Only someone CORRUPT or STUPID could lose to conservatives next November

[AnArmyVeteran]

Only an idiot could lose to conservatives next November. Conservatives caused our economy to be destroyed. They gutted regulations to allow rampant corporate corruption. They started a war based entirely on lies. They took a surplus and turned it into debt. They killed 5,500 of our soldiers. They killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis. They spent a trillion dollars on a war that should never have started. They are pissing off the entire Hispanic community with their racist anti-immigration attacks. And now we have the worst environmental disaster in our country's history because of corrupt conservatives selling out our environment to corrupt corporations.

Only an imbecile or someone as corrupt as conservatives are could lose to a conservative. I hoped the people in the Obama administration would not be corporate whores like the last administration, but Obama surrounded himself with Wall Street mobsters. What kind of 'change' is that? We don't want leaders who are 'conservative-lite'. We need progressive, liberal leaders who can reverse all the damage caused by the previous eight years of conservative rule and their assaults against the American people and the environment.

Conservatives have virtually destroyed this country and yet democrats seem totally gutless to go on the attack. Are they holding back because they are stupid, or because they are corrupt?

President Obama needs to start LEADING and not waiting until the last minute to act, as has been his pattern. He even let the illiterate & ignorant tea baggers seize the message on health care reform without even rebutting their idiocy. How dumb do you have to be to let the dumbest among us outsmart you?

Wake up Obama! Wake up democrats in congress. Start speaking out! I'm tired of my leaders being spineless wimps seemingly terrified to tell people like the "Drill baby, drill" crowd they are idiots. Use that word! Stop tip toeing around the obvious. Call them "idiots" in public. Start being leaders. If you don't, this country is going to go back into the hands of the very people who brought our country to the brink of disaster.

Do what is right, not what is right wing...

[dorkulon]

1. Well, they're not stupid.

:evilgrin:

[notesdev]

2. Have no fear

the party will supply all the corrupt and stupid necessary to get walloped

[Cha]

3. "conservatives"? They're the ones who are corrupt and stupid.

[Mimosa]

4. It could happen

Political purists might help David Vitter beat Charlie Melancon for the Senate of Louisiana for intance.

[Ozymanithrax]

5. The electorate is not corrupt, but they may be stupid, and they have no short term memory...

I still epxect the GOP to win back a few seats in the house and at least one Senate Seat. They have history on their side. But the Teaparty has the power to stop that.

[AnArmyVeteran]

6. I wasn't saying the people were corrupt, it's the officeholders who are either corrupt or stupid

Any democratic officeholder who could not capitalize on all of the huge blunders by the conservatives in the past eight years has to be either stupid or corrupt by being owned by the same corporations which own the conservatives.

I know about the history of elections, but these are unprecedented times. Disaster after disaster caused by conservatives and it seems like the democrats are standing on the sidelines terrified to capitalize on it. I would be telling anyone who uttered the phrase drill baby drill is an idiot. And the media needs to repeat those words. Conservatives need to outed for who they are. The media will never do it. That is the job of the democratic party, but they seem to be totally asleep. I'd be glad to be their DNC chairman. I believe even I could make conservatives look like that black oil oozing out of the sea and portray them all as the monsters they are. Why isn't the democratic party acting???

[Scuba]

7. I support your...

...position on the conservative blunders, but am concerned that since they own the media they control the message. It will be hard for liberals to 'out' the conservatives if they get only 10% as much exposure. Remember, you've got Fox and similar RW media outlets screaming 'socialism', 'nazism' and host of other lies (Obama is a Kenyan, Muslim, etc.) 24 X 7.

I think we need a Truth Channel just to set the record straight on what these fact-free shills for the Overlords are spewing to the gullible public.

And no, most Americans don't see through the Bullshit. It's much easier to believe "we're good, they're evil" than to actually learn anything and make informed decisions.

[stillwaiting]

8. Way too many "centrists" in the Democratic Party have destroyed Democratic Party

principles. I am disgusted by the nature of legislation that the "Dems" have passed since gaining such an overwhelming majority (with very few exceptions).

Corporate interests are still kicking our ass.

I have no doubt that they are expecting us to roll over and accept that THIS is the best it can and will ever be. They are counting on learned helplessness, but I feel they just might be sorely mistaken.

P.S. I don't believe for a second that losing elections matters to most of our critters in Congress anymore. The overwhelming majority of them that toe the corporate line are vastly rewarded for life upon leaving D.C. to send a very, VERY powerful message to newly elected officials.

We've got to change the system. Otherwise, we'll continue down this path for the foreseeable future.

Oh, and there can only be one reason why the Democratic Party doesn't forcefully rebuke the conservative principles emitting from the Republican Party. It is not a coincidence that liberals are derided by elected Dems (and party insiders) while at the same time making odes to conservatives (and Reagan).

[Ozymanithrax]

13. But it is the electorate who put them there.

Those disasters must actually be placed at the feet of Republicans, and from my experience that is, at best, a spotty chance of happening.

Most peple are not enlightened observers who know exactly what is going on. They carry a system of belief very similar to religion when it comes to politics. Except in very stressful times, people vote with the particular political church where they are comfortable. They are prejudiced by their belief and sill accept explanations that justify their beliefs. People also are more likely to blame the group in power for a problem. Unless a good portion of the electorate feels warm and fuzzy about the economy, Republicans will win on that issue. Who cause it is irrelevant. I think the gulf oil spill will be laid at Obama's feet because he is the one in charge. Who caused it is irrelevant.

That is why states like Texas and Oklahoma are reliably conservative, cultural patterns of belief define their politics. In the decades when both states were Democratic states, they were still conservatives and voted that way.

[cali]

9. So if Russ Feingold loses in September

he's either stupid or corrupt? Um, no.

Your OP is flat out ridiculous and completely simplistic. There are a myriad of reasons beyond stupidity and corruption why a dem could lose.

[MrScorpio]

10. We should never underestimate our enemies

I found this quote on a business site:

Are you the kind of person who likes to underestimate your enemies? I find that to be very bad since it promotes arrogance and ignorance.

When we underestimate our enemies, we are trapped in our own illusion. We will fail to observe our enemies properly and ignore sound advice against them.
Overconfidence can be disastrous if you indulge on it. When you underestimate your enemy, you will pay the final price. Many companies were underestimated and they became a huge corporate power after a few years.

Many of these companies would never have succeeded if they were not underestimated. Many huge companies ignored many small companies and eventually the roles switched.

The best way to stop underestimating your enemy is to look beyond their appearance. Have a conversation with them. Spy on them. Look at the things they do and the ways they do them. Understand the way your enemies think and where they obtain their knowledge.

Underestimating is like letting a wolf in your farm. Never underestimate and definitely don’t be too overconfident for you will be arrogant and ignorant. When we view ourselves too highly and others too lightly, destruction occurs.

Look, I hate these right wing motherfuckers just as much as you do and I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw a deuce and a half. But the fact is that most voters either don't care or are not aware that those smiling, sanctimonious, back-stabbing assholes with "Rs" next to their names are lying through their white and pearlies. Your average schmoe simply does not have the time during his busy day to become wary enough of the good game that slick politicians play and so many good people are taken in by all the button pushing buzz phrases that are only designed to get votes and not address the real issues of the day that affect people's lives.

I wouldn't even label most conservatives as idiots or even stupid, they are much too committed to their politics and in this country, a lot of good people just happen to fall for their bullshit. Evil? You betcha. Callous and deceiving? You're darn tootin'. But, not necessarily stupid.

As a matter of fact, most people without a firm control of the facts about policy and politics are more than likely to condemn the whole lot of politicians and chose whomever to vote for, not on party affiliation alone, but on the basest of qualities like the race, gender, religious orientation and attractiveness of the person running for office. Shallow? Of course, it is. No one has to care ahead of time, there's plenty of opportunity to bitch about the problems of government after the fact.

Secondly, although folks here on DU have no qualms about calling conservative dip shits "conservative dip shits", it really doesn't address the fears, concerns and aspirations of most of the electorate who aren't too partisan either way. It's fun to preach to the choir, but we have to look beyond that.

You are quite correct, we need to run good clean Democratic candidates to beat those conservative Republican shit bags. But most importantly, we have to RESONATE with all voters, regardless of their own conservative or liberal leanings. We have to listen to them and address their needs. Talk plainly and straightly to them, not at them. Engage them in a way that confirms our commitment to improving their lives and livelihoods.

The shit bags are not going to go away, simply because we label them shit bags. They won't go away by ignoring them or underestimating them. The only way to bury those Republican fuckers is simply by standing with the majority of people, who are good, honest, hard working and upstanding folks and convincing them that it is in their best interests to stand with us in return.

Observe the GOP, don't ignore them. Isolate the GOP, by taking away their base of support. And attack the GOP with the best ammunition of all, which are good politics, principles and positive results.

That's how we'll win.

[mikeSchmuckabee]

11. I'm for it!

Take the fight to them! Stop pussy-footing around and go for the jugular. Republicans plan on destroying all intelligent life in this country and taking no prisoners. They should all be characterized as lying corrupt degenerates led by fools like sarah palin and glenn beck, which is the fact.

[ecstatic]

12. Were Al Gore and John Kerry corrupt and stupid?

The fault lies with the ignorant voters who prefer the Bachmanns and Palins and Jindals. Not the other way around. Your premise is very flawed. At which point did the teabaggers outsmart Obama? :eyes:

[AnArmyVeteran]

14. Well anyone who couldn't expose Bush in a debate IS inept...

Face it, in the 2000 debates Gore essentially agreed with most of what Bush said. And the Commission on Presidential Debates controlled who could participate in the debates. Since it was controlled by one republican and one democrat they excluded Ralph Nader who would have demolished Bush in the debates. But for some reason Gore was terrified to allow Nader into the debates. Since Gore did nothing to expose Bush for what he was, he was instrumental in getting Bush elected. Nader would have shredded Bush and the beneficiary would have been Gore. I believe the election wouldn't have been close enough to even steal if Nader had been in the debates. You can call it what you want, but to lose a debate to a dolt like Bush is STUPID, or at least inept.

Kerry was equally inept in debates with Bush. He failed on so many levels it was embarrassing. Kerry spoke on a level that was too cerebral for the electorate. He was smarter than Bush, but he was incapable of capitalizing on all of Bush's blunders. I believe a good high school debater could have done better than either Gore or Kerry.

Yes, the tea baggers did outsmart Obama because for months because they captured the national dialogue on health care reform while Obama remained silent. He let the right wing spew out one crazy thing after another without rebutting them. So the answer is "Yes" they did outsmart him, only because Obama refused to stand up and stop the nonsense with facts, clarity and purpose. And then when Obama finally did speak he wasn't fighting for the people. He caved early and never really supported a public option. He gave into the insurance industry. He even caved in to the republicans giving up concession after concession while every progressive knew the republicans had no intention of ever casting any votes for anything Obama wanted. Why give in to your enemy?

My premise isn't flawed. I guess I could have added 'inept' to 'corrupt' & 'stupid' to make it clearer. For some strange reason democratic leaders seem to like allowing themselves to be manipulated by the right wing. There are just a handful of democratic representatives and senators who have had the courage to be vocal, but the rest seem like they are too timid to stand up for the American people and condemn those who caused all of the disasters of the previous administration.