A quarter of teenage boys say they'd be "pleased" if they got a girl pregnant? WTF?

[marmar]

Teen Boys’ Fear of Impregnating Girls Drops, CDC Says (Update1)
By Ellen Gibson


June 2 (Bloomberg) -- Teenage boys are becoming less worried about getting a girl pregnant, with a quarter saying they would be pleased if it happened.

A higher percentage of boys ages 15 to 19 also agreed that it’s acceptable for unmarried girls to have babies, according to a report released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that compared teens’ attitudes toward sex in 2006 to 2008 to those in a survey six years earlier. The report also showed an increase in the number of teens using the unreliable “rhythm method,” which leads a quarter of users to get pregnant within a year.

The boys’ attitudes and the increased use of risky ways to avoid pregnancies contrast with the trend observed between 1988 and 2002, when the researchers saw a steady decline in so-called “sexual risk behaviors,” the report said. Overall, the number of teens having sex and their use of contraceptives was unchanged from the earlier survey, according to the data.

“Anytime you see a loss of momentum compared to the straightforward improvements of the past, you think that efforts to motivate teens to use contraception need to be redoubled,” said Joyce Abma, a social scientist at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics and the paper’s lead author. “On the other hand, there could be a point at which you’ve reached a lot of teens and the ones left are the hardest to reach.” ..........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=asP2WDr8RQqA

[Darth_Kitten]

1. It probably wouldn't be their responsibility, anyways.......

:sarcasm:

Society always has to pay.

[roguevalley]

46. boys are not being raised to be good men. this is also the result

of twenty years of no sex ed. they need to carry one of those wind up babies around. then they will change their minds.

[Mari333]

2. not so pleased when thrown in jail for not paying child support

someone needs to give the little studs a clue.

[mbperrin]

19. I teach high school seniors economics, and we have a one week unit

about child support, court orders, contempt, jail, driver's licenses which can be suspended for deadbeats, hunting licenses which cannot be obtained, possibility of losing your professional license, and a whole lot more.

We take comments, both verbal in class and anonymous in writing, about how it was being raised by one parent without the other parent chipping in even the smallest amount of money.

I like to believe that a few eyes are opened, even though our idiot school board only allows abstinence to be taught as birth control.

[Bigmack]

31. You are a treasure....

I know good teaching, and what you are doing is so valuable you are a national treasure.

[calimary]

105. Well, we've got one example who went to my kids' school.

Very well-to-do, very conservative old-fashioned Catholic parents. He's barely 22. Girlfriend is 19. He's gonna have to go to summer school to be able to graduate, and they're holding a shotgun wedding in two or three weeks - I guess before she starts to show. After all - what will people say? One of his classmates who lives near us and is friends with my kids told us after he got back here from his own graduation. That kid is stuck. Life is basically over before it began. He'll probably have a nice fresh divorce on his record before he's 25. OY. Not sure about the girl but I KNOW the boy's parents would absolutely NOT EVER consider abortion and evidently putting the baby up for adoption wasn't an option. So they're locked in for life. Mistakes have consequences. So you better believe I'm using that as one of those Obama "teachable moments" with my kid. I pound on him and his bandmates all the time about condoms and thinking with your bigger head (the one NOT in your pants) because there are consequences and you're not ready for parenthood and everything you wanted and hoped for and have worked so hard for up to this point will be RUINED with a capital R. And I am not at all opposed to abortion if it's needed to correct a stupid mistake. They know that, too.

[Xithras]

44. Almost never happens

Legally they haven't reached the age of majority, so the state cannot force them to work. The state CAN demand that income be tagged, and even assets seized, if a minor DOES have it, but that's rare. Most states instead have an alternative minimum support payment for minor fathers, which is usually only about $50-$100 a month.

More typically, the teenage boy gets a free ride until he finishes school, and even then most can get deferments until they finish college if they ask (and can prove acceptance to a good college, etc). They simply need their lawyer to argue that it's in the "best interest of the child" for the father to further his education and expand his income potential.

After that point, they usually get a nasty surprise when they graduate college, get a job, and are handed a bill for years and years of back child support, but that doesn't change the fact that they've skated for years without paying while the single mother was forced to raise the child without assistance from the father.

[Taverner]

3. Lizard brain. Pure lizard brain.

IN fact, if you were to tell a single guy that 10 of his conquests ended up in a kid that they don't know, but is being raised - they would probably be OK with it

This is the male homo sapien, pandering to their lizard brain rather than the brain that can form empathy

If you are empathetic, you would worry about the sex partner, the kid, etc

If you are all lizard brain, you wouldn't give a rat's ass and consider it success.

[Echo In Light]

17. The greater The Dumb, the greater The Machismo. They think it makes em A Real Man

[Taverner]

20. Total 'Alpha Male,' 'Lizard Brain' thing

It's a holdover from our wolf pack days

It is no coincidence that dogs/wolves have been the best at integration into human societies

[Echo In Light]

22. Auh, yes...the ol Lizard Brain ....

ha...hey, I like Icke

[Taverner]

29. LOL - but I speak of the Medulla Oblongata

[Johonny]

4. would it be "better" if they were not pleased?

Should men not be pleased with having children and find unmarried women having babies unacceptable? or is this one of the survey questions with no right answer?

[marmar]

5. Teenage boys aren't men.

[harkadog]

14. There is only one right answer here.

[Caliman73]

18. It would be MUCH better if they were concerned....

If they saw the prevention of pregnancy to be a priority and took on the responsibility of protecting themselves and their partner rather than to look on getting a girl pregnant as an accomplishment. How many teenage boys do you see that are excellent fathers who are dedicated to providing for their children?

[WinkyDink]

28. You think unmarried teens having childrren is somehow PLEASING?

[TwilightGardener]

72. Um, yeah. They shouldn't be impregnating girls. They shouldn't be fathers that soon.

They shouldn't be dropping out of school to work to support a baby, they shouldn't be leaving the girl to raise the baby on her own, they shouldn't be dumping the baby on grandparents to raise, etc.

[Regret My New Name]

100. also, girls shouldn't be allowing themselves to get pregnant...

goes both ways. I'm sure you'd agree though... :)

[ensho]

75. yes it would be better if they were not pleased

teens should not be pleased to be mothers or fathers.

[Posteritatis]

96. Either false dilemmas are awesome, or you eat puppies! (nt)

[cbdo2007]

6. Luckily birth control is the girl's responsibility....

[seabeyond]

13. girl's responsibility....TOO. right? cause i certainly teach my boys they are the PRIMARY one

responsible. i dont want my sons to trust a girls to birth control. i want the responsibility squarely on their shoulder.

[gorfle]

40. I dunno...

If you advocate that "it's my body and I want 100% control over my body" than part of exercising that control is controlling who's penis you allow inside it and whether or not that penis has a condom on it.

[seabeyond]

41. i am more of an "it takes two" kinda gal. i look at abortion a little differently.

it is ultimately the womans right to decide, but i also see it as taking two. and as i tell my boys, since the woman decides, and they may have an opinion either way on the abortion of their baby, they ought to take the appropriate action because it really isnt going to matter what they think once the deed is done. the woman is going to decide. do you really want to be powerless?

so i guess

it is exactly the opposite of what you suggest.

[gorfle]

61. "it takes two"

it is ultimately the womans right to decide, but i also see it as taking two. and as i tell my boys, since the woman decides, and they may have an opinion either way on the abortion of their baby, they ought to take the appropriate action because it really isnt going to matter what they think once the deed is done. the woman is going to decide. do you really want to be powerless?

I agree with you. I am simply pointing out the incongruity with people who scream for 100% control over their bodies but when it comes to which penises they allow into their bodies suddenly "it takes two". Where'd that 100% control over their body go?

[seabeyond]

64. and

when i hear whining about having to share custody, or not liking the guy, then they get a "shouldnt have fucked him" from me. i dont get to be victim nor all powerful whenever i want. our choices matter, both genders. you allow the penis, you then have to take him into consideration, whether you like him or not.

personally, in a moral argument, i think allowing saying ok to sex has now connected in the way the guy does count. i believe any outcome resulting in baby is 50/50. the good and bad of it. want to play the adult, gotta to live the adult.

reason i tell boys condom AND the pill.

[wickerwoman]

59. And part of "I don't want to support a kid I barely see"

is being careful where your genetic material ends up.

Birth control is both partners' responsibility.

[gorfle]

60. I agree with you.

I agree with you. I was just pointing out the incongruity of the crowd who screams adamantly for 100% control over their bodies yet somehow lacks that control when it comes to which penises they allow inside their bodies.

[wickerwoman]

79. Sorry, but I just don't see that as relevant.

Even people who are quite careful can end up accidentally pregnant. And in those situations, sorry, it's the woman who has to have the final say in whether or not the pregnancy is terminated. That's biology for you. I promise if you're ever pregnant I'll let decide if you want to risk your life or be in excruciating pain carrying it to term.

I don't see the relevance between defending that principle and defending the sexual behaviour of some women (frankly I don't think it's anyone's business to judge who sleeps with whom.)

Nobody is "screaming" for 100% control over their bodies (and if they were, I think the spare hair, gravity and cellulite lobbies would be the first stop for most women). They are pointing out that in a specific circumstance, women need to have the final say. Unless you disagree with that, I don't really get where you're coming from.

[gorfle]

82. On relevance.

I just think it's funny that people who scream for 100% control over their bodies when it comes to abortion (and I have conversed with many of people who feel that way) don't want 100% responsibility for what goes into their bodies in the first place. It's a double standard.

[Heidi]

87. Like how some guys refuse to control their own genetic material, then whine about child support?

Relevant like that, you mean?

[gorfle]

91. No,

I mean like how some women whine about how they have 100% control over their bodies when it comes to pregnancy yet somehow can't control the penises that go into it. Relevant like that, I mean.

[Heidi]

93. My right to medical privacy trumps either of our regrets.

Just so you understand the law.

[Heidi]

94. PS: if you value your genetic material, be a better steward of it.

It's said that possession in 9/10ths of the law. If you leave your sperm in someone's vagina, you rights to what that sperm may or may not become are mitigated by the woman's right to medical privacy. Don't like it? Invest in Latex or exercise more responsible stewardship. Voilà!

[gorfle]

110. First of all...

First of all, I don't value my genetic material. I donated at a sperm bank a couple of times, and have given blood many times.

But that's beside the point.

So is medical privacy.

It's a double standard that those who scream the hardest for 100% control over their bodies concerning pregnancy suddenly only want 50% of the responsibility of what goes into their bodies.

[uppityperson]

114. wtf is this "nly want 50% of the responsibility of what goes into their bodies."?

You keep saying this but wtf do you mean?

Pro-choice women only take responsibility 50% of the time? They have sex twice as often as they'd like? They take responsibility for 1/2 the sperm or perhaps only the right half of a penis? What?

What double standard are you talking about? Seriously.

[gorfle]

119. Read the thread. n/t.

.

[uppityperson]

125. I did. You don't have an answer? Oh Kay.

[gorfle]

126. Oh Kay.

Sorry the education thing didn't work out for you.

[uppityperson]

129. Ah, sorry the "please clarify" thing is beyond you. nt

[gorfle]

134. I don't have time to spoon feed, sorry.

.

[uppityperson]

136. yet you have time to reply in snark. I don't mind read and find assuming things

does not always work, esp if the person is unclear.

However, in this case I will assume that you do not want to explain what you meant since you didn't have a meaning, just a snark. Tah

[Tsiyu]

89. You are really funny

you are really creeped out by penises?

and that women = "horrors" "gasp!" allow PENISES in their bodies!!!!!!!!????

I am ROFL over here. You made my day...

:rofl:

[gorfle]

92. What makes you think that?

What did I say that makes you think I'm creeped out by penises? Of course women allow penises in their bodies. My wife allows mine in all the time.

[awoke_in_2003]

97. "My wife allows mine in all the time"

there's no accounting for taste.

[Tsiyu]

124. Seriously

:rofl:

[Arkansas Granny]

68. I believe you are on the right track. I taught my boys about birth control

and personal responsibility the same as I did my daughter. They started reaching puberty at about the same time that AIDS became a major factor, so we had many conversations about protection from disease, also. Since we had some friends who contracted AIDS and later died from it, they took those talks very seriously.

To reinforce those lessons, I also kept a box of condoms in the medicine chest so they would be available to any who felt they needed them (including some of their friends who didn't otherwise have access). I don't know if they used them for their intended purpose or made water balloons out of them, but I replenished the supply whenever it ran low and, to my knowledge, none of them has a child growing up without a daddy.

[uppityperson]

115. True, whomever is having sex is the PRIMARY one responsible.

That means for the female, she is, while for the male, he is. I see no problem in having both people feel primarily responsible.

[seabeyond]

120. selfishness works sometimes. he can think about his protection, she can think about hers, double

protection, lol

[DefenseLawyer]

7. What percentage of teenage boys would trade their parents house for a bitchin camaro?

Having once been a teenage boy I can tell you that they don't always have life figured out.

[varelse]

62. Good point (nt)

[Odin2005]

8. WTF?

[Fumesucker]

9. Getting back into my head of 45 years ago or so..

That would mean that the boys have actually had sexual intercourse, I strongly suspect that's where they are coming from..

And keep in mind that about 25% of the population would joyously put GW Bush and Dick Cheney back in power if they but could.

[SteveM]

10. Any word as to how many girls were 'pleased?'

Not trying to be sarcastic, but isn't it possible that some teenage girls may be 'pleased' by the prospect of getting "pg," and even plan on it? This doesn't excuse boys, but I find it hard to believe they are dirty dancing solo.

[jp11]

26. About half, than the boys for A little pleased and a bit higher for Very pleased.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_030.pdf

[Chulanowa]

36. Careful

Questions like that don't jive with the DU message.

[seabeyond]

84. seeing this is a study on boys and not girls, not surprising we are talking about boys

but beyond that, there was a recent study on teen girls and was said they wanted babies, purposely getting preg cause they want someone to "love" them. the reason for the quote, is anyone who had babies knows it isnt about the baby loving them, but the adult loving the baby and all the work that comes along with it. that is the most assinine reasoning in having a baby

if you will take note, being the balanced gal that i am, i talked about girls wanting to get preg in at least two posts, below.

[jp11]

133. The study was on teenages, both boys and girls were asked the same questions.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_030.pdf

[JBoy]

11. Palin family role models. Levi on TV and in magazines, Bristol with a speaking gig.

[customerserviceguy]

12. The simple fact is

there's no more shame in being a teenaged parent, male or female.

I'm not advocating a return to shame, but we should have made sure that when it left, it was replaced with responsibility instead.

[Gaedel]

78. We need a return to shame

Girls should be ashamed for having a child out of wedlock.

Boys should be ashamed for getting a girl pregnant.

Business owners should be ashamed for not paying their employees an equitable share of their contributions to the company's success.

Bankers should be ashamed for confusing the terms of the mortgage to exploit the borrower.

Borrowers should be ashamed for getting a liar's loan and endangering the depositors.

Politicians and lawyers should be ashamed for existing.

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. Boys don't want their girlfriends to get pregnant because of the financial cost.

If you don't have a job, and don't have any prospects of finding one, what've you got to lose?

[arbusto_baboso]

16. Stupidly assuming that ability to procreate makes them "men".

Life will beat that idiotic notion out of their heads in a few years with hard experience.

[seabeyond]

21. as girls are having babies so they can have someone to "love" them. someone

isnt doing their job.

[WaaHoo]

23. Teenage boys are idiots

I know, I used to be one.

[renate]

25. welcome to DU!

From the fact that you're here, it's clear that you've grown out of the "idiot" stage! :hi:

[WaaHoo]

30. depends on who you ask

Me or an ex-wife

[seabeyond]

33. *sigh* both my boys would be really offended by this statement. they hear it too often

they hear so much about how they are suppose to be. and they arent. and it really bothers them the lack of expectation.

my youngest just read that. said immediately, not something he should be proud fo. goes along with

they are just being teen
boys will be boys

neither kids buy into either of those

they grew up with a generation of girls chanting "boys go to jupiter to get more stupider, girls go to college to get more knowledge. girls rule, boys drool"

so we have had a lot of years discussing this.

[WaaHoo]

34. In 30 years your boys will say

"teenage boys are idiots"

You can bank on it

[seabeyond]

42. due to lack of experience mistakes will be made. some learn from the mistakes quicker than others

it isn't a matter of them being idiots.

there are actually teenagers that inspire to be responsible and look at their teenage time as time to learn to be adult, with mistakes to learn from. instead of the "just being a teenager" allowing what ever behavior go and all is fair and see what we can get away with mentality.

if that is the expectation of the child, that is exactly what you will get.

the more able my kids become the more anonymity they receive. they like that independence and freedom and work hard at achieving it.

[ProfessorGAC]

55. I Know What You're Saying, SB, But. . . .

. . .the other poster is right. When your sons on in their 40's, they will say that teenage boys are idiots, and they will be referring to the attitudes they had when they were that age. Almost all guys do it.
GAC

[seabeyond]

65. this is a hard one to battle.... but i am going to continue on

cause it is important.

it isnt a guy thing, it is a kid thing. we all have misconceptions, conditioned ideas, unexperienced thoughts because we are so young. yes, we can all say we are an idiot.... as we grow older, because we gain insight and life experiences that teach us and allows us to grow (most of us, a lot of us), BUT

i hear and see too many adults saying, boys will be boys, all boys are idiots, just doing what teenagers do..... and the result of that is getting exactly that. why?

because now we dont discuss, spend the time, teaching, listening, to our kids to help them to better understand the situation, life. we dont create foundations and security for kids. we dont teach them to be responsible. we leave society and peers and our culture to feed them. and we get exatly that.

why now are boys working at impregnating girls and not in that past, as a mass. why are girls now wanting to have babies so they have someone to love them (stupid, it is all about baby, not mama) and not in the past.

there are reasons this is happening, and it isnt about boys being idiots. it is about parents being lazy, busy, disconnected. it is about other adults not connecting with children. it is about society feeding these kids.

we all look at our teenage years and see how much we didnt know. but it is not the same as actively working to get girls preg so they can feel the man. why is it men arent teaching our boys what it is to be a man, but allow the commercials and tv shows and movies and rap songs and porn teach the boys what it is to be a man. why is it our men today teach our boys they have no control, they cant help it, they just have to treat women as things. why do men today honor the lying to get sex and then giggle, (a thread on du).

where are the grown men that know better that teach our boys who they are as men, what it is to be a man.... and work in that direction instead of simply shruggin and saying, boys are idiots. the fathers, uncles, coaches, bosses..... boys are loking to them to learn what it is to be a man, yet the men are faililng miserably in teaching the young male.

girls do stupid things, boys do stupid things, and they know it when they do it. the difference will be, whne they do the stupid, having an adult they respect words come back to them the right of it.... and learning from it.

[CrispyQ]

76. Good post, seabeyond!

We have a culture that doesn't hold men as responsible for parenthood as women & encourages the attitude that women are nothing more than objects of pleasure for men. It's no wonder the boys are pleased at getting girls pg & the girls are so desperate for love they are having babies.

You are right that an engaged, caring adult can make such a difference in these young people's lives! And how sad is that, that our culture is so perverse in regards to gender roles & responsibilities, that an adult is needed to counter the general message our society puts out there everyday?

[uppityperson]

118. Now you are ts'd. Tata

[seabeyond]

121. bah haha. and such a short stay, too. maybe he still is the "idiot". hm. nt

[Poll_Blind]

24. I...I don't even understand this. LOL. n/t

PB

[no_hypocrisy]

27. Mentality: It . . . . . . WORKS!!!!

Reptile brains.

[Crystal Clarity]

32. I read the whole article

curious to see if the study might have tracked a possible (i surmise- likely) parallel rise in abstinence only education over that time period. There was no mention of that, but it'd be interesting to see if the lax attitude these teenagers are displaying has anything to do with the misguided fundie approach.

Whatever the cause, the whole thing is very disconcerting.

[seabeyond]

49. these kids know HOW babies are created. they want to make them. that has nothing

to do with abstinence programs and what kids today doesnt know about the birth control pill or a condom.

[Crystal Clarity]

53. True. It goes into that

further down in the article. They said condom and other forms of protective use are up over previous years. The article seems to imply that has more to do with worries over STD's (which is good, of course) But my curiosity had to do with other possible motivational factors.

You say they want to make babies. I came to the same conclusion. I was just wondering out loud why; and if reverse psychology may play a role. Some teens when condescendingly moralized to as these abstinence-only programs tend to do... rebel (many times in self destructive ways, if susceptible). I unfortunately know this from personal experience growing up in a fundie family.

I guess I didn't explain myself well...actually I didn't explain that at all, come to think of it. But thats what I meant.

[seabeyond]

66. i have a brother that has two boys. i watched him raise them

he has a convoluted idea of what a man is. all that is shallow, nothing about character, though he will talk john waynish. i have watched him teach the boys that being a man is all on the outside in bravado and machoism. condom .... pffff, for the "pussy" male. put a stamp on the female. tag her. hit her. get a piece.....

here his kids are, teens. and a mess. this is who the boys are. it is pride, they impreg a girl. fuck whatever. be a man. still, with his kids a mess, he lectures me for being a bad parent cause i dont "let" my kids be teens.... i expect more out of them. like .... considering their future in the choices they make today. and character, integrity and honor and strength in that being the foundation of what being a man is.

[Crystal Clarity]

71. Your brother's attitude

is sadly all too common still among men, who then pass them on so the cycle repeats itself. I feel sorry for his boys who are being molded into believing that false bravado is the way to behave in, and view the world. It very likely won't serve them well in the future and certainly not their prospective mates. And yet this guy has the gaul to 'advise' you? That would have me so PO'd!

But thanks for doing your kids and society a favor by raising them the way you are. My sister has 3 teenaged boys and has said all along, ever since they were young, that she is 'doing her part for the feminist cause' by making sure they would not grow up to be misogynist males like our father had been. Sounds like you are too. :-)

[CrispyQ]

77. America is based on the false bravado male model.

We have such a long way to go to counteract this national mindset & huge opponents to fight in the battle - the media, our "leaders," sports stars & Hollywood stars, not to mention the millions of citizens, on the right & on the left, who still believe in & support American imperialism.


Kudos to your sister, seabeyond & others like them for recognizing this sickness in our culture & working to right it.

[TK421]

35. As long as it's the cool thing to do...because, you know it always has been

lots of kids are told there is something "wrong" with them if they don't have sex by a certain age...blame this fucking fucked-up society we live in.

These kids apparently don't give a fuck about the consequences, though

[Chulanowa]

37. Welcome to the era where sex education is "controversial"

and frank talk about sexuality is prohibited.

[seabeyond]

48. we didnt have sex education in my day and parents didnt talk about it. they start kids in 5th, 6th

and have it over and over and over. and parents are much more open talking about it. i have taled about more issues with sex with my kids because stuff is continually brought up and shoved in their face continually and at horribly young ages. it is ridiculous to suggest kids are less educated or aware of sex today than in past generations.

you are just going to have to come up with another reason for this behavior.

[fascisthunter]

38. I Worked with Guys who actually Bragged about having multiple children

by multiple women. To them their fertility bolsters their claim to being masculine. That's not my opinion, that was something that was confirmed to me by one guy who was doing the boasting.

[Jkid]

39. The teenagers will be pleased...

Until they realize the high cost of their decision. No free time, no disposable income, forced to dropout from high school. To paraphrase Olivia from Law and Order SVU: "Your life as you know it, is over"

[name not needed]

43. Teenage boys are fucking morons. What else is new?

[seabeyond]

50. damn, our men give our young boys outs at every turn. boys will be boys

teenage boys are idiots, fucking morons. just doing what teenagers do....

no wonder they expect nothing of themselves when they have grown men making excuses for them

[name not needed]

52. In what way am I giving them an "out"?

[seabeyond]

67. you have given them an excuse for behavior, you dont have to spend any time or effort

in teaching these boys that they are better than this, and the boys know, well hell, it is just them being idiots, no more is expected of them

my nephews stold a credit card adn a car, toook off from texas and was driving to reno..... 14 and 16. just being teenagers. i was so outraged. all their life, just being kids, just being boys, just being teenagers.

WRONG

they are just being criminals
they are just being irresponsible
they are just being trash

[Brooklyns_Finest]

112. Cut them some slack

You might not like hearing it, but they are just sewing their wild oats. Any man worth his salt has done some crazy stuff in his youth that he regretted.

[seabeyond]

113. stealing a credit card, stealing a car.... cut them some slack? man worth his salt

hm

ya

kinda like this

no, i dont cut criminal behavior some "slack"

maybe if they had not had all that slack, a year later they would be in school instead of being drop outs freshman and sophmore years. but fuck.... as long as this all makes them "man worth his salt "

[uppityperson]

117. while any woman has either been a madonna or a whore, right?

"Sowing wild oats", being a moron, doing crazy stuff in her youth=slut for female?

[Bucky]

58. I'm sure you could come up with a better pun than that.

a bit obviously, I'm afraid.

Try this: "How ironic. Now these teenage boys are shooting off their mouths without thinking, too"

[uppityperson]

116. Teenage girls are fucking morons also.

[marshall]

45. I hope they at least maintain an emergency abortion fund

Healthcare isn't cheap.

[woo me with science]

47. OR.....a quarter of teenage boys enjoy messing with surveys. nt

[JVS]

51. Kids, always finding new ways to rebel and cause consternation.

[HughBeaumont]

54. Ha ha ha ha ha, Yeah.

[varelse]

63. that's awesome

:rofl:

[DailyGrind51]

56. When they are working two jobs to support that baby, they will be too tired to be pleased!

[JCMach1]

57. 25% of teen boys are total idiots... anyone shocked about that???

[TwilightGardener]

73. I'm not. They're idiots right along with the teenage girls who try to get pregnant.

[cbdo2007]

83. And I bet this 25% of idiotic boys are sleeping with 75% of the girls their age.

Usually the more idiotic a teenage boy is the more likely girls want to do it with them. I don't know why but that's just the way it is.

[closeupready]

69. It's a psychopathology bred of religions that glorify heterosexuality.

Getting a girl pregnant is prima facie evidence of manhood.

[Regret My New Name]

101. 75% of teenage boys don't agree.

I wonder how many of 25% are religious.

[NeedleCast]

70. The Idiocracy is Coming...

[LeftinOH]

74. A huge percentage of children (maybe about 25%) have awful/absent role models or parents -n/t

[-..__...]

80. Parents, please have your kids spayed and nutered...

[seabeyond]

81. or... parents, please raise your children and be a parent. too often we

put it on the kids shoulder when it is our fail.

[hobbit709]

85. A week of 2 AM feedings and diaper changes would disabuse that notion.

[seabeyond]

86. so funny.... i have a 12 and 15 yr old. last couple weeks have had nieces 2 yr and 5 mo old

here at the house. when these two babies leave the house, i say, .... condom. got it boys, condom. lol

now that they are older and i babysit soemones babies, i put them to work. they are seeing the work.

[JaneQPublic]

88. Perhaps these are horny virgins who'd be glad to have sex with ANY result...

...even getting the girl pregnant.

I realized this scenario isn't the most likely one, but I just threw that one out there in honor of my big dork brother who was a virgin until age 29 and probably would have been one of the teenage boys to say he'd be pleased to impregnate a girl, only because he would have just been pleased to have sex.

[madokie]

90. What they're really saying

is they would like to get layed

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

95. Russell Baker

“Eternal boyhood is the dream of a depressing percentage of American males, and the locker room is the temple where they worship arrested development.“ Russell Baker

[David Zephyr]

111. +1

.

[KonaKane]

98. As you can see, the women's movement has really backslid

We have produced another generation of 50's Marlboro men. Huzzah. bleh.

[seabeyond]

99. feminist? they get the blame? how about the fathers not teaching sons what being a man is truly

about?

oh no

those damn feminists.

[upi402]

102. It's conservatism, I will never forget

to blame the pervasive propaganda machine that has undone progress. And I can't blame this group or that group on the other side of that juggernaut.

[seabeyond]

106. ?

you are clear, but i am not getting your point and curious.

[KonaKane]

107. Try reading for comprehension next time.

I never blamed "feminists". I said the womens movement has backslid, which it has. Not that its to blame, but the social regression our society went through as a result of the Reagan era and beyond.

I really hate it when people jump to whiney, erroneous conclusions that are actually the opposite of my meaning.

[seabeyond]

108. i hardly think it has to do with reading comprehension. you have now clarified a tad more

now we are up to movement backslid, and social regression resulting from reagan and beyond.

'reading comprehension, whiney"

how about clarity?

so you are saying that what the womens movement was accomplishing lost its moment reagan era and beyond? i can go with that. i see that. i saw a lot of good happening 70's and 80's then started seeing the shift in the 90's.

i still see it more that men's definition of what being a man has shifted

[KonaKane]

122. Wow, you are just a damned genius.

so you are saying that what the womens movement was accomplishing lost its moment reagan era and beyond? i can go with that.

Uh, that's EXACTLY what I said. From the beginning. Before you decided to see what you wanted to see in my post and get angry for nothing.

I hope that's bringing your life alot of blessings.

[seabeyond]

123. i may be a genius, but really

i am wondering if you arent a moron, or i am in twilight zone. you are talking marlboro man in the 50's, never talk about the reagan era, and then state what you have said from the beginning. and you criticize my reading comprehension? you stoned?

[KonaKane]

130. You're living in your own reality. I'm done with you.

for the future, you might want to make sure you understand what you read before you read things into it that arent there and get pissed off.

Bye now.

[Name removed]

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[Dont TS Me Brah]

104. DEFFO wtf!!!!!!! nt

[JHB]

109. Any data on how this compares to other countries?

Or regional variations within this country?

[Tsiyu]

127. Humans

When times are stressful for a society, don't the young hit puberty sooner?

Doesn't that biological imperative kick in: we're starving, make babies?



So kids are starving for more than crappy food, perhaps?

And we do live in a culture with virtually no rites of passage for our young. Is this their own self-imagined "rite?"

But men do need to decide if they are merely animals or fully human...I get so confused between the "I can't help being stupid cuz I'm a man" and the "I know best cuz I'm a man" crap.

Which is it?

[seabeyond]

128. that is f*ckin funny

""I can't help being stupid cuz I'm a man" and the "I know best cuz I'm a man" crap."


i am just going to have to steal this from you. i havent thought about this. but i LOVE it.

[Tsiyu]

131. Steal it, please

Lemme know if you get an answer...i never did

and I've been stewing over the duality for decades.



Living in Georgia will do this to a woman.

[seabeyond]

132. lmao... how about texas. i use to be normal. lol

i bet there wont be an answer. not one. but i am not shy.

jahjaw.... hm. lol.

[New Dawn]

135. Those 25% are Evangelicals.

[adoraz]

137. lol so many anti-male comments

its scary how many women (and I guess men) have had bad relationships with men here. all the sexist crap that wouldn't be tolerated had it been the other way around.

this thread has some decent examples, but there has been a lot worse on DU. i don't think I've mentioned it much, so I'll do so now.

i love this forum, lots of great stuff..... but too many people here embarrass me.

too many people aren't really "liberal", just male haters trying to justify their attitudes.

I'm male. I was a teenager just a few years ago. I would have been, and still would be absolutely mortified if I ever got a girl pregnant. It would ruin both of our lives. because of this, I'm extremely, extremely cautious. far more cautious than any woman I've been with. i always end up turning the girl down if I don't know her well enough, anyways. don't like risking anything for such a serious issue. people in general, not just males, don't always see the long term circumstances of their actions.

don't make stupid generalizations, not all teenage boys are idiots (hence... why the big majority said they wouldn't be pleased). i've known a lot of stupid guys, but that certainly goes for girls as well.

[seabeyond]

138. appreciate... who is making the anti males comments? the ones saying boys are idiots?

that would be males.

who is insisting boys, teenagers are much more than that.

mostly women.

just food for thought.

but

i really value what you say. this false machoism i hear from men today, is not a reality in their life, something they wear with a badge of honor, however. it takes the strong male, with character to say.... no, i am not buying into that title. i refuse.

that.... i truly value.


kinda like the thread in lounge talking about men lie to get sex. almost every single man say thing like, bear shit in woods, swim across snot and shit river to.... as if lying, because it is to get sex, is something to feel good about. you know, manly. where as the reality, most guys have no need to lie. shouldnt be something you brag about if you do lie. not something to be proud of. a few men, could say they dont lie for sex, and still feel like a man. those others, fall into the catagory of the 25% from this study, that wrap themselves up in an illusionary manliness. and you can betcha girls/women have the same counter issues.

of course there are stupid girls. and there are men like you who can be responsible and make good choice AND have fun

i appreciate your post