conrad that just voted against unemployment benefits?

Mr. Obama created the Fiscal Commission from HELL! Thanks for nothing, Barack.



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51. Nothing good will come of this.
K&R for the coming shit storm.
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