Watch the BP Cam! Thread #10

[gateley]

Link to Thread #9: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8467065&mesg_id=8467065

Good morning intrepid club members! We're into the Double Digits! Let''s hope the day progresses positively. :patriot:


Thanks to NYC_SKP, jaxx, Subdivisions and many others for keeping this series running!

WKRG Video Stream: http://www.livestream.com/wkrg_oil_spill

ABC Video Stream: http://abcnews.go.com/video/video?id=6046305

Akamia Link: http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/reflector:46245.asx ?...

Explanatory video: http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwellstechupdatelong053110.htm (MUST SEE!)

Current Oil Drum thread (as of 4am Pacific) http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6547 They have some great photos and explanations of what we were watching.

[csziggy]

1. Are all the ROVs leaving?

It was a cool shot, though - I counted four, maybe five ROVs around the blow out preventer. But it looked as though they were all lifting off. Maybe it is shift change or recharge time.

[gateley]

2. Wow - that must have been something to see. I missed it --

I'm heading back to bed but wanted to get a new thread up for those who are up and watching.

Read the last few posts on Thread #9 - there's discussion of the blade freezing or being jammed. :(

[csziggy]

102. I hope someone got that on video - it was cool

I went back to bed - trying to catch up. See you on the newer threads.

[entanglement]

3. The ROV seems to be waiting there doing nothing

[global1]

4. It Looks To Me Like They Are Bringing Jaws Back Down....nt

[meow mix]

5. did the wire saw fail?

sounding like it cant tell for sure..

[NYC_SKP]

9. Jammed, frozen in ice, hard to say but stopped for certain for the last 6 hours or so.

It was going along smoothly, got almost half way through and then stopped.

:mad:

[Junkdrawer]

11. I think so. Inch thick riser + drill pipe while getting creamed with high pressure oil...

was too much for what I see as a relatively fragile machine.

I'm guessing that 'ole Gramps the Clamp (Hydraulic Shear) may be tried next. In that case, the cut will be anything but clean and the alternate hood will need to be used.

[drm604]

6. Well,

that doesn't look good.

[Gin]

7. how can they see what they are doing?

[NYC_SKP]

8. Looks like they might try to use the giant shear to jostle the riser, free the saw...

FREE THE SAW!!!

[drm604]

10. Some kind of action going on...

[drm604]

12. Uh Oh

blinded!

[drm604]

13. Bringing in the bright lights.

Let's see if that helps.

[NYC_SKP]

14. No small number of BP employees would probably love to hang the people responsible for this...

A small number of careless greedy assholes made this happen, against the wishes of workers present at the site.

Now everyone is in danger of losing their jobs, and hundreds if not thousands are doing their level best to mitigate the damage.

There's gotta be some serious anger among the BP workers.

:mad:

[drm604]

15. Imagine trying to do what they're doing while blinded by a cloud of oil.

I can't see anything at the moment. How are they supposed to work like that?

[flamingdem]

18. I think BP is toast. Steve Forbes just said as much on MSNBC.

The stock price is taking another hit today. They might end up filing bankruptcy.

[HughMoran]

81. Forbes and others will say this so they can buy in at the lowest possible stock price

...and make a friggin' killing. BP will NOT go belly up.

[gateley]

56. Very good point - I hadn't thought of that. They're victims, too. nt

[NYC_SKP]

16. Can't tell if they're trying to take another bite with the giant shear, or just bumping it around...

On the WKRG feed: http://www.livestream.com/wkrg_oil_spill

The ABC feed is a different, oily, view of I don't know what.

:shrug:

[Subdivisions]

17. Ok, I just dragged my tired ass out of bed. I still see riser pipe...

:(

[flamingdem]

19. In the press conference they said the saw got "stuck" nt

[NYC_SKP]

20. ARGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!

Know what I mean?

:P

:hi:

[Subdivisions]

21. Dammit! That sucks! OK, I gotta figure out how to get that blade un-stuck.

*Taps foot. Rubs chin*

[NYC_SKP]

22. I wonder how many here know what it's like to break off a drill bit in steel, or to...

...and this is worse, to be using an EZ-out to remove a bolt after the head shears off.

And then the EZ-out snaps off.

Either are frustrating, and this reminds me of that a little.

:mad:

[flamingdem]

24. In the press conference they said another saw is on the way down

.. but they have to find it first?!

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. Or tried to saw through a pipe-within-a-pipe?

The inner pipe will inevitably shift, putting the blade in a bind. Happens. Every. Time.

They have to cut the outer pipe, spread the cut edges apart, then cut the inner pipe.

[Subdivisions]

33. I explained last night that the kink would prevent any piping inside the

riser from flopping around. I find it very hard to believe there is a loose pipe complicating this cut.

[lumberjack_jeff]

41. The inner pipe doesn't have to shift axially to cause a problem.

And as you near the end of the cut through the inner pipe, it will shift, particularly when it's under the kind of forces this pipe is.

[Subdivisions]

32. I know what it's like to break a drill bit and have had my battles with saw blades.

The only thing I can think of (last resort) is to have one of the ROVs cut the wire blade on either side of the pipe. That will free the Cut saw to move back to the surface for a new blade. Meanwhile, hopefully the ROVs can pull out the piece of blade still in the cut.

[NYC_SKP]

40. The drawback there is leaving the diamond wire in there, then going back to cut through it...

...part of the analogy with broken drill bits-- now there's a hardened steel thing in the way of the work.

Damn, broken bits are never fun, and leaving the hardened steel diamond encrusted leftover bit could be a problem when they go back to it.

I still think there's a small chance that the drill pipe inside had enough play to shift enough to go out of alignment with the riser and jam things up.

I tend to agree with you on the likelihood that it's not moving, though.

[jaxx]

23. Mornin DU Under Sea BP ROV CLUB

My gawd did I just see Jaws back again? I've read along what I missed and it seems like the diamonds weren't the best friend. What is the blue thing around the BOP?

Can someone fill me in please?

[Webster Green]

26. Looks like they're using the claw to move the riser around.

I guess they're trying to relieve the stress on the saw wire by moving the riser.

[NYC_SKP]

27. Mornin, felllow Clubster! Don't see the blue thing, which feed are you on?

:hi:

:patriot:

[jaxx]

28. BP's feed

It looked like it was surrounded by a blue oval.

[Subdivisions]

35. Mornin' Jaxx. Just fell out of bed myself and catching up. Seems the saw blade is stuck. n/t

[jaxx]

38. I worked all night. 10.5 hours.

Drives me crazy not being able to keep up with this.

[SidDithers]

25. Are they trying to crimp the end of the cut off riser?...

Jaws is squeezing, but I can't really see the point of shearing again right at the end.

Sid

[NYC_SKP]

29. I wonder if they aren't trying to nudge the riser, open up the saw cut a little...

But I don't think the saw got far enough through for that to work.

It seems to have gotten only to about the half way point through the pipe last night.

[jaxx]

39. Looks like jaws still has ahold of the end of that pipe.

[jaxx]

31. Got this from WaPo

News Alert: Effort to contain Gulf oil stalls with stuck saw
10:04 AM EDT Wednesday, June 2, 2010
--------------------

SCHRIEVER, La. — Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen is saying that a saw has become stuck as it was cutting through a pipe on a busted well, stalling the latest attempt to contain the Gulf oil gusher.

Allen said Wednesday the goal is to free the saw and finish the cut later in the day. This is the second major cut in the effort to contain — not plug — the nation's worst spill.

Allen says the first cut with giant shears was successful overnight.

The best chance at plugging the leak involves a relief well that is at least two months from completion.

[NYC_SKP]

34. Same as on CNN just now. Adm. Allen said they're using shears now to try to free the saw.

I saw, too, that CNN finally got their act together and showed some graphics....like we in the DU Under Sea ROV Club showed like days ago.

I tell ya, we're in the wrong business!

:hi:

[Subdivisions]

36. Yea, The DUUSBPROVCLUB is on the job! HA! I just beat

Rachel's IOKIYAR like a dirty rug!

[jaxx]

37. Yeah it has been great on here getting the info and the pics.

It really makes a difference knowing what they are doing.

[NYC_SKP]

42. New Kick Ass Video Feed I Just Found, Full Screen IMAX!!!!

OK, maybe not IMAX, but worth looking at:

http://bit.ly/bb1sW8

:patriot:

[jaxx]

48. Dupe

[jaxx]

49. Good one....has a different view right now.

[tekisui]

57. This is the first time I have seen this view.

What am I looking at? There seems to be more oil gushing on this video than I have seen from any of the others.

[meow mix]

43. gushing oil

that is a hell of a lot of oil comin out

[lumberjack_jeff]

47. Yes.

Getting the saw stuck was a huge fuckup.

In a prior life, I designed piping systems for refineries, tankers and nuclear plants. Given the size of the pipe, the previous flow, the pressures described, the shape of the kink and the fact that it was a pipe within a pipe, I expected to see 5-10x flow increase once the pipe was cut off.

... I know that the official estimate is that the flow will go up 30-50%. I think that's underestimated by an order of magnitude for pr reasons.

Dumbfucks.

[meow mix]

52. yah i cut a lot of metal in unique configurations

and i was hopeful when i seen thier setup but definetly not anymore

[lumberjack_jeff]

55. The best and brightest didn't see this coming.

They need to do a better job vetting "best and brightest".

I'm having serious anger flashbacks from dealing with Purdue-educated® engineers who have never held a hacksaw or welder.

[HughMoran]

83. lol @ being smarter than the smartest in the world

I'd love to put one of the internet warriors in charge and watch their eyes turn into glazed saucers :rofl:

[lumberjack_jeff]

103. Yeah. If you put me in charge, I'd probably have polluted the whole gulf.

Oh, wait.

Brian Johnson: I'm a fucking idiot because I can't make a lamp?
John Bender: No. You're a genius because you can't make a lamp.
-The Breakfast Club

[NNN0LHI]

44. Boy they got that saw bound up really bad didn't they?

Hope they don't damage whats left of the BOP swinging that big pipe around to try and unbind the saw.

Don

[jaxx]

45. It's leaning really bad.

Looks like the ROV is trying to stabilize it some.

[SidDithers]

50. Oil Drum guys were indicating the top of the BOP is a flex valve...

and they expect it to straighten up quite a bit once the riser is chopped.

Sid

[jaxx]

46. What would happen if the BOP falls over?

[lumberjack_jeff]

51. It would suck. But I don't think it's likely.

They've cut signficantly through the upper pipe, the lower pipe contains several concentric pipes, it would be very difficult to break it there.

Look at the riser pipe above the bop, it fell to the seafloor and kinked without damaging the pipe below the bop.

[jaxx]

53. Thanks, I feel better now.

That thing leaning scares me.

[NNN0LHI]

54. I think they better 'fly' another saw down there ASAP

And start cutting somewhere else a little further up the pipe.

Don

[NYC_SKP]

58. In one of the views, is anyone else reminded of this?:

[gateley]

59. That's sobering.

[SidDithers]

60. Movement on the diamond saw...

it was just unclamped from the riser flange.

Sid

[meow mix]

61. just saw the apparatus jerk loose..

looks free

[gateley]

62. ABC and WKRG have different views.

[NYC_SKP]

64. Yes,it's good to have the different views on tap. I'm keeping three feeds open in different tabs.

Gotta stay on top of this mess!

[gateley]

66. Ha! I know you've got the wall o' feeds up and active! Are we waiting on a

replacement part, or waiting for inspiration to strike?

[NYC_SKP]

68. Guesstimating that they're waiting for something from topside, and looking over...

...what they might do in the meantime, like bring the BOP back into plumb.

I gather they planned to do this before placing the LMRP.

That's my greenhorn guess!

[gateley]

69. Your guesses have been pretty spot on and make sense. Do you know if they

have whatever it is topside, or are they waiting for delivery, or even worse, to be manufactured?

Never mind, how on earth would anyone know that? I'm as bad as a two year old with the questions! :crazy:

[NYC_SKP]

77. I kind of doubt that there's another wire saw just like the one down there.

Judging from the look of it's carriage and parts and details, it looked to be custom made for this operation.

Not that they couldn't build another, or haven't already.

It's a round the clock deal, and Oceaneering is a HUGE part of it, the ROVs, cameras, and the Saws, though a different company makes the diamond wire saw and Oceaneering modified it for this project, IMHO.

http://www.cut-group.com/

:hi:

[NYC_SKP]

70. Cool robot here:

http://www.oceaneering.com/3486/robonaut-2-moves-technology-forward/

FLV file: http://www.oceaneering.com/oceanmedia/inthenews/201002-oss-robonaut2.flv

Very cool.

:hi:

[lumberjack_jeff]

63. I knew of an old single-handed sailor

When a storm would blow and his ship would get knocked down and stuff would break, before rushing into action, he would pour himself a glass of brandy. His philosophy; "one damn thing happens after another". He felt that rushing into poorly-considered action is more likely to cause additional problems than waiting three minutes will.

This is definitely "one damn thing after another" territory. Getting the saw stuck was a huge, huge fuckup. I would be *very* surprised if the current leak rate is any less than four times the previous one.

Idiots.

Can any torch-cutting technology work at this depth?
http://www.onlinefreeebooks.net/engineering-ebooks/manufacture-mechanical-industrial-engineering/us-navy-underwater-cutting-welding-manual-s0300-bb-man-010-pdf.html

[NYC_SKP]

65. I wondered about that and about shaped charges, but, you know, it's petroleum.

And even though there isn't an oxygen source there, it could be dangerouse.

Hi pressure water cutting, maybe?



:shrug:

[NYC_SKP]

67. Checking the big yellow bubble level.

I want one.

I just have a baby one.



:P

[gateley]

72. You could make it into a coffee table!

[gateley]

71. Latest Oil Drum Links (thanks to Professor Goose!)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8469797&mesg_id=8469797

Note there's a live chat link included. If you partake, please report back! :hi:

[HughMoran]

73. Either repositioning or trying to free the wire saw

:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

I think they're starting over with a higher cut....that would have two advantages:

1.) An uneven cut could later be cleaned-up with a lower cut

2.) The inner drill pipe would move less the closer it is to the crimp

[HughMoran]

88. I'm just now wondering how much higher they can get - the flange they are grabbing isn't that tall

:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

90. Noticed that too...The saw is wobbling and can't get a good grip....

Perhaps a "field modification" is in order....

[NYC_SKP]

74. Maybe Oceaneering is bringing in this Dude:

http://www.oceaneering.com/3486/robonaut-2-moves-technology-forward/

FLV file: http://www.oceaneering.com/oceanmedia/inthenews/201002-oss-robonaut2.flv

Very cool.

:hi:

[gateley]

75. Wow - cool indeed. nt

[flamingdem]

76. Checking out the IRC forum

<09:36> <Rocky_IV> I don't think they are worried about angle od ascent or decsent as long cut through the monger
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<09:36> <Trailman_> I'm voting for the diamond wire bot to the Smithsonian after this
<09:36> <oelsardine> lol oh god this shit is intense
<09:36> <stu> moving to next quadrant to continue cut perhaps ?
<09:36> <sufferport> JustOnePerson - thatnks for identifying the point at which the torque would focus
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<09:36> <EdBob> Riser dust. Don't breath this.
<09:36> <GeGs> maybe the other ROV is coming around and causing swirls
<09:36> <maximies> what is the white ?
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<09:36> <FarkerSkink> Ah, I follow...sorry Winkie ;-)
<09:36> <ThatsEarl> some sort of x-ray imaging might work through a(not too much) water and oil
<09:36> <bungeo> I'm seriously thinking about canceling my summer vacation on the gulf coast and stay in good old germany
<09:36> <Wednell> what are they spraying?
<09:36> <GeGs> but that is defenitly oil
<09:36> <codesuidae> lol@EdBob:
<09:36> <mi||ipede> SOMETHING new happenign.. is that saw dust?
<09:36> <oelsardine> bungeo: woher kommst du denn? ;D
<09:36> == mode/#theoildrum <+o ptone> by Nalez
<09:36> <DonB> dispersant
<09:36> <FarkerSkink> Whoa
<09:36> <jedigras> question: why can't they just "unscrew" the connection?
<09:36> <bungeo> mannheim
<09:36> <mi||ipede> ASpart from reddish-brown oil
<09:36> <@ptone> I think they've given up on the perfect cut and are just trying to get the riser off and LMRP in place as best they can
<09:36> <chrisale> is that dispersant?
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<09:37> <Keatah> the cutting saw frame clamps to the the pipe or whatever it is working on with 1500+ psi in the actuators
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<09:37> <chrisale> why spray dispersant there?
<09:37> <chainp1n> could be
<09:37> <oelsardine> lol
<09:37> <asadotzler> jedigras: They cannot simply unbolt the riser flange because inside of the riser is a second pipe called the drill pipe (DP) and that pipe is pinched above the flange (see the big bend in the riser up there where all the oil's been spewing for the last month?) and pinched by rams in the BOP below the flange. If the DP can't move, then unbolting, even if it could be done, wouldn't do you any good.

[gateley]

78. Thanks so much, flamingdem!!

[NYC_SKP]

79. Cool! Keep em coming! And lol at this comment:

"Riser dust. Don't breath this."

:rofl:

[flamingdem]

82. more IRC banter

<09:42> <whome> Dunno about you but I came here to drill!
<09:42> <askwhy> that angry plume isn't even being stirred up by the saw right now, it's just an angry plume...
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<09:42> <ThatsEarl> ewwww
<09:42> <sufferport> rule 3 nooooo poofters
<09:42> <bungeo> rule 2: don't trust the brits
<09:42> <ChunkyPastaSauce> whats with abc feed?
<09:42> <haxen> rule 4, make sure no one is looking
<09:42> <korhojoa> cableguy: i know, i saw the request. just curious.
<09:42> <DonB> oil blob in the ROV?
<09:42> <haxen> oh wait
<09:42> <oelsardine> my god @ oilcano on abc
<09:43> <CelestialBeard> so far nothing I have seen from bp is british :(
<09:43> <oelsardine> he looked up for a moment
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<09:43> <sufferport> abc feed - sometines they shake the video camera to dislodge debrris from lens
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<09:43> <theDude> looking for hydrates on DSAW skid
<09:43> <CelestialBeard> i havent heard tony speak though so maybe he is british
<09:43> <fierce> 20% increase oelsardine
<09:43> <ChunkyPastaSauce> suffer: makes sense thanks
<09:43> <neilk> he is british
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<09:43> <ThatsEarl> RSG has his work cut out for him.
<09:43> <chrisale> CelestialBoard: except for the CEO who wants his life back
<09:43> <haxen> fecking brit
<09:43> <neilk> there was an awesome clip from the daily show yesterday
<09:43> <mi||ipede> sufferport: oh. I thought they were maybe using "digital zoom", and changing settings
<09:43> <thc> fuku
<09:43> <OwlSaver> Rule 0: Do no harm - they seem to have forgotten that one.
<09:43> <CelestialBeard> I had only seen that in print
<09:43> <ChunkyPastaSauce> i wonder how many executives went on "vacation"
<09:43> <JoeBeets2> cableguy: wait, what did I do?
<09:43> <oelsardine> looks more than 20%
<09:43> <oelsardine> but what do i know
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<09:43> <haxen> poor Tony's life, what a shame he is missing vacation time
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<09:43> <CelestialBeard> POOR TONY
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<09:43> <fwtx> OwlSaver: that is doctors ooath.... not corporation's
<09:43> <CelestialBeard> there are several yachts
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<09:43> <CelestialBeard> unattended
<09:44> <xazp_> I want my life back too.
<09:44> <a-mused> fierce: iirc, we're not yet seeing 20% increase. DSAW needs to complete that riser removal for that to happen.
<09:44> <Dude_> and its only a small cut now.. its not like its almost off
<09:44> <CelestialBeard> because tony cannot get his life back
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<09:44> <soosoos> rule 34 on CRAW yet?
<09:44> <JustOnePerson> the spew through the thin DSAW cut makes it look worse than it really is
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<09:44> <comfychair> ted haggard hired as new CEO of rentboy.com
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<09:44> <mi||ipede> soosoos: hehe
<09:44> <CelestialBeard> craw-chan
<09:44> <neilk> a reporter accosted him with a thing saying BP has massive safety violation over the last few years, and tony said "well, if you look at it, those figures are from an earlier time and we've done much better in the last three years"
<09:44> <mindcandy_27> yeah, he's thinking "damn .. there goes the golf course in Ohio .. hey guys, somebody buy land in Ohio.
<09:44> <DonB> He said.. I want my wife back.. not life.
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<09:44> <Rocky_IV> (Smoke in the Water) (Fire in the Sky) mp3
<09:44> <fierce> amused... oh geeze i forgot
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<09:44> <mindcandy_27> er .. golf course in florida
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<09:44> <haxen> rule 5: do not, under any circumstances, allow the project to be run be brits

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<09:44> <theDude> flow at end of riser was mostly oil because it was 60-100 ft below the top of BOP. riser was acting as both a separator and a diverter
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<09:45> <ChunkyPastaSauce> donb: that sharks with lasers are coming
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<09:45> <oelsardine> allignment of DSAW now totally screwed...look @ bp feed
<09:45> <fierce> rule 2: don't try to reposition the saw blade iin an oilcano
<09:45> <mouseki-werk> nuu the sharks have green lasers
<09:45> <evergreen> neilk: so much for the big party the day of the little accident
<09:45> <CelestialBeard> so
<09:45> <CelestialBeard> if dsaw cuts it off wrong
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<09:45> <CelestialBeard> they cant fit the thing on it
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<09:45> <theDude> now all that oil is at the BOP being mixed with gas
<09:45> <haxen> rule 1: never open the package
<09:45> <DonB> it is a lazer measure.. now that we have exceeded the bubble level
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<09:46> <SamSpeed> S'long folks gotta get something done. This is too much. Going cold turkey
<09:46> <DSAWfan> On the left, just above gripper, is that an empty pulley?
<09:46> <haxen> rule 3: never break rule 1
<09:46> <mi||ipede> How neat and leev doe steh cut really have to be? I mean teh collector thign surely is built to overlap considerably?
<09:46> <ChunkyPastaSauce> kala: whats a caulder coupling?
<09:46> <smokebreak> can they not use a laser to cut the riser?
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<09:46> <a2> Caulder coupling, no its a chastity belt

[gateley]

80. PS -- I wonder what view they're watching. nt

[HughMoran]

85. The way the oil is spewing all over the place

you have to wonder if it matters :D

[gateley]

89. Yeah. You're right. nt

[flamingdem]

91. more IRC - they are into "Craw" AKA Chomper

<09:52> <Alfons> CRAW's approval rating surpasses that of Obama or any other US politician
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<09:52> <mindcandy_27> Hans is in jail for killing his wife
<09:52> <@meeces> cableguy, it sure does look a lot in comparrison to before at this angle (abc feed)
<09:52> <mindcandy_27> ReiserFS lives on
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<09:52> * bluwaters is only lowly layperson, but it looks like a whole lot more oil spewing now :(
<09:52> <oleOily> How long this CUT been going ON?
<09:52> <CRAW> Patience little ones.
<09:52> <dsockwell> mindcandy_27: are you sure he's not at the bottom of the ocean, poisoning the gulf of mexico?
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<09:52> <cableguy> JustOnePerson could be right, lets hope so...
<09:52> <dv-> Though, Nina Reiser does not
<09:52> <ChunkyPastaSauce> ole: what cut?
<09:52> <tony_> The gov’t cant take over BP oil operations because they “don’t have the equipment”. Our country doesn’t own a freakin saw?
<09:52> <@ptone> does anyone have some good links for pictures taken of CRAW at surface?
<09:52> <fava> dsockwell: I think Hans is in prison
<09:52> <mi||ipede> A File System cannot be held responsible for its creator
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<09:52> <Ronnie_> did they get the blade moving again?
<09:52> <oleOily> I started watching the CUT at 9:30pm last night
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<09:53> <dsockwell> but has anyone SEEN him?
<09:53> <evergreen> oleOily: since the beginning of eternity ohmmmmmm
<09:53> <JustOnePerson> gunny - we don't know for certain, but I strongly suspect on the drillpipe
<09:53> <fwtx> reiser = very opff topic
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<09:53> <mindcandy_27> fsck -y /mnt/blowout
<09:53> <CelestialBeard> how did we end up on reiserfs
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<09:53> <neilk> tony_: maybe not a robot-operated saw rated for 5000'? if we wanted one, we'd have to get it from BP or the like
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<09:53> <oleOily> They have been cutting 16 hours?
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<09:53> <smokebreak> yeah come on guys, lets stay on topic while we don't know what exactly is going on or if anything is going on
<09:53> <theDude> to estimate flow increae, you need to account for the pressure drop in the falling riser, which was about 30-50 psi
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<09:53> <Alfons> looks like they modified the saw frame to avoid those bolts?
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<09:53> <JosefGerbils> agree, fwtx ...
<09:53> <dsockwell> reiser ... riser ... if you kick me, kick me for punning
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<09:53> <kalalp> If this does't work look for CRAW to snip the top off.
<09:53> * JosefGerbils let's stay on topic, folks
<09:54> <fierce> cutting 2 hours, stuck 14 hours
<09:54> <Brooklynite> is DSAW running again?
<09:54> <maximies> no
<09:54> <smokebreak> what is the topic?
<09:54> <mi||ipede> This oil well is fsck'ed, that's for sure
<09:54> <Alfons> been nice if they had done that from the start
<09:54> <CRAW> No!
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<09:54> <evergreen> smokebreak: i think it was four hours cutting and the rest is history.
<09:54> <a2> You can talk about Hans Reiser in #CRAW
<09:54> <maximies> smokebreak, /topic
<09:54> <asadotzler> http://genesisattachments.com/product_detail.aspx?ID=378
<09:54> <bungeo> omg they cut the wrong one. it's the sewer
<09:54> <oelsardine> DSAW allignment is totally screwed
<09:54> <mindcandy_27> just how strong are those bolts? .. possible to wrap the wire cut around the back side of the bolt and pull forwards?
<09:54> <neilk> mi||ipede: think we knew that a while ago
<09:54> <oleOily> http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html
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<09:54> <mi||ipede> neilk: Yes, also it's an old pun
<09:54> <gunny> justone...yeah, me too, looked like that last night I thought.... tough nut to crack :(
<09:54> <kalalp> Alignment not critical
<09:54> <DonB> no topic.. DSAW is fubar & CRAW is AWOL
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<09:54> <oleOily> That LINK is the BEST looking CUT angle from BP point of view
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<09:54> <oleOily> HAHA
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<09:55> <Unconformity> Hey all. Been gone a couple of hours. Where are we?
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<09:55> <CRAW> Underwater
<09:55> <oelsardine> we're doomed ;D
<09:55> <ChunkyPastaSauce> ill bbiab... need shower
<09:55> <oleOily> Is the Cut 1/2 through yet?
<09:55> <asadotzler> ptone: http://genesisattachments.com/walkaround.aspx?ID=378&Name=XP%20Mobile%20Shear maybe useful?
<09:55> <Brooklynite> no change, Uncomformity
<09:55> <DonB> me too chuncky
<09:55> <joshuatc> did someone say CRAW~!!!!!!!
<09:55> <Alfons> I saw the saw alignment was wrong from the start, why the hell didn't they see that?
<09:55> <bungeo> hi unco. the rise is 1/3 cut
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<09:55> <smokebreak> craw
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<09:55> <oelsardine> Unconformity: dsaw sled sliding off the riser etc
<09:55> <evergreen> Unconformity: definitely not at work
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<09:56> <oleOily> Bung..it was cut 1/4 about 1am this morning
<09:56> <mi||ipede> I sort of think they it looks like it kindamight be half-way through ;P
<09:56> <CRAW> Smokebreak, uppercase pelase!
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<09:56> <maximies> are they cutting?
<09:56> <fava> Is this channel being logged somewhere?
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<09:56> <theDude> CRAW is not in shear mode. it is in wrecking ball mode
<09:56> <Dude_> BP has started pumping what little water remains in the ocean to make the oil easier to reach
<09:56> <smokebreak> CARW
<09:56> <brooxrox> they thought the drill pipe was closer to that side... but yeah, agreed, they shoulda just let the COG of the riser tube fall away from the saw cut
<09:56> <Futumpch> some people are reading it
<09:56> <mindcandy_27> you can log it yourself .. just turn in on in your IRC client
<09:56> <joshuatc> good pic of dsaw on msn homepage rigth now
<09:56> <fierce> PB is logging for criminal defense
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<09:56> <bungeo> dude good idea
<09:56> <gavacho> Anything different in the last 4 hrs? What did the CRAW do?
<09:56> <maximies> welding?!
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<09:56> <theDude> welding?
<09:56> <maximies> wtf?
<09:56> <soosoos> why aren't they rotating DSAW to take advantage of the last cut? Get a logger down there stat!
<09:56> <oleOily> I know diamond saw is slow....But I think the Velocity of OIL is preventing a faster cut
<09:56> <smokebreak> nothing new
<09:56> <DonB> photo flash?
<09:56> <smokebreak> WELDING!
<09:56> <proplus> high res camera.....
<09:57> <proplus> flash for it
<09:57> <SassyinAZ> giving alfons props, you were prophetic, or bp was reading along with us, to CRAW intervention as well, or we are that good, lol, whichever you prefer
<09:57> <maximies> oh
<09:57> <Alfons> DSAW looks like it was designed for one sort of saw job, not very versatile
<09:57> <Unconformity> sheesh. DSAW still stuck?
<09:57> <joshuatc> did someone say CRAW????
<09:57> <CRAW> WWCD - What Would CRAW Do? - T-shirts available at regular outlets.

[SidDithers]

84. The riser flange looks like a happy face...

:rofl:



Sid

[HughMoran]

86. You're weird

:rofl:

[NYC_SKP]

87. DUzy! (if we still had them) Oh well, ROFL!

:rofl:

[NYC_SKP]

92. My ABC feed has been interrupted by some lanky black fellow at a podium.

Good looking man, has a presidential sort of look to him.

:P

http://abcnews.go.com/video/video?id=6046305

[Feron]

93. Faux has the ROV feed...

http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=2

Looks like there might be hydrate buildup on that ROV.

[NYC_SKP]

94. Thanks, WKRG feed still has it, too.

http://www.livestream.com/wkrg_oil_spill

:hi:

[NYC_SKP]

95. Hey, that's a new and different ROV cam view, Excellent!

Thanks again.

:hi:

[NYC_SKP]

96. ATTN: Feron posted a different ROV view feed. Huge chunks of crystalized hydrates.

Thanks, Feron!

Check it out: http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=2


:thumbsup:

[Subdivisions]

97. Ohhhh! That's what that was. I was doing some work a few minutes ago and

I have the ROV cam up on the bigscreen during Andrea Mitchell's hour. I looked over and there's this huge rock looking blob and my mind was trying to sort it out, lol.

[NYC_SKP]

98. Looked like a filthy oily shop towel at first...

So, that's what frozen methane hydrate in an oily environment looks like.

It now looks like that ROV might be coming topside.

[Junkdrawer]

99. I thought I saw the diamond saw removed a couple of minutes ago....

Repairs? Mods? Replacement?

[SidDithers]

101. Yup, it's off the riser...

Sid

[NYC_SKP]

100. Time to Move on to Thread #11... LINK:

:hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=389

:patriot:

[flamingdem]

104. Where did 11 go? 11! ! nt