To all of you who knew Obama had it in him!

[boston bean]

Congratulate yourself, right now! It is you who gave Obama the support he needed to make BP set up a 20 Billion Dollar fund for the Gulf Coast!

Afterall, if you had all just kept your mouths shut, as requested and demanded of by others, Obama wouldn't have felt the heat to do the right thing.

All of those who have been demanding that Obama make BP do the right thing, I'm glad you didn't sit on the sidelines saying there was NOTHING Obama could do! Obama has no power! Obama shouldn't get involved!

It is you and you alone who have helped to prove that Obama does have the power, that he should get involved and there are somethings he should and can do!

This is your victory! Revel in it! Know that holding a politicians feet to the fire does work!



Maybe now that it is clear that Obama does have the power of the presidency, he will organize a better relief and mitigation effort. And those who want mouths shut will realize the same. The oil will spew for months. The focus should not only be on stopping the well.

[YOY]

1. I fear that the 20 Bil is only going to be a "drop in the bucket" compared to what is needed.

n.t.

[rocktivity]

3. He did say that the $20B is only the beginning.

I'm sure there's a mechanism in place to adjust it as needed.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[boston bean]

5. I fear the same, but we gotta keep on it to be sure it's not just a drop in the bucket

We got him this far, we can get him to go even further.

We cannot Shut Up!

[emulatorloo]

11. FACT SHEET: "This account is neither a floor nor a ceiling on liability."

There are a couple threads linking the fact sheet.

ON EDIT Link:

FACT SHEET: Claims and Escrow
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/fact-sheet-claims-and-escrow

[sandnsea]

2. Oh good grief.

Mind boggling.

[boston bean]

4. What is so mind boggling?

Obama has proven he atleast has the power of the bully pulpit.

In his speech, he said he was going to make BP set aside the funds.

If you were in the camp of saying Obama coudn't make BP do anything, you were wrong!

And you weren't being very helpful either to the Gulf residents.

[Skidmore]

6. Oh, get over yourself.

We knew he was doing the right thing all along. Without the tantrumming.

[boston bean]

7. tantrumming?

Tell me, did Obama have the power to make BP do something or not.

You cannot sit back after saying he can't do a damn thing and then claim victory for your strategy when your premise was completely wrong!

No one with that strategy was demanding Obama do anything and at day 60 he finally grasped the horror of it all and how delicate his own popularity is.

You didn't have Obama's best interest or the people of the Gulfs interest at heart demanding people keep their mouths shut. In fact you were undermining it.

That's the bottom line.

[damntexdem]

8. $20 billion is a good start.

But much more will be needed, to pay for the loss of economic activity, of social community, and for cleanup. Then, there's what should be many billions of dollars in fines. Then there are the legal costs of prosecuting BP criminality. BP is not worth enough to cover it all, but ultimately all of BP's assets will be needed to cover as far as they will go.

[boston bean]

9. It's a good start. I'm happy for it!

I just think that people like me had a good hand in making it happen.

If we had all just thrown our hands up in the air and said, there is nothing Obama can do, the fund would never have been started.

That is why we need to keep the pressure on the White House.

[Beetwasher]

12. Uhh, No, You Were Irrelevant. 100% Completely Irrelevant

But please, continue, it's very funny!

[boston bean]

14. I'm glad to make you laugh!

All is not lost then.

Were you fighting for Obama to do something like this, or were you saying he didn't have the power, the legal power to do a damned thing.

If you are the latter, you might want to take a look aroundv at who is spouting that same sort of argument on the tube today.

[Beetwasher]

25. Put Up Or Shut Up-Where Has Anyone Said He Didn't Have The Power "To Do A Damned Thing"?

I challenge you to show me where anyone's said that. People have said he doesn't have the legal means to various SPECIFIC things that some people were calling for, like for instance, forcing OTHER oil companies to use their fleets to clean up the spill (just as an example), but not a single person has said he doesn't have the power to do ANYTHING. No one. Not a single person. Put up or shut up.

[Denzil_DC]

45. "I just think that people like me had a good hand in making it happen."

As somebody else said: Get over yourself.

What did you do to bring this turn of events about, exactly?

[SidDithers]

10. It's Bizzarro day at DU today...

Sid

[boston bean]

13. What does that mean?

Is it bizarre that people who knew Obama had the power to do something shouted it from the roof tops and people like you said he couldn't do a damn thing.

It is quite bizarre that someone who felt Obama had no power to do anything and to let BP handle it in hindsight sounded a lot like the Republicans today who are saying it isn't within Obama's power to make BP do this.

[SidDithers]

17. It's bizzarro world when Obama's biggest detractors...

and complainers, people like you, try to take credit when Obama does something positive, something that the rest of us were sure he would do all along.

Sid

[boston bean]

21. How could you be sure he would do the right thing, when you

constantly wrote he couldn't do or make BP do a damned thing?

[Name removed]

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[Beetwasher]

26. Put Up Or Shut Up-Show ONE POST Where Someone Said That

Obama couldn't make BP "do a damned thing".

One post, in context, where it was claimed Obama didn't have the power do anything at all.

Put up or shut up.

[SidDithers]

27. +1...nt

Sid

[boston bean]

32. try reading here for starters

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8391811#8391839

[Beetwasher]

34. Not ONE Post Says What YOU Say It Does. Not One.

So again, put up or shut up. Show me a post where anyone says Obama doesn't have the power to do a damn thing.

I'll wait.

[boston bean]

43. Oh yes they do, you must try reading comprehension.

I will not post direct posts because it is against the rules.

I have supplied you with links.

[Beetwasher]

54. Posting Direct Posts Is NOT Against The Rules, You're Not Posting Them Because You CAN'T

Put up or shut up.

[boston bean]

55. You don't get to tell me or anyone here to shut up.

But you doing so just goes to show the meaning of the post is spot on.

[Beetwasher]

58. Put Up Or Shut Up, Show Just ONE PERSON Who Said

Obama doesn't have the power to do a damn thing.

I'll wait.

[boston bean]

62. Don't you fucking tell me to shut up.

[Beetwasher]

63. Put Up Or Shut Up, Just One Post-Failure To Do So Is Proof

That you're making shit up.

[boston bean]

65. The only one here re writing history, is you, beetwasher.

I have given you ample examples of what I am talking about.

So why don't you shut up.

Put up or shut up that no one here said obama was powerless, that there was nothing he could do.

The evidence is ample that they did, if you just open your eyes.

[Beetwasher]

66. You've Given Not A SINGLE EXAMPLE

There is not a single post in anything you've provided where anyone said "Obama doesn't have the power to do a damn thing". Not one. If you've provided so much evidence, then provide one post. It's not much. Should be easy.

"..when you constantly wrote he couldn't do or make BP do a damned thing?"


Put up or shut up. Should be easy since they are "constantly" writing it. Put up just ONE example. You can't.

[boston bean]

67. You put the quotations around that, not I.

the meaning of the post is true as I have written it and meant it.

So shut up, ok.

Funny how no one else denies it is the case.

[Beetwasher]

68. It's Your Quote:

"..when you constantly wrote he couldn't do or make BP do a damned thing?" -Boston Bean

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8579858&mesg_id=8580358


Put up or shut up. Should be easy since they are "constantly" writing it. Put up just ONE example. You can't.

[boston bean]

72. Oh get real.

The meaning of the posts and argument and conversation were just what I wrote. Those were my words summarizing what they wrote. Not a direct quotation. If it were I would have put quotations around it. But I guess if you look real hard, you will find plenty that almost said those exact words.

[Beetwasher]

73. "..when you constantly wrote he couldn't do or make BP do a damned thing?" -Boston Bean

Direct quote:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8579858&mesg_id=8582374

Put up or shut up. Just one post that says that or admit you're making it up.

[boston bean]

74. mr. Dithers didn't have an issue when i leveled the same charge at him a couple of weeks ago.

Yet, today, he wants exact quotations. I'm not your fucking search engine, ok.

I have given plenty of examples.

You are a very disingenuous person if you truly believe that what I wrote was not the argument here on DU.

As a matter of fact, you to be the only two have a problem with it. Does the truth hurt?

[Beetwasher]

75. "..when you constantly wrote he couldn't do or make BP do a damned thing?"-Boston Bean

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8579858&mesg_id=8582374

You make the idiotic claim, you back it up. No one ever said what you claim they did. You've given not a single example of anyone saying that.

Put up or shut up or admit you're making it up.

[boston bean]

77. Is that all you can say is put up or shut up?

i aint making a fucking thing up.

But you are re writing history. for whatever reason. maybe you are ashamed that you didn't push obama harder. and you like to tell people to shut up.

Very impressive.

[Beetwasher]

78. "..when you constantly wrote he couldn't do or make BP do a damned thing?"-Boston Bean

Put up or shut up.

Still waiting for a single post that says that.

[SidDithers]

81. I chose not to rise to the bait a couple of weeks ago...

To tell you the truth, I didn't think it was worth getting into it with you. But now that you've again maligned me, I'm going to go to the fucking wall to get a retraction or an apology.

So, as the esteemed beetwasher has repeatedly asked, put up or scurry away with your tail between your legs.

Sid

[SidDithers]

80. I also deny it's the case...

But, since you posted that *I* specifically " constantly wrote he couldn't do or make BP do a damned thing?", I'd be happy if you posted where I, specifically, ever wrote that.

Or, I'll accept your apology for the untrue accusation.

Sid

[boston bean]

33. or read this thread in its entirety

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8374778

[Beetwasher]

36. Not A SINGLE Post Says What YOU Claim. Show Me ONE Post

That says Obama doesn't have the power to do a damn thing.

I'll wait.

[SidDithers]

38. Don't hold you breath...nt

Sid

[boston bean]

40. have you been reading du for the past sixty days

those are threads I remembered. If you don't get the crux of the discussion of the last 60 days, that is your problem, not mine.

Don't you try to take my wording, which is an a summary of discussion, which was not in quotes and twist it to try and make your strawman argument.

It is what it is and you should be ashamed of how many people didn't want obama to take control of this disaster in any way because it could hurt him politically.

[SidDithers]

46. Keep shifting those goalposts...

Don't use my words against me!! My words don't mean what I said!!

You've gone from directly accusing me of "constantly" writing "he couldn't do or make BP do a damned thing" to "crux of discussion of the last 60 days".

Freakin' hilarious. :rofl:

Sid

[Beetwasher]

53. So You Can't Back Up Your Bullshit, Got It! Now It's Clear To Everyone

n/t

[boston bean]

56. it's clear to no one who's been paying one iota of attention to the discussion on DU.

[Beetwasher]

59. It Should Be Easy To Show ONE POST Of Someone Saying Obama

Doesn't have the power to do a damn thing.

Put up or shut up.

[boston bean]

61. I have showed you not my fault you can't understand it.

Do you mean to tell me that you missed all the conversation back and forth about how obama couldn't take control of the clean up because he didn't have the power to do that?

Did you miss the posts where people outright said obama shouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole and leave it to BP and when challenged they said Obama did not have the power to do so?

If not, you truly have not been reading du.

[Beetwasher]

64. Show Just One Post Saying "Obama Doesn't Have The Power To Do A Damn Thing"

Put up or shut up. You can't show it because you're making it up.

[SidDithers]

28. Perhaps you could show me where I...

"constantly wrote he couldn't do or make BP do a damned thing".

Or, you could take your inaccurate accusation and gently return it whence it came.

Sid

[boston bean]

29. funny that you didn't have a problem when i pointed

it out to you in another thread of mine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8408933#8409510

[SidDithers]

30. Yeah, that's what I thought...

you've got nothing to back up your empty accusation(s).

Sid

[Bobbie Jo]

48. BP agreed to this VOLUNTARILY.

Obama coordinated the effort so as to avoid spending the next 20 years in litigation. People need help NOW.

You seem to have a very narrow sense of the word "DO."

[Bobbie Jo]

44. +1

"....something that the rest of us were sure he would do all along." :think:

That pretty much sums it up.

[redqueen]

15. lol

no kidding

[NNN0LHI]

16. What about those who didn't become hysterical and said he would take care of it?

Don't they deserve the pat on the back?

Don

[boston bean]

20. not sure, but look at it this way

How did your silence help?

Gibbs was saying Obama couldn't make BP do anything, so was your silence, or faith, and thoughts that he would handle grounded in reality?

Or can you atleast admit that banging the drum, shouting from the rooftops helped move this issue forward. Would your way have done that? Don't think so......

[NNN0LHI]

22. I actually believe the people with the level heads got the job done

The screamers had very little or no effect. They never do.

Don

[boston bean]

23. really?

Please tell me how your level head got something done, by agreeing he couldn't do a damned thing?

You might have believed he would do the right thing, but didn't you say he couldn't make BP do anything, that he didn't have the power or the equipment, or the know how to do it.

Please, that sort of thinking is not what brought about this change, and you know it!

[Joe Fields]

18. I don't believe that BP will even pony up the 20 bil.

They can agree to anything, given the outcry and modest pressure from this administration, but saying they will set up a 20 billion dollar fund, and actually paying out that money are decidedly two different things.

The skeptic in me says "I'll believe it when I see it happen."

And yes, I feel that 20 bil. is probably a mid-range estimate as to what the gulf coast will need over the course of time.

[Cleita]

19. Like FDR challenged the people. He said, "Make me!"

We have to make Obama do it. If we don't, he doesn't know what we want and probably won't do what needs to be done.

[branders seine]

31. he did good, but it is WAY too early to celebrate.

[boston bean]

35. It's a celebration for those who continue to take the brunt of speaking up

and holding the administration accountable.

We have made a difference here, imho.

[branders seine]

82. I hope so.

There certainly is enough DU blood on the tracks from those who have paid the price for speaking up. This place is poorer for their loss.

[Robb]

37. I attribute Obama's action to my own posting at DU.

In fact, every good thing that happens in the world? It's all because of whatever I posted on DU that day.

I only hope I can continue to resist the urge to use my powers for evil, not good.

[boston bean]

42. Well, you certainly do think a lot of yourself. I atleast include others, it isn't all about me you

know.

[AnArmyVeteran]

49. That's awfully pompous of you, especially when it was MY posts that are controlling Obama's actions!

:) I guess I can share that power with you as long as you use your powers for good and not evil. BTW, since you mentioned it, how much would it take to overcome your 'resistance'?

[NJmaverick]

39. You have created an logical fallacy. You are in error to assume that

the President wouldn't have done the same thing if you and others hand't posted scathing critics and criticisms of him on the internet. Not only is that assumption highly unlikely, it's not supported by the evidence.


You would be far more fair and logical if you simply acknowledged the President's impressive accomplishment

[boston bean]

41. Well atleast you aren't denying that there were people here who said Obama

didn't have the power to do this or that or the other thing.

[NJmaverick]

50. Does that mean your lack of denial of my points are also a tacit acceptance of them?

[boston bean]

70. Not exactly, but it is a better tact than trying to say no one said

Obama couldn't do anything about it.

[USArmyParatrooper]

60. What is "this or that or the other thing"

What specific things did anyone say he didn't have the power to do, and please provide links to these posts.

Did anyone say he didn't have the power to make BP pony up the money to pay for it? Am I just on crack because I remember time and time again Obama saying, "BP created this mess and BP is going to pay for it"

[boston bean]

69. There is ample evidence, of people saying Obama can't do it because

then BP then BP off the hook for the damages. Legally they stated Obama didn't have the power to do anything.

People nailed others to the wall for even suggesting that Obama should take charge.

That includes the $$.

[Beetwasher]

71. There's NO Evidence Which Is Why You Can't Provide A Single Post Of Anyone Saying

"Obama didn't have the power to do anything."

No one ever said that and you can't provide a single post of anyone saying that.

[USArmyParatrooper]

79. Links? Thanks.

[demmiblue]

47. Thank you lefties for pressuring Obama to do the right thing!

:yourock:

[USArmyParatrooper]

57. Yes because obviously Obama didn't do the right thing because he cares

That wouldn't fit neatly into your little narrative.

[Name removed]

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[EFerrari]

52. Thanks to everyone who contacted the WH.

:yourock:

[Blue-Jay]

76. .

[Fumesucker]

83. ROFL.. That's the funniest cartoon that's ever been drawn..

Duck Amuck..

I crack up every time I even think of that thing..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce8J92AEfCs