Rachel's heavy sigh about the speech, when KO asked for her opinion, said it all.

[highplainsdem]

It was a tremendous disappointment. I can hardly believe anyone in the WH thought THAT was a fitting use of a prime-time address from the Oval Office.

[branders seine]

1. it was nothing more than a "greatest unhits" compilation

of the soundbites that have filtered out now over the last 50 days or so.

[patrice]

2. Oh, well then, I guess I'm disappointed too.

[HughMoran]

3. I hadn't read any opinions similar to this tonight

lol

[elocs]

4. Obviously, she must be a hater. n/t

[ShamelessHussy]

6. and she's IGNORANT!

[elocs]

10. I'm sure she is multi-talented enough to be both. n/t

[emilyg]

12. She must be a tea bagger.

[DonCoquixote]

17. I can respect Rachel

though I might have a lot less respect for people who never liked Obama taking a chance to get a good kick in.

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[elleng]

5. I agree, tho I am very fond of Prez O.

[faceit]

7. This man is not a leader. He is not a fighter. He won't lead.

[DonCoquixote]

18. Fighter

We has had to do a lot more fighting than any other president in a long time, including St. Bill Clinton.

[Bluebear]

8. Rachel just said that Obama seems to think the answer is prayer.

http://www.americablog.com/2010/06/reaction-to-obamas-speech.html

[emulatorloo]

30. That would be really twisting his words.

[Arkana]

35. That's a gross overreaction to a small fraction of his speech, but carry on.

[boston bean]

9. he was trying to channel reagans beacon of hope inaugural.

That's what it sort of reminded me of anyhow.
.

[Raven]

11. I don't think they have the faintest idea what to do about this. I'm not

sure anybody does. This is a picture of a President made impotent by what nature has unleashed thanks to a greedy corporation. There is no good, quick answer to the oil catastrophie. All there is to talk about is cleaning up and compensating the victems and trying to move foreward. This is an impossible position to be in. It would be as if 9/11 went on, over and over again, day after day and couldn't be stopped. Miserable, just miserable. And, as we all know, lazy Americans don't want to change their ways, they just want a quick fix.

[EFerrari]

15. Are Americans lazy? They work more than any other first world nation.

Blaming Americans for our government being in bed with big oil is just too easy and it has nothing to do with the reality that we live in an oligarchy. We could all be out there with Schwinns and our government would STILL be exchanging long deep kisses with BP and the rest of them.

[Raven]

16. You are right but I still think we like quick fixes.

[readmoreoften]

22. That's because WE WORK SO MUCH we're too tied for long, complicated fixes.

[Kind of Blue]

19. Agreed and best answer I've seen so far. n/t

[glitch]

41. "as if 9/11 went on, over and over again, day after day and couldn't be stopped."

Shock and awe.

[jillan]

13. His speech this morning was 100x better. This was a good speech, just not Oval Office worthy...

it was just another speech. NBD.

[nannah]

14. where is the audacity of courage?????

[ellenfl]

20. when are we going to learn how to cheerlead like the repubs!

they would have been out declaring what a great speech it was if the speaker had been dubya. perception is everything. the repubs know how to frame the discussion. dems know how to shoot ourselves in our collective feet. it's one thing for us to do that here but the few non-right opinion broadcasters should show some solidarity. we're never going to bring anyone over to our side if we keep beating ourselves up. it does no good to have more integrity if we have no seat at the table.

imo, this is why we keep losing the debate.

ellen fl

[Laelth]

23. You make a valid point.

In addition, I'd like to see some liberal billionaires open up liberal TV networks to compete with Murdoch's Fox. That would help. We don't have much of a seat at the media table because the other side owns the table.

:dem:

-Laelth

[readmoreoften]

24. Oh, you'll find plenty of cheerleaders towing the partyline on DU for Goldman Sachs, the Wars, Gitmo

DOMA, UNION-BUSTING--anything Obama does is supported by some. The problem is he does the same crap Republicans do. The reason why "we" keep "losing the debate" is because "we" have no ideas, no political will, and "we" serve the same masters as the Republicans.

[KonaKane]

25. When we can do the circular firing squad like the Democrats?

Yeah, that's a so much better idea. That way we can stay out of power for long periods of time, and piss and moan to each other that we never get a break.

[laughingliberal]

37. Having the power just for the sake of having the power is less than inspiring.

I would prefer to see us use the power when we have it to promote better policies for average people and not so much for maintaining the hold the wealthy corporate interests have on us.

[depakid]

26. You mean like fans at a high school football game?

[patrice]

27. We need to learn how to play our hands quite a bit closer to our chests.

That doesn't require dishonesty, just a clear sense of what we have, what we want, and the many possible ways of getting where we want to go.

[Sugarcoated]

33. Exactly.

+1,000

[obxhead]

28. ah yes, that's the answer.

Be mindless drones marching in lockstep.

Hasn't that lead to where we are today?

[ellenfl]

38. i didn't say anything about mindless drones. just that we

should be supporting our lawmakers whenever possible. dumping on this speech is unnecessary . . . especially since most of the media will be doing a swell job without the 'liberal msm'. accentuating the positive and not the negative could go a long way to getting our policies enacted. independents see our circular firing squad and want nothing to do with us. i'm not saying to condone everything done. i AM saying pick your fights.

and give the poor guy enough time to undo the mess of the last 30 or so years. it's bad enough the other side hollers before it's hurt. do we have to do that too?

i gave bushco 4 years to convince me. i will give president obama no less.

ellen fl

[wisteria]

29. I thought the speech made the points it needed to make.

And, obviously I disagree with KO and Maddow and the majority of the MSNBC team who are obviously concerned about appearing to pro-Obama.

[highplainsdem]

31. I think KO and Rachel would've been thrilled if there'd been more in that speech to cheer.

I don't for one second believe that they're concerned about "appearing too pro-Obama."

[flamingdem]

32. It's tiresome. Fug them and their snotty smartass snark nt

[Lucian]

34. It was an awful speech.

Waste of time. Covered nothing new.

[IOKIYAL]

36. Said what? That Obama didn't meet the checklist the MEDIA

made for him. I love rachel and all, but the expectations were set by the MEDIA and Obama didn't go on tv to talk to the MEDIA.

[treestar]

39. Some people have been disappointed by everything Obama does, so at this point

why the hell should they be disappointed? After all these disappointments, why do they still expect not to be?

By now they should expect not to get what they want.

[lunatica]

40. Rachel also refused to condemn him

But don't let facts get in the way of your condemnation. The oil gush isn't fixable this very instant by anyone on this planet. Let's hope the solution is being worked on right now by the people Obama has brought together.