Artist Drawing During LSD Trip

[Hissyspit]

feed://www.aspectart.com/info/feed

CLICK THE LINK FOR THE COMPLETE SERIES OF DRAWINGS

"These nine drawings were done by an artist under the influence of LSD, as part of a test conducted by the US government during the 1950’s. The government was keen to learn of any potentially beneficial effects that these new synthetic drugs may have, and how such effects could be used. Their primary hope was to be able to use LSD as a truth serum, using the patient’s altered sense of reality to overcome any conscious guards."



"The artist was to be given a dose of LSD 25, and free access to an activity box full of crayons, paints and pencils. His subject throughout is the doctor administering the drugs. The first drawing is done 20 minutes after the patient has received the first dose (50μg). The attending doctor observes that the patient starts drawing with charcoal."

"The artist explains 'Condition normal , no effect from the drug yet.'"

REST AT LINK

If above link doesn't work for you, try this one, although it has Google Ads in it: http://www.aspectart.com/info/2009/03

[Syrinx]

1. Dock Ellis pitched a perfect game on acid

I hope this is the right video link. It's supposed to be cartoony version of that legend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. List of famous LSD users

Dr Kary Mullis
Nobel Prize Winner for Chemistry in 1993 and inventor of PCR, a method for detecting even the smallest amount of DNA in ancient materials. "Would I have invented PCR if I hadn't taken LSD? I seriously doubt it," he says.

Aldous Huxley
The author of Brave New World experimented with LSD and other psychedelic substances (his essay The Doors Of Perception details a mescaline experience). Was injected with LSD as he died.







FRANCIS CRICK,

the Nobel Prize-winning father of modern genetics, was under the influence of LSD when he first deduced thedouble-helix structure of DNA nearly 50 years ago.

The abrasive and unorthodox Crick and his brilliant American co-researcher James Watson famously celebrated their eureka moment in March 1953 by running from the now legendary Cavendish Laboratory in
Cambridge to the nearby Eagle pub, where they announced over pints of bitter that they had discovered the secret of life.

Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not
the Eagle's warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.

[Webster Green]

6. I love the Crick story.

It's not hard to imagine that being true.

"Unravel" indeed! Acid certainly has a way of cutting to the chase. :hippie:

[Ichingcarpenter]

8. Surprisingly National Geographic just did a doc on LSD

Which was more positive than I thought they would do.... Of course they never mentioned the Nobel prize winners that took it.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/4094/Overview

[Turborama]

82. That was a really good show

And a really interesting update on what they're discovering after so many years of not researching it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

109. Even National Geographic said it has positive benefits

if taken in the right setting and supervision and they are conservative

Ignorant People should at least watch it before opening their ignorant piehole.

[Ichingcarpenter]

136. James Burke also wrote his BBC 'Connections 'with the help of LSD

Now you know why that series was so good

You can watch the series on line now on Youtube.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(TV_series)

[MilesColtrane]

34. Archie Leach was a daytripper.

[bahrbearian]

30. That was cool

[era veteran]

36. True, not too many people remember that.

[Maru Kitteh]

2. Wow. That makes me happier than ever that I never did that shit.

No fucking thanks.

[Syrinx]

3. why is that?

Does the picture disturb you somehow?

[Name removed]

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[proteus_lives]

11. Yeah, yeah. "Yay drugs."

It must suck to not be able to enjoy things without narcotics.

[Webster Green]

12. LSD = narcotic?

Wow! :rofl:

[proteus_lives]

13. Excuse me, psychedelic.

My point still stands.

[Webster Green]

16. You haven't made any point.

Other than to show how closed-minded you are.

You achieved that with your posts quite a long time ago. :smoke:

[proteus_lives]

38. "Other than to show how closed-minded you are"

Ah, ok.

Teapot-kettle-black.

:rofl:

[Webster Green]

53. So, exploration is "closed-minded".

Being utterly brainwashed by government propaganda is not?

Okay then. :thumbsup:

[proteus_lives]

87. So you call it exploration?

I call it "I don't want to feel the way I feel, so I'll take drugs."

Keep pushing the propaganda line, it's funny from someone with such big blinders on.

[Dogtown]

91. Ever drink a beer, p_l?

You're very judgmental. I have to agree with post #16.

[proteus_lives]

101. Not really judgmental, just experienced.

Grew-up around it, not fond of it.

And yes, I've had a beer or two in my life.

[Ichingcarpenter]

114. 'just experienced'

LOL!!!!!!....... Oh, I see you are experienced...... No you are not.... but I am.

Tell me do you take medication?

[proteus_lives]

115. "Tell me do you take medication"

Nope.

Your experience?

[Ichingcarpenter]

122. Scored very high on Millers Analogy Test

Enough to get into MENSA easily but that's beside the point.

Sometimes drugs are needed to address passive aggressive bi-polar behavior
Certainly not LSD, but maybe one should talk to their doctor.

I just wish there was a Drug to prohibit Religious Jingoistic Nationalism addiction.,
well maybe there is.

[proteus_lives]

124. "easily but that's beside the point"

Then why did you drop it?

"Sometimes drugs are needed to address passive aggressive bi-polar behavior"

Agreed but for legitimate case, there are 10 who don't need meds.

Our dependence on pharmaceuticals is huge problem facing this nation.

[Ichingcarpenter]

133. passive aggressive bi-polar behavior

Passive aggressive personality disorder is a chronic condition in which a person seems to acquiesce to the desires and needs of others, but actually passively resists them and becomes increasingly hostile and angry.

Passive aggressive personality disorder is a chronic condition in which a person seems to acquiesce to the desires and needs of others, but actually passively resists them and becomes increasingly hostile and angry.

The DSM-IV describes the PAPD essential feature as a pervasive pattern of negativistic attitudes and passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in social and occupational settings. The pattern must not occur exclusively during periods of major depression nor can it be accounted for by dysthymia. It is commonly seen in the workplace,

[Mojorabbit]

137. delete

cause it isn't worth the trouble.

[Dogtown]

144. I believe you.

And how is that different than, "I don't want to feel the way I feel, so I'll take drugs."?

Where do you draw your line?

[walldude]

105. Actually, since you have not taken LSD you have no idea

what you are talking about. You have never felt the effects, you have no idea what it's like and you have no basis in comparison. People do not take psychedelics to "change the way they feel". I could explain why people take them, but you are so opposed you would either not believe me or not understand.

Let me let you in on a little secret that is well known among serious psychedelics users. You can achieve the same state of consciousness you get through psychedelics by years of practiced meditation. The problem with the drug is that getting those years all at once can really mess up someones head. It's not for everyone. But you're flat out denial of it's usefulness just shows ignorance. I guarantee that at some point in your life you have enjoyed some kind of music, or art, or film, or theater, that has been inspired in part or in all by psychedelics.

[proteus_lives]

113. So, laziness.

"You can achieve the same state of consciousness you get through psychedelics by years of practiced meditation."

So, why work for something when you just take drugs, what an awesome message.

[walldude]

117. LOL.. well not all of us have the time to sit in a monestary for years

an years. I guess it's better than the message "It's bad because I say it's bad and there's nothing you can do or say to change my mind, so poopy on you". :rofl:

You know, I'm sorry you went through something that made you so bitter. There is certainly nothing I can say that would make what you apparently went through ok. But you could lay off the attacking people, psychedelics are not the same as narcotics and they serve a valuable purpose for some people. And millions of people have enjoyed the fruits of that purpose. If you look at the artwork in the link you can see other artists who were inspired by psychedelics in the same way. You can see shades of Picasso, Dali, and other surrealists in his final drawings. Plus if you look at my post further you can see a comparison of a John Lennon drawing. Have a nice evening.

[proteus_lives]

119. "You can see shades of Picasso, Dali, and other surrealists in his final drawings."

Who didn't need psychedelics to be creative.

Attacking people? Disagreeing is attacking?

[walldude]

123. Um.. wow you really don't know do you?

I hate to tell you but most surrealists including those I listed were well know users of psychedelics. Picasso loved Absinthe mixed with Dilauded. Dali was a well known mushroom user and moved on to acid when it became available to him. How do you think I could see the influence and where it came from?

Good luck with your "disagreements". You have no basis in fact for your argument, the incredible ignorance you display with your statement about Picasso and Dali show that there is no point in discussing this with you. It reminds me of trying to convince a tea bagger that Obama is not a Muslim Kenyan Socialist.

[proteus_lives]

126. Yes, they were recreational drug users.

But they didn't need them to be artists, was every painting, sculpture and work of art created under the influence of psychedelics?

[walldude]

129. No never said they were. I said it was a useful tool that served a purpose

while you run up and down the thread showing your ignorance. Now you admit they were users but you say it had no influence on their art? Again showing ignorance, once you step through the door, if you continue down the hall it becomes part of your consciousness in everyday life. Recreational user, hard user, it doesn't matter. If you open the door and keep it open for awhile, eventually it will stay open on its own.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your fun with the "mind-expanded set" :rofl: :rofl:

[proteus_lives]

130. If you open the door and keep it open for awhile, eventually it will stay open on its own.

Sure but who said that drugs were the only key?

[walldude]

132. No one, as a matter of fact I explicitly stated another way to reach that level...

But it takes years of practice, and I did'nt have the time.... Let me quote you:

It must suck to not be able to enjoy things without narcotics.

I call it "I don't want to feel the way I feel, so I'll take drugs."

Keep pushing the propaganda line, it's funny from someone with such big blinders on.

The "expanded-mind" set seem to have trouble with that idea.

What's ingrained is the tendency to abuse and ignore the dark-side of "substances" because you enjoyed them

You are up and down this thread disparaging users and the use of LSD. I came in and showed you that the drug has a useful and positive side for people who don't have the years and years of time it takes to meditate to that state of consciousness. You felt the need to tell me how wrong I was. Now you've moved to "there are other keys". Yes there are, and I and many people who benefitted from it''s use didn't have the time to use the other keys. Sorry if that pisses you off. Frankly I'm not sure why you are in this thread. It was supposed to be a discussion about LSD and art, not a pissy little anti-drug rant.

[Kalyke]

121. Agghhh. WRONG!!

I never have taken LSD, but my dreams are so vivid that it would be complete stupidity for me to do that!

Hell, I need to quit smoking for a surgery and can't do it with nicotine transfers, but I don't think my body will handle Chantix. I can't even take medical steroids without my body throwing a shit fit.

Some people simply have trips on their own - they don't need a drug.

[proteus_lives]

125. "Some people simply have trips on their own - they don't need a drug"

The "expanded-mind" set seem to have trouble with that idea.

[walldude]

128. Yes I have trouble with the idea that you claim to know what LSD does

without ever having done it. But I'm sure you can tell me exactly what it is like to live on Mars as well. You seem to know everything.. :rofl:

[proteus_lives]

131. And I have no interest in it's effects.

I never claimed to.

[walldude]

127. Actually I am not wrong. First of all I'm happy for you that you have such

vivid dreams. And second I made it very clear that the drug is not for everyone. You have no idea what the effects of LSD are until you take it. It's not like dreaming. At all.
It's nearly impossible to explain, but it's like having all the lies you have been exposed to over all your years refuted all at once. It's like a veil is lifted from your mind and you see the truth. The problem is, like the people in the Matrix, some are just so ingrained that exposure to that much truth at once can mess up a persons head. Just like someone who uses too much and ends up living in that state of truth and going a little mad, like Sid Barrett or Brian Wilson.

Take my word for it, I've done my share, I know what I am talking about, if you did it, the next day you would tell me I was right, you had no idea.

[Kalyke]

120. You are being judgmental.

Which is funny since you're judging someone who hasn't taken drugs.

FWIW, I've only had alcohol and tobacco - addicted to tobacco - and pot a few times (never got the attraction to that, but think it shouldn't be banned. I still can't understand why anyone would smoke pot. It makes you, uhhhh.. well, it makes me sleep. I hate to sleep).

[LanternWaste]

59. I've never smoked cow-dung from the tail-pipe of a '74 Vega

I've never smoked cow-dung from the tail-pipe of a '74 Vega... but then again, I'm "closed-minded."

[Webster Green]

68. Was it an urge that you had to resist?

If so, well...good for you.

I had a '72 Vega. All the Vega engines blew up at 49,000 miles.

I worked on setting up the Vega engine assembly line in Tonawanda, New York, so I feel kind of guilty actually.

Wait, what were we talking about? :P

[LanternWaste]

75. That making a choice for ourselves...

"Wait, what were we talking about?"

That making a choice for ourselves based on our own preferences is not quite the same thing as being an Authoritarian...?

[Webster Green]

81. Oh, I'm all for choice.

I never called anyone here authoritarian, though it certainly could apply. (Authoritarianism is a form of social organization characterized by submission to authority.)

Calling people out because they appreciate the diversity of plants and fungi is more clueless than authoritarian, though it has that element as well, since the plants and fungi have been declared illegal by lying, self -serving authorities.

Question Authority!

[LTX]

93. Absolutely not true:

I got a cool 52,500 miles out of my 1973 GT Hatchback (before a border war broke out between the iron head and the aluminum block, the head gasket warped, the valve stem seals blew out in rapid succession, the usual and rather alluring wisps of blue smoke from the rusted out exhaust manifold turned into volcanic plumes, and for reasons known only to Chevy-team-electric, the windshield wipers went rabid and had to be sedated with a pair of vice grips and a ball peen hammer).

[Webster Green]

145. You are correct.

I had a 1972, same model. I remembered getting a new engine covered by the 50,000 mile warranty, but forgot the part about managing to set the odometer back, without them noticing it was damaged from the tweak. }(

[spiritual_gunfighter]

143. If you think LSD is a narcotic

You have no business engaging in this discussion.

[Ichingcarpenter]

55. Religion is a Narcotic

I mean for this view to be taken literally, not metaphorically. Now, obviously I do not mean that religion is a chemical. Religion is a placebo, but that emphatically does not mean that it's "imaginary" or "all in your head."

The placebo effect is a real, scientifically observable physical phenomenon with actual physiological effects. The placebo effect can, for example, measurably reduce physical pain, sometimes in cases where all other treatments are ineffective.


But religion is not just a placebo; it is in some sense the ultimate placebo, honed and refined over thousands of years to be vastly more potent and powerful than a mere sugar pill. Whereas the curative powers of a sugar pill can be undermined simply by revealing that it is a sugar pill, religions have built-in defenses against such anti-revelations, sometimes layer upon layer of defenses.

Whereas sugar pills derive their power from the (presumed) authority of a medical doctor, religions derive theirs, if not from God Himself, at least from His authority. This is one of the most important things that non-believers miss about religion: because placebos derive their power from belief, it doesn't matter whether the thing being believed in is real or not. As long as the belief is genuine, it works. So it doesn't matter if the power of religion actually derives from God or merely from the idea of God; for the purpose of inducing a placebo effect, they are the same thing.


Anyway Religion is not psychedelic but a narcotic that feeds the masses and does not open the mind and ego but allows the pusher to hold an edge on the user.

[LanternWaste]

76. I imagine quite often it is...

"Religion is a Narcotic"

I imagine quite often it is... as is the corollary-- narcotics can often be a religion. I imagine that more often than not, it depends on the individual.

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[Webster Green]

21. Heh!

I was transformed from a cocky little punk to God, overnight in 1966.

I remember the entire experience like it was yesterday.

My best high school friend, who I used to go joyriding in stolen cars with, and I, were in tears hugging each other for dear life as the walls started melting, and the molecular structure of the universe unfolded before us.

I like to do it every couple of years to clean out the old synapses. Mushrooms will do in a pinch. :shrug:

[Bonobo]

22. For me, it helped me to see the connection between all people and

to unmask the lie of our ego-prisons.

I realized that we already have everything. That the world is a playground, open to us already, but that we build our own prisons with our self-limiting senses.

If we were open to it all, like children, than we would not be killing each other for "things".

Did you ever visit the DMT "vault" with its electric liquid multi-colored faberge eggs and grinning elves?

[Webster Green]

24. Indeed, I did.

DMT was absolutely amazing. Much shorter in duration than acid, but very intense.

[Bonobo]

25. You can say that again!

Look in your message box soon. I want to PM you.

So few people to share notes with.

[Skidmore]

26. The only way you can get past your ego is through

something that makes you hallucinate? That's rather sad actually.

[Bonobo]

27. Did I say the only way? nt

[proteus_lives]

45. Isn't it?

[Warren DeMontague]

96. No.

Nevertheless, for a lot of people, those experiences were fundamentally, deeply transformative and growth facilitating, and personally I'm way too old to bother arguing about it, (much less to be lectured over it) or to pretend that isn't a part of who I am--- simply because the truth may disrupt some peoples' preconceived notions, or make them upset/angry.

[conscious evolution]

151. Actually,the ego

causes hallucinations.LSD breaks them down.

[redqueen]

41. I love this post.

Just the nitty gritty... no ego, no superficiality... no focus on transient / temporary things.

[proteus_lives]

44. Sad.

Most people don't need drugs to realize that.

[redqueen]

46. Most people never realize it at all.

Or they get a fleeting thought about it now and then... and then resume looking for the next gadget to buy, the next distraction to pay attention to, etc.

[TroglodyteScholar]

100. +1 n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

66. Stick with booze, kids.

It'll keep you stupid, and mean!

[proteus_lives]

88. I'm not much for drinking either.

[Warren DeMontague]

95. Strongest thing I've done for the past 10 yrs + is caffeine.

Nevertheless, after extensive experience with & around all sorts of stuff, I remain convinced that nicotine and alcohol are far and away two of the worst.

[proteus_lives]

102. They are bad.

So are other types.

[FedUpWithIt All]

79. Some of us have been able to investigate and embrace interconnectedness without chemical assistance

In fact the only assistance some of us have had is the experience of picking up the slack for and surviving those who were so enthralled with their chemical experiences that they ignored their responsibility to provide life sustaining care to their young offspring. Stuff like that can change a person.

Being the one who has to face reality, and all it's potential hurts, on the behalf of those who refuse to can really force you to look at the bigger picture.

Playground indeed.

[proteus_lives]

89. Bingo.

"In fact the only assistance some of us have had is the experience of picking up the slack for and surviving those who were so enthralled with their chemical experiences that they ignored their responsibility to provide life sustaining care to their young offspring. Stuff like that can change a person."

It looks different when you have to pick-up the pieces.

[Turborama]

84. Have you noticed that after only meeting someone for a short amount of time

you can tell that they've done acid? It's like you know intuitively when someone else has been "there". It's also really easy to tell when someone hasn't.

I've been to the DMT vault twice. It's a totally shamanistic experience. The weird thing is that when I did it the second time a few months later it was like a continuation of the 1st, as if the pause button had been taken off.

[Bonobo]

94. I think maybe it's a real place, that's why.

Physicists posit the existence of multiple dimensions.

Perhaps it really is a door.

I certainly felt "welcomed" there.

The sense of it being a real place was STRONG and palpable.

I would love to hear more about you experience if you would kindly PM me.

[proteus_lives]

43. "I was transformed from a cocky little punk to God, overnight in 1966"

Heh.

Drooling on a bathroom floor makes you god?

:rofl:

[Webster Green]

49. This is way over your head, dude.

Seriously, you wouldn't understand.

You've watched too much 'Dragnet'.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Blue! Blue!

You're Evil!

[Webster Green]

71. Why, thenk yew!

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[Skidmore]

72. I've seen drugs literally

nearly destroy one of my brothers. And he used about everything you could think of to expand his mind, including LSD. He was one of those who lived to be stoned, high, or whatever you choose to call it. I picked him up from places I don't care to describe. One cold night he had sold the coat from his back to be able to get drugs. He called and I went to find him only to see him huddled between two buildings in an alley in his tee-shirt during a snow storm. We stuck with him for well over a decade and then one day he disappeared. It was years before we heard from him again. He had finally been able to get himself together. He moved back into the community, married, has held steady employment since. Now owns his own home and a car. He works with teenagers who use drugs, including LSD.


Although I will allow for the legalization of marijuana, I do think there is a large group of substances that need to be controlled, including LSD. Not everyone has the same ego strength. There is nothing romantic about addiction, physical or psychological. There is nothing romantic about watching someone you love be out of control in every way that matters. There certain is nothing romantic about being the someone who self-destructs.

Perhaps you are limited too in what you can see.

[Webster Green]

74. Been there done that...

That is to say..totally strung out on heroin, lost everything, and eventually climbed back out.

However, I would argue that the extremely negative effects of using these substances is due more to the prohibition than the actual effects of the substances.

Junkies lose everything because of the powerful physical addiction to opiates. They will do whatever it takes to get make sure they have a "wake up" fix. Remove the black market, educate people to the real effects and actual dangers involved with drug use, and provide safe doses and clean needles, and the problem disappears.

I still have an affinity for opiates. I always will. They make me feel great, and I have no religious delusions that cause me to think that feeling good is wrong. I no longer seek heroin because I don't want to get involved with black market activities and the threat of incarceration. It's too much hassle.

I'm for legalization because the drug wars are a complete failure. There will always be plenty of folks who will take the risks associated in order to get high. The goal should be harm reduction.

Kudos to your brother for getting back on track! :thumbsup:

[redqueen]

78. Here's the thing though...

in groups of both animals and people, there are individuals who will abstain from any intoxicating substances... individuals who will engage in slightly less than moderate, moderate, or above moderate use of the same... and some who will abuse such substances.

Banning a substance because a few individuals have issues with addiction and compulsion doesn't seem to make sense IMO. It isn't just illicit drugs that cause people to destroy their lives. Overindulgence in gambling, alcohol, and many other substances and activities can result in the same type of situation.

[proteus_lives]

86. The old tv show or the awful 80s movie?

"Seriously, you wouldn't understand."

I've walked in on family members ODing. I understand much better then you.

[Warren DeMontague]

97. OD'ing on LSD?

Or something else?

[proteus_lives]

103. Something else.

[Warren DeMontague]

107. All substances are not created equal

and despite our culture's somewhat ingrained inability to handle complexity and nuance, none of it is black and white.

[Bonobo]

110. B, but they are *don-don-don.... "DRUUUUUUGZZZ"!

Unless of course prescribed by a doctor or recommended on Teevee.

[proteus_lives]

111. Nice try.

What's ingrained is the tendency to abuse and ignore the dark-side of "substances" because you enjoyed them.

[Warren DeMontague]

138. Okay, first off, making blanket statements about "drugs" is like making blanket statements about

"life on Earth", and then wondering why the tree you brought home as a pet won't fetch a ball. Alcohol is not pot is not meth is not psychedelics is not nicotine, etc. etc. etc.

I haven't "ignored" anything, but I *do* know what I'm talking about. Psychedelics, Pot, Alcohol, etc. are not for everyone. There are plenty of people who shouldn't drink at all, nevertheless does that mean that alcohol is intrinsically evil? Always bad? Should be roundly condemned? That anyone who ever had a positive experience after a glass of wine is just 'in denial'? NO. Just because some people can't drink alcohol (I'm one of them) and alcohol certainly can be deadly AND make people do incredibly stupid shit, I am not going to say that alcohol in all situations and circumstances is terrible, evil, "bad".

Lots of people enjoy it recreationally and do just fine with it, in fact it can be good for them.

There is the substance, there is the person using the substance, there is the relationship between the two, and then there are a host of other factors, including the situation, 'set, setting and dosage', etc. etc. That's just for starters.

Add to that, when it comes to certain mind-altering substances and/or other experiences (think peyote and sweat lodges), there is a cultural tradition, often shamanistic, whereby transformative or otherwise "I"-opening experiences can be facilitated by people who know what they're doing and how to lead through the rite of passage.

I have a few baseline principles when it comes to issues in this area of our society:

First off, I think pot should be legalized, regulated, taxed and available to consenting adults. No question.

Second, I think the entire drug war approach of criminalizing substances and users is a complete and abject failure. At the very least, treating hard drugs like a public health problem instead of a law enforcement one should be our starting point. The left-libertarian in me says, really, if someone isn't directly harming or endangering someone else (driving under the influence, neglecting their kids, etc) then what they do with their own damn body should be their own damn business.

That said, I have trouble envisioning meth being sold at the 7-11, for instance. Like I said all substances are not created equal, and a tree is not a dog is not a fish, nor do you get anywhere by treating them as all the same.

Lastly, on the subject of psychedelics; as I mentioned above, most people in the modern world don't have the cultural apparatus handy to guide them through those experiences, and they can be tough to navigate on their own. Some folks were lucky, that way.

It's worth noting that, after several decades of the scientific world playing hot potato with this subject matter, you are now seeing real, legitimate research into the therapeutic potential of psychedelic experiences.

I certainly don't think the experiences are for everyone, nor am I "ignoring" the "dark side". You, on the other hand, seem determined to argue that no one could ever get anything beneficial out of such an experience, ever :shrug: -not to mention the tired, terribly un-original insults and ad hominem attacks- when it's something you clearly don't have any personal understanding of, yourself.

Which is fine- I used to see this silly argument replayed all the time back in my youth, before I got tired of it; in fact it was a favorite in my dorm at college: "The Trippers vs. The People who WOULD NEVER DO IT--- yet are EXPERTS on how awful it is."

Honestly, there's no point.

Like the song says, you aint gonna learn what you don't want to know.

Peace.

[Bonobo]

139. Home run.

Center field bleachers.

[leeroysphitz]

48. LSD made me really good at Tetris.

Just saying.

[proteus_lives]

42. "Go back to your comic books, kid"

Hah. Narrow-minded and judgmental, explains a lot.

Fear of the unknown? Rather, a side-step of unnecessary indulgence.

But if you need it, go ahead.

[ET Awful]

20. Little hint: Nobody ever said they couldn't "enjoy things without" anything.

Most people that have used psychedelics enjoy things perfectly fine without them.

It must suck to not be able to comprehend the difference between "not being able to enjoy things without" and "being able to enjoy things with".

I'll let the "narcotic" thing slide since it was already pointed out.

If a casual drinker has a drink a few times a year at holiday parties of various sorts, do you accuse them of not being able to enjoy things without alcohol? Or do you accept the fact that once in a while they enjoy an alcoholic beverage?

[Name removed]

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[theHandpuppet]

33. +1

There are times, when reading throught threads such as this one, that words fail.

[Warren DeMontague]

62. "statements just seem vain at last."

Some rise.

Some fall.

Some climb.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. Oh yeah the whole "I'm high on life" excuse.

Read: "I'm afraid to try new things."

[Warren DeMontague]

61. I'm sure there are Priests who are equally convinced that sex is a terrible, awful thing.

Nevertheless, they're generally among the least qualified to know what they're talking about.

[NoSheep]

39. I can tell.

[Romulox]

51. So angry, judgmental, and fearful. It really does show! nt

[Fleshdancer]

67. harsh reply to someone who didn't insult anyone in their post

So the poster is glad s/he didn't do LSD, what's the big deal with that? There's nothing angry, judgmental or fearful about being glad you didn't experiment with a particular drug. I'm glad I've never done meth or heroin, does that make me angry too?

[Webster Green]

69. Mmmm....heroin.

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[FedUpWithIt All]

83. I watched my father's friend cut himself to ribbons as a child.

I was found chewing on a heroin needle when i was a toddler. My father, intoxicated crashed our car into a brick wall and i remember the visual of flying into the window off of my mothers lap. I have stepped between my mother and the person who's head was attempting to crush with a brick. I have seen people stuff kleenex into a 4 inch stab wound to stop the bleeding long enough for the stabbed party and the stabber to go into a supermarket to steal their first meal in days.

Have you ever been a four year old who watched those who were responsible for your well being shoot themselves up into a stupor? If not then perhaps it is YOU who do not "understand".

Pretty small of you to make light of something that has caused so many people lifetime harm while you rant on this very thread that you and others have found true understanding of human connection. If you do not see the pool of ridiculous irony you are happily swimming in then perhaps you have burned a few too many.

[Romulox]

70. The poster insults others copiously across these boards.

Context is everything. :hi:

"I'm glad I've never done meth or heroin, does that make me angry too?"

Since you've asked, I'd say you have the classic symptoms of the narcissist; nobody was talking to (or about!) you! :hi:

[Fleshdancer]

90. I did not know that

I apologize for jumping the gun then. You're right, context is everything.

[sendero]

99. That would be fine...

... if he didn't feel the need to put down people who do or have done.

Truly, there are drugs that have no redeeming value other than temporary pleasure or escape. LSD is not one of them. Everything this tool says screams "I don't know WTF I'm talking about".

Not that I give a rat's ass, it's just hard listening to someone spewing yap about something he CLEARLY knows JACK SHIT about.

[Maru Kitteh]

134. You need to retrace the thread. I didn't say a damn thing about anyone but myself.

So an apology is in order here, I believe.

[sendero]

141. I wasn't talking about you..

... sorry if it sounded that way.

[LanternWaste]

77. I imagine personal choices can quite often appear that way...

I imagine personal choices can quite often appear that way to those who themselves would take the other choice offered...

[redqueen]

80. I think it's the "shit" and the "fucking" that add something to that post.

It's not as if they just said 'no thanks, it's not for me', is it?

[Warren DeMontague]

7. A classic, but always appropriate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXmzcroUmdU

[Delphinus]

32. That was

funny!

Never heard of Bill Hicks - thanks for sharing.

[Webster Green]

52. Check out his show from London 1991 called "Revelations".

I saw it on HBO shortly after he did it. I had never heard of Bill Hicks, and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. He was awesome!

I have a DVD called "Bill Hicks Live", that has three of his shows, and a documentary about him.

You can get a used one here for 8 bucks:
http://www.amazon.com/Bill-Hicks-Live-Satirist-Stand-Up/dp/B0004Z33FK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1276620572&sr=8-2

[cemaphonic]

140. I've heard about him for years, but never checked him out.

Just watched about a dozen clips - some great stuff there.

And the mugging he does at the end of the one you posted is funny as hell.

[musette_sf]

9. A classic, but always appropriate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKTSa-NT5Oc

[Hissyspit]

15. LOL

[TheMadMonk]

10. Well that certainly explains Picaso. nt

[Hissyspit]

14. Not really. Picasso and Bracque and the similar artists

were in the process of rethinking the whole idea of what a picture or 2-dimensional representation was. This artist was culturally familiar with the styles that came to dominate modernist visual expression in the early 20th-century and so may have been recalling them during the LSD influence. At least, that is just as likely an explanation as the other way around. It was perfectly possible for the early-modernists to come to the stylist and theoretical results that they did without any drug influence. They were reacting against and/or building on what came before them.

Plus, LSD had not been discovered yet. Of course, it could have been the absinthe. :)

[GReedDiamond]

98. I don't think it would have taken the influence of a "mind-altering" drug...

...to come up with cubism (as Picasso and Braque are co-credited). It's a pretty straightforward idea: the melding together of various different views of the same subject(s), as observed/interpreted from various different angles on a two-dimensional substrate, using traditional drawing/painting/mixed media.

In retrospect, as far as art movements/concepts go, this seems like a pretty obvious way to go, for a fearless cutting-edgy-kinda-artist of around a hundred or so years ago. To bump it up a notch, the futurists and Marcel Duchamp added motion/movement through space/time to the cubist style, and Duchamp was also interested in portraying the "inframince," as, for example, the heat that a person's body transfers/leaves on the surface of a seat which the person has just left, or the fleeting fragrance of a wisp of smoke.

I agree about your suggestion that the artist/LSD subject was (involuntarily? unknowingly? or simply fucked up so much, unaware of?) tapping into his pre-existing art-historical knowledge, but I am suggesting that he may have been, through the use of the LSD, tuned-in to the "morphic resonance" that was "in the air," as established by all of the artists who preceded him, known or unknown.

Other than my opinions on the subject of "drugs and creativity" (or the lack thereof), my qualifying personal background on the subject of LSD/hallucinogenics in general, and art are: having done both, separately and together, and, having done artwork for a comic book with Dr. Timothy Leary called "NeuroComics" (Last Gasp, 1979).

[Hissyspit]

150. Cool. How much is an original issue worth nowadays?

I wouldn't have seen it at the time. I don't think I stepped into a really cool comic book store until the early 80s.

Fun subject.

[GReedDiamond]

157. Here are a couple of pictures of "NeuroComics"...

I did the cover painting (based on the art of Pete Von Sholly), and lettered it, plus did a lot of inking on the inside.

The script for the book was written by George DiCaprio (yeah, Leonardo's dad), based on Leary's writings.

Leary reviewed the visual content we came up with (based on sketches we had developed before executing the final art), and signed off on it, at which point we did all of the final art. We worked on it (on and off) for two years, and it was published by Last Gasp in 1979.

I think there were 10,000 copies in the original print run. I have seen it on ebay occasionally for around $10-25, depending on the seller and the condition.

[Warren DeMontague]

64. I thought it was kind of interesting how he went Picasso--->Dali--->Alex Grey

in styles, all in the space of a couple hours.


:shrug:

[Trajan]

18. Cool ....

I mean ... Interesting ....



It does much to reveal how perceptions change using psychoactive substances ...

[Prometheus Bound]

152. Your post is what's cool!

[LooseWilly]

19. Heh, how utterly...prosaic... a description of the effects of LSD.

I got so bored I nodded off for 20 minutes... assuming I remember what the clock said before my eyes closed on me.

Ironic, when LSD use tends to leave one awake, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, for at least 11 or 12 hours at a stretch... to have such a coma inducing description bandied about.

I've had more mentally stimulating experiences making used-mashed-potato sculptures in the dish rooms of college dorm dining halls, while testing out tabs of LSD prior to buying entire sheets, than anything presented in this silly article. The author(s) were clueless, and as a result didn't catch on to whatever was going on in the pacing (Don't know the pacing? Then you don't know LSD and what seems to be a side-effect of the use of amphetamine in the distillation process... The pacing, the laps around apartments and loft-spaces... the sudden intrigue of a footstool, or a stapler, or a Mardi Gras mask, or a Halloween costume pole-arm prop...)

The images that went with the article were mildly interesting at best, completely expected and unsurprising... boring really. I have a hard time imagining that they were the only sketches done... and if they were then no wonder the tripping sketcher got so bored with the sketches that he/she was able to make (trying to muster the hand-eye coordination to manage a sketch on LSD is every bit as shockingly not-easy as other relatively routine activities- such as writing a letter, tying your shoe laces, having sex, or driving halfway across the state).

I can personally attest to the difficulties of all of these activities on LSD... well, except for the writing a letter part. That was just too challenging, I gave up.

I can only hope my contributions, for any that read them, will allay the cloying sacchariney awful taste of the cringe-worthy descriptions of the article.

Maybe next time, someone who has partaken of the doses should be found to write the fucking article... I mean... WTF? This article is like me writing about baseball during a baseball strike... and trying to subtly suggest to all of my readers that baseball deserves to die... that the players are in the wrong, the owners are in the wrong, and that it is up to the fans to penalize them all by starving the sport itself until it's emaciated enough so it can, as a sport, be drowned in a metaphorical bathtub.... preferably one used to distill bootleg gin...

[Webster Green]

23. WTF are you talking about?

There is no amphetamine in pure LSD. You can inject pure LSD, and you wont feel a thing till the reaction takes place in the brain. (10 minutes minimum)

That is the preferred method for testing LSD purity. If you shoot it and get an instant rush, there's something else in there. Trust me on this. I did it many, many times.

On edit: I totally agree with your review of the article however. My only point is about the speed.

[LooseWilly]

104. The tabs you get on the street aren't pure.

I'm sure, had I been able to get pure liquid LSD I could've eyedropper'd the stuff into my eyes like visine... but buying by the sheet of tabs... one doesn't have that luxury.

The better stuff was less "speedy", the worser stuff was more so, and one sheet was so "not-speedy" that everyone who had any of the stuff theorized that it was somehow cut with heroin instead of speed. Maybe it was just pure.

Maybe cutting with "speed", specifically, was just an urban myth. Maybe it was actually cut with acetone. Or maybe it was some other chemical agent that was added to the mix in order to keep the LSD from "evaporating" off the paper tabs while the dealers shoved them in their shorts to transport them around town, county, state, country, and world.

The myth on the street that it was speed that acted as some sort of adhering agent, and that the speed broke down into some sort of acetone-like isomer as time passed, creating worse and worse muscle cramps, "coming down" soreness, teeth grinding, and so on, as the tabs got older and older.

Go to your local University District and ask around until you get some doses... then run a chemical analysis on the paper tabs... and maybe, assuming you don't get bunked and wind up with just paper (as I did a number of times)... maybe you can answer the question of "Just what the fuck secondary poisoning agent was I ingesting all that time?"

LSD has, unfortunately, been illegal since long before I was born...

[walldude]

118. Funny.. in my day we were always told that the speedy stuff

was cut with strychnine... once I figured out how to properly do mushrooms I gave up the artificial stuff altogether.

[Webster Green]

146. I'm not sure what's out there now.

I was doing it real heavy in the mid to late '60s and early '70s. Back then, there were plenty of tabs, capsules and sheets that were pure LSD. There were also lots of the same that were cut. I was getting stuff from Owsley sources, and from friends who lived in Millbrook with Tim Leary. There were no doubt a lot more folks into making pure LSD, back in those heady (pun intended) days.

I've taken some in the last few years, that was given to me by third-wave hippies. It was very mild, and semed more like imitation exctacy to me. I've also had some that was prettty decent.

[conscious evolution]

156. Todays hits

are definitely weaker.
By design,though.
One reason is so people don't get totally blasted and freak out.People used to higher doses can just take multiple hits while neophytes can go with less doses.

[conscious evolution]

155. Actually,what you describe sounds like

impurities caused by mistakes in the processing of the LSD.
There is a stage in the process,that if not followed very carefully,will cause some sort of impurity that mimicks the effects you are describing.
There is also a bootleg version of lsd that doesnot come even close to the process Dr Hoffmann used to synthesize it.Horrible stuff.

If you have a copy of or access to a copy of The Anarchists Cookbook you can find instructions for both recipes.

[mitchtv]

92. LSD comes from ergot

a wheat fungus not associated with amphetamines. you got burned man. Heavenly blue morning glory seeds supposedly contain LSD6

[LooseWilly]

106. Uhhm, not being a wheat-fungus farmer... I didn't grow the ergot myself, in my basement.

I got my ergot-age off of some pretty little squares of paper with interesting little designs on them. I think I remember one batch with an illuminati eye, one with blue unicorns, another with some sort of dolphin or some shit like that.

You know, from street dealers who carried around their tabs and sheets in their pockets, their socks, or their drawers. And I did get burned several times, actually. And then, in a fit of cosmic irony, I had a junky steal the sheets of LSD-free tabs of bunk paper.

The reference to the speed/amphetamine is just the commonest story- maybe just an urban myth, that explained why "coming down" was usually such an "uncomfortable ride"... muscle cramping, teeth grinding, good stuff all. The fresher pressed the tabs, the less noticeable the whatever-the-hell it was... maybe just good old acetone, or formaldehyde for all I know... but the urge to move around and/or pace made speed seem like a reasonable theory. Maybe it was just a learned response to mitigate the muscle cramping?...

[Webster Green]

147. Ergot (Claviceps purpurea) is much more common in rye than in wheat.

Though it will grow on wheat as well. I've found lots of it on wild rye grass in Humboldt County, CA. It looks like a little tiny dark purple banana shaped thing that replaces the grain of rye.

I never did anything with what I collected. It would be a precursor to LSD, but would need some processing to be the real deal.

I've tried the morning glory seeds, and found that experience to be very unpleasant. Not like good acid at all! I grew the seeds myself to make sure there were no fungicides or whatever.

[mitchtv]

148. I was always afraid of the flower seeds myself

having been spoiled. I did however do San Pedro cactus in Bolivia

[Webster Green]

149. How was it?

That's a new one on me.

There sure is a lot of psychoactive stuff out there for folks to play with.

[mitchtv]

154. foul tasting, but long, mellow trip

lighter than peyote

[no_hypocrisy]

28. Couldn't tell the difference when Clare Booth Luce was on LSD and off it.

[timtom]

29. I took a Latin midterm at Merritt College while peaking.

I got a 95. (Missed one macron over an "e".)

I used to run the projector at the Northside Theater while tripping.

No hitches there.

[era veteran]

37. Shot tank main gun in Graffenwohr Germany on Sandoz

at night. Most fun thing ever. Would not recommend to weak minded people though.

[Delphinus]

31. A few of those

were pretty good.

LSD and Mescaline could certainly be used as a portal into another "universe"; intention is key to using these drugs.

[deutsey]

35. I had a friend who was a good artist and took LSD frequently

I was with him once when he was on acid as he smeared a bunch of colors on a small canvas. He was amazed by all the faces he could see in the colorful blob of paint and said he was going to draw as many as he could see, but he was only able to get through part of the first "face" before he lost interest.

I always wished he had been able to focus long enough to bring out what he saw.

[NoSheep]

40. Thanks for posting. I'll add it to my archives.

[alfredo]

54. Those google ads cover two of the images on WebKit browsers.

[woo me with science]

56. Reminds me of the spiderwebs people used to post here

made by spiders on different drugs.

[Ichingcarpenter]

116. LSD effects brain functions that spiders don't have

thus the creative side is not explored by the spider... I did think they were interesting.


You should see the National Geographic Doc on it if you are a layman

[Greyhound]

57. Once this novice re-learned how operate and was peaking on a very large dose, he creates this...

My favorite of the lot.

[KonaKane]

58. Wrote an entire chamber piece while peaking.

And astonishingly, it sounded quite "normal".

[Barack_America]

63. K&R

[mrmpa]

65. LSD, and birth defects, what a lie

LSD use by women was touted in creating birth defects in babies, the percentage given was very high and there was quite an uprising about it. However, what was not told was that birth defects in children whose mothers had not used LSD was about the same percentage. "Lies, damn lies and statistics."

[deutsey]

73. "Acid Dreams:The Complete Social History of LSD (The CIA, The Sixties, and Beyond)"

http://www.levity.com/aciddreams/

This is an interesting history of LSD and the CIA's interest in it in the '50s (and possibly even the '60s and '70s) and how it became the phenomenom it did.

[grantcart]

85. This is the only one that I could possibly compete with

How depressing that even on another cloud with LSD he has more talent than I have sober.


Now I need some medication.

[anAustralianobserver]

108. What do you turn on when you turn on?

The '7th Circuit'. Those who know gno. Sometimes when your conscious mind resonates with organic molecular-level signals - bridging the DNA <--> CNS dissociation - you freak out, snap back hard and pretend to yourself it never happened. Sometimes you begin to integrate the experience.

[walldude]

112. Wow.. this is pretty cool..

Although the times seem a bit odd to me, it's possible because this was done years before I started taking acid.. I never had a trip that lasted only 5 hours...


So, obviously in the first drawing he wasn't getting off yet. In the second an third you can see he's going up and by the 4th photo he's peaking.

Now this 5th photo caught my eye:



Because the structure and lines reminded me of this:



:7 :7 :7


The 6th drawing is telling in that he's getting a bit confused, looks to me like he could have done without the second dose. It's odd that the time jumps 2 hours after this one till the next one, I wonder if he was not functional for awhile.. hehe.

The last two drawings are fucking brilliant exercises in surrealism. They show an artist who had talent to start with and was shown the door to a new level of artistry. I wonder if he kept up his use, he seemed disappointed with the "uninteresting" final drawing which was similar to the first one.

[The Midway Rebel]

135. Don't do acid.

Unless you have enough to share with me.

[Evasporque]

142. I draw and paint like the abstract in the middle...

sober...that is why I don't do drugs. Where would I end up? I'm already fucked up.

lol

[B Calm]

153. If the people knew LSD won't show up in drug tests. . . .