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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:37 PM
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"Ken Salazar, corporatism and the BP oil spill" (and exposing the Admin's lies)
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html

Greenwald covers a lot in the piece. There are fantastic links and two informative updates. For me and many DUers, Salazar's appointment was, to put it mildly, a disappointment. There were good reasons why environmentalists protested the appointment while oil and mining industries praised it.

What makes all of this particularly egregious in the BP case is how predictable it was. An Interior Department review itself found in 2008 that MMS was "a dysfunctional organization that has been riddled with conflicts of interest, unprofessional behavior and a free-for-all atmosphere for much of the Bush administration's watch," findings which "provoked immediate outrage in Congress." It was long known that the Interior Department, for at least the last decade, was nothing but a rubber stamp for the oil industry.

Yet who did Obama choose to head the Interior Department? Ken Salazar, notorious for being beholden to the very industries he would be regulating.


Early reports from the Center for Biodiversity included the fact that many oil leases are granted with an environmental review waiver. The excuse for granting these waivers, eagerly promoted on DU and further catapulted repeatedly by the Obama administration, was that the Minerals Management Service has their hands tied --- that the law demanded that lease requests be reviewed within 30 days. It turns out that this excuse is blatantly false as Greenwald demonstrates in this court ruling rendered during the Bush administration, here:

The court categorically rejected that excuse (emphasis added):

The agency may be correct that it is difficult for an agency to conduct a full EIS in only thirty days, but its argument that OCSLA precludes such a result is unconvincing. There is flexibility built into the regulatory scheme so that the agency can perform its full duties under NEPA. The thirty-day clock begins to run only when an exploration plan is deemed complete. 30 C.F.R. § 250.233(a). If the agency is able to identify gaps before that point, then it can request that information be added before the proposal is finalized. See 30 C.F.R. § 250.231(b). Additionally, at the end of the thirty-day review period, the agency may opt to require modifications to an EP if there are concerns that it does not comport with environmental standards. 30 C.F.R. § 250.233(b). These options give the agency additional time to consider a plan and compile an environmental impact statement, if necessary. To say simply that the agency only has thirty days to complete a full EIS is misleading.


Without a doubt, BP has taken control of the narrative in the mass media... including the internet. Millions are watching the disaster cam and, with each failed attempt to stem the destruction, suffering not with the wildlife, the human life, or the environment, but BP's agony of defeat.

As the days turn to weeks turn to months, attention will wane, BP's propaganda (buoyed by useful catapulters in government on both sides of the aisle) will prevail, it will pay some fines, its stock will rise.

In my 20s and 30s hundreds of thousands were well informed about the environment and the amoral rapaciousness of corporations. The actions of an informed citizenry resulted in steps to impose meaningful limits on the industries that gave little or no concern to befouling that which sustains all life. And I will tell you now, that, unless you make a commitment to actively join with the people and the critters in the Gulf and demand substantive change within our regulatory agencies, little will be done to change the course.


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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:42 PM
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1. Greenwald has an uncanny ability to pivot from one Obama critique to another...
Healthcare reform ... SCOTUS nominees ... the Administration and "the spill" ... His whiny template has grown :boring:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:43 PM
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2. Is that Greenwald's fault, or Obama's?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:47 PM
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3. Well, they are Greenwald's boring boilerplate polemics ...
I guess he's the one who deserves all the "credit".
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:51 PM
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4. funny how Greenwald's become *boilerplate* now that the Dems have control
he was a messiah when he was outing criminal activity in the Bush Admin. He's still outing criminal activity. But it's not the *other guys* so now he's to be marginalized.

:wow: hypocrisy rears it's ugly head.....
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:55 PM
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6. Thanks, you saved me a reply!
:toast:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:01 PM
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7. For the record, I never saw Greenwald as the messiah.
He does wield a sharp pen. I grant him that. I appreciate his passion and regularly read his columns. That being said, his know-it-all, "holier than thou" sanctimony is a bit too rich for my tastes, regardless of who he's lambasting.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:05 PM
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8. Delete
Edited on Thu Jun-03-10 10:06 PM by Luminous Animal
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Judicious Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:20 PM
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11. So you don't like Greenwald on a personal level, you mean
Or what is also known as an ad-hominem attack, as you have not said which of the points he made in his piece (i.e. Salazar hired a BP executive, the environmentalists fumed when Salazar was appointed head of his agency, etc.).

By the way, a "holier than thou" person is he who feels superior compared to the average person. For some reason I never got the impression that Greenwald thinks he is better than me.

I think some people attack Greenwald simply because he does not share their views.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:23 PM
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14. "I think some people attack Greenwald simply because he does not share their views."
I would agree with that.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 12:35 AM
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30. people attack Greenwald b/c he reveals uncomfortable, damning facts that are irrefutable
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 12:52 AM
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32. People Attack Greenwald
Because he's a messenger

and the message is the White House is sold out to the corporations

they don't give a rat's ass about the environment

BP has a proven track record of criminality

and the White House is allowing them to run the clean up. The White House is allowing them to use dispersants which is being used to hide the volume of oil and only makes the problem worse.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 12:34 AM
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29. Greenwald presents damning facts & that's what rankles his critics
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:24 PM
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15. Nope; he did sound research & uncovered troubling data concerning the 30day B.S. excuse Obama
uses to enable his MMS and Int Dept avoid the culpability they bear for this catastrophe
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:58 PM
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24. Yep you are right and MMS is still standing....
Oh wait....that's right it no longer exists.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:06 PM
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26. Really? Then what is this?
http://www.mms.gov/

and this?

http://www.mms.gov/ooc/press/2010/press0528.htm


It's still there pending reorganization.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 07:35 PM
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35. These are the three organizations
I would think that their is some fundamental structuring that has to occur in order to have 3 different organizations. It's not going to happen overnight but within a month in a half in government is very fast.

This organization has been broken from it's inception.

I would think that we can agree that this is the right thing to do.



Bureau of Ocean Energy Management:
A new bureau under the supervision of the Assistant Secretary for Land and Minerals Management will be responsible for the sustainable development of the Outer Continental Shelf’s conventional and renewable energy resources, including resource evaluation, planning, and other activities related to leasing.

Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement:
A bureau under the supervision of the Assistant Secretary for Land and Minerals Management that will be responsible for ensuring comprehensive oversight, safety, and environmental protection in all offshore energy activities.

Office of Natural Resources Revenue:
An office under the supervision of the Assistant Secretary for Policy, Management, and Budget that will be responsible for the royalty and revenue management function including the collection and distribution of revenue, auditing and compliance, and asset management.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:02 PM
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25. Facts don't matter. Truthiness says Greenwald is sanctimonious and that
trumps any opportunity for substantive discussion.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 09:53 PM
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5. As usual, ad hom and a low info one at that. Greenwald supported Sotomayor. And...
will you go on record to say that Salazar was a good choice to head a department that was rife with corruption?
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Judicious Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:10 PM
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9. Obama supported Sotomayor
And he opposed Kagan way before Obama picked her, and he stated her virtually empty record as the reason. Would it have made sense for Greenwald to praise Obama for nominating a judge Greenwald never liked?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:19 PM
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10. Yes, I know Greenwald supported Sotomayor.
Turley was the dense one that time.

Greenwald can support or oppose whomever but it would make sense for him not to make shit up as bases for which to support or oppose, as he has done with Kagan, and Lessig pointed out. Anyway, let's not re-argue that point.

My point is that, to me, Greenwald comes across as most interested in self-promotional contrarian bluster than anything else. Not my style.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:29 PM
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17. Then what's with the plural in post #1?
I quote you, "scotus nominees."
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:36 PM
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19. Typo?
Creative word usage? :shrug: How many points do I get off for that?

Oh, I forgot healthcare reform ... SCOTUS nominees <sic>... *the Administration's response to the FLOTILLA incident* ...the Administration and "the spill"

Greenwald was complaining about that the other day, on twitter and MSNBC. He's become a very dependable, serial Obama-critic. Can't say I blame him as he's developed a rather loyal following, as has Glenn Beck.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:45 PM
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21. I won't accept it. There is zero clarification allowed. You smeared Greenwald
with a falsehood. It is there, right in print and on the record and unlike Greenwald's dispute with Lessing, not open to interpretation. If you are going to hold Greenwald to as high a standard, then be a mensch, and apply the same rules to yourself.


Furthermore, "complaining" about which "that"? Please clarify with evidence.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:32 PM
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18. Also, a simple DU search reveals that you were against Kagan,...
prior to the nomination, as well.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:40 PM
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20. Touche.
I have expressed concerns about her ties to GS and otherwise. Certainly, she would not have been on my short list. Now that she's been selected, I won't necessarily defend her (for whatever that's worth). But I also won't attack her (a la Greenwald).

Anyway, thanks for the OP and the link to Greenwald's piece. :)
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:47 PM
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22. Yes
Obama has developed a rather loyal following, as has Glenn Beck.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:25 PM
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16. Sorry I am kinda slow. What is your point? nm
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:51 PM
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23. It's not Greenwald's fault Obama is so fucking predictable.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:22 PM
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12. K&R for this excellent article! what is particularly galling is the b.s. excuse proffered
by Obama concerning the environmental impact studies
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:07 PM
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27. Obama has blown this one.
I have lost all confidence.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 11:34 PM
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28. Thank you for suggesting that I turn this into an OP.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-10 10:22 PM
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13. K&R
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 12:43 AM
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31. All of this wil be coming out down the line- the disaster's far too great in magnitude
and long term impact for it not to.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 12:56 AM
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33. Amen Brother
Edited on Fri Jun-04-10 12:56 AM by Kalun D
This is going to be Obama's Albatross

Let's see your true colors president Obama

Do you really care about the environment?

If so why are you allowing BP to dump toxic dispersants on top of the already toxic oil?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-10 02:18 AM
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34. +10000....
K&R


please read
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