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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:29 PM
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What is more important: Deficits or helping people currently in crisis?
I can't see how Congress can argue and vote against extending unemployment benefits.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:31 PM
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1. Rich people believe THEY'RE in crisis
So there ya go
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:37 PM
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5. And then and only then the Action is Go!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:35 PM
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2. In '37, after running a progressive campaign in '36, FDR chose deficits over people.
So, there you go.

There's no out-guessing this stuff.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:38 PM
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6. bush/cheney and GOP Congress chose deficts over (most) people's best interests
Deficits for war. Deficits for giving the richest people tax cuts. THOSE deficits were fine and dandy for too many in power and media.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:44 PM
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7. Yes, I agree. nt
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:36 PM
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3. Deficits didn't matter when tax cuts for the rich were lavished on the fortunate
Nor did deficits matter when Iraq war (to make obscene amounts of money for corporate contractors) was started up.

Deficits ONLY matter when DEMs are in charge and there is a tiny chance the common people might get a bigger crumb.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:38 PM
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13. And yet look who plans on doing the cutting...

punked again.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:54 PM
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15. REPUBS ARE THE ENEMY
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:36 PM
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4. Funny, Obama is on TV right now saying we cant continue deficit spending
The unemployed, under employed, seniors, and the disabled will just have to suck it up and sacrifice I suppose.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:46 PM
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9. Let's see, deficits cut into long term wealth of the wealthy....
yep more evidence of just who Obama frets over most.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:45 PM
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8. If local and federal government
lays off workers to reduce the deficit it will mean that many more people needing to draw unemployment from funds already in the red. That many more people unable to pay their mortgage, bills or taxes. Unable to pay for education, cars, vacations, luxury items, and even food. Which will in turn mean larger deficits for local and federal governments forcing them to raise taxes and fees to make up the revenue shortfall and lay off more workers which will mean that many more people needing to draw unemployment from funds already in the red. That many more people unable to pay their mortgage, bills or taxes. Unable to pay for education, cars, vacations, luxury items, and even food. Which will in turn mean larger deficits.........


Downward spiral is all that will come from pursuing deficit reductions over spending money to support out of work workers and to create a real honest jobs program that puts people to work. If you ask those on unemployment if they want a check or a job, they will tell you they need the check but would prefer the job. So we need to figure out how to get people back to work.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 12:55 PM
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10. I think you sum up my view quite succinctly
I don't know why they won't go for some type of WPA program because long-term unemployment is just becoming more entrenched. There are so many projects that could be accomplished. If you are going to pay extended benefits, why not gain tangible public benefits from the program?
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:32 PM
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12. Because business would not gain
only the people.... maybe it is time to make some drastic changes in this country
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:31 PM
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11. One would think even the idiots would "get it"
If people don't have sufficient income to purchase needs and wants business will suffer. Nothing like shooting one's self in the foot and then wondering why they are bleeding.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:54 PM
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14. It doesn't have to be either/or.
That's what the corporatists want it to be -- but it doesn't have to.
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wingnut40 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 01:57 PM
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16. If there is nothing wrong with debt than max out your credit cards.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 02:10 PM
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17. Nobody said that there was nothing wrong with debt
but, if you had no health care coverage, would you use your credit card to pay for much-needed medicine? Or, would you charge your medicine, planning on getting pack in the position of paying it off, or just take your chances without medicine and face possible death.

Bad analogy.

So, what should be done with the millions and millions of people who are losing their unemployment benefits?

What do you think will happen when that very, very modest cash flow is cut off? More homes foreclosed, less goods like groceries purchased. And what do you think would quickly happen to the headway we are making on the recession?

And, if debt is so awful, I'm sure you favor immediate withdrawal in Iraq and Afghanistan and drastic cuts in the military budget. And, of course, you voiced the same concerns when Bush waged two wars while cutting taxes for the wealthiest.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 02:20 PM
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18. BP is in Crisis so we should give them billions....
Funny how all we hear is crickets chirping when it comes to tax payer money for the oil industry, yet as soon as we need money for comunities or health care it is Deficit, Deficit, Deficit.. Don't they remember "Reagan proved Deficits don't matter" direct quote from Dick Cheney..
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 02:32 PM
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19. Does that mean you will charge money to your credit card to help someone else?
Edited on Wed Jun-02-10 02:33 PM by stray cat
keep their house or something along that line?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 03:22 PM
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20. You and wingnut must get your talking points
from the same well.
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