RE: Runaway well: What are THEY DOING?? Just gonna wait another 60 to 90 days?

[opihimoimoi]

The Oil Barons and their Cheapness of not having recovery methods standing by and upgraded...should be skinned alive..with the Gulf having hundreds of wells....recovery systems shoulda been on standby from DAY 1

REAL Leaders purchase/upgrade NEW FIRE TRUCKS....otherwise them Fire Depts everywhere still be using HORSES for Gods Sake.

A POSSIBLE APPROACH....concentrate oil into a large system encompassing the entire area around the wellhead and debris using waterproof membranes used for ag and aquaculture...they are flexible and very strong

surround the wellhead with a cone like structure using the membranes welded together on land ...sink using gps to encircle head.

using heavy anchors in 8 to 16 spots around head...ea anchor has a pulley to cable loop to surface 5 to 6000 ft

attach bottom of giant funnel like membrane to each anchor and slowly lower the funnelesque shape over the entire area of the wellhead so as the oil goes up this funnel for 500 or so feet..depends on height of debris....the top of the funnel is about 20 feet in diameter and is attached to a chute of the same material leading to the surface where its directed to a large elongated floating pond where it feed a fleet of hungry barges tankers..

pressure at this 1 mile depth will not make a diff re the performance of the membrane...the positive pressure of the oil wanting to float will drive it up the chute like apparatus...the means are there..all we gatta do is plan and implement..the hardhats will know how to rig this simple plan

this should be in operation within 2 to 3 weeks....$ should not be a worry at this point....mankind rides on this

This cannot go on for 3 months but if it does...the sooner we concentrate for recovery...the better...otherwise..we could be dooming millions from famines due to crop loss around the world...

please get this suggestion to them that decide

OPI.... who is pissed at them cheap SOBs for their CHEAPNESS and GREED

[TexasObserver]

1. It's going to run at least twice as long as it already has.

Triple the amount of oil that has already gushed into the ocean since this started in April.

They can't stop it before August, so that's at least two more months.

[opihimoimoi]

2. The effort to surround the wellhead area with heavy anchors to keep in place

the membranes can be done in 12 to 20 days with adequate budget manpower

everyday is a disaster....we cannot wait for the shutdown...

But we can at LEAST CONTAIN to concentrate oil recovery before it reaches the marshes beaches

[northoftheborder]

3. riser pipe cut

Did they get that large 21" riser pipe cut as planned???? They were 2-3 inches through when I went to bed, can't find any news about that this AM.

[meow mix]

4. as far as i can tell the saw failed halfway thru...

but i cant get any confirmation no ones talkin yet

[lunatica]

5. I'm definitely a lay person here but that actually makes sense to me

It's the first thing that has made sense and I'm no genius about these things. Use physics and the natural behavior of oil to gather it.

I hope you're sending this everywhere. Even though it might be like spitting into the wind.

[opihimoimoi]

9. I'm finding out when ya email them...only 1 outta 50 actually gets read and they use

the email to ask of support..

I jus noes they read this here DU...hopefully it gets to an engineer who is not a selfabsorbed geek....maybe...we shall see

pn the measn time, bp is doing show and tell moot shit...

[blindpig]

6. What, don't you care about their bottom line?

That is all they care about, all they can legally care about.

That is just part of what is wrong with Capitalism.

[opihimoimoi]

8. At this point...its the focus of contending with the escaped oil in a much more efficient manner...

the project mentioned is not very costly..those neoprene liners are cheap enough to make it plausible/feasible...

The goal is to minimize the damage that is ongoing....3 months is too long for a runaway well...

[blindpig]

11. I don't think that is much of a concern for BP...

other than the liability and PR aspect. The dispersant, the control of information, the weasel statements of the flaks all point to this. BP, like any conscientious capitalist entity, is only concerned with it's bottom line. It is cheaper(more profitable) for them to lawyer their way out of this and that's what they'll do. The Gulf, it's people and environment, don't mean shit to them other than a source of oil profits.

[opihimoimoi]

12. The answer suggested is far cheaper than letting this monster go on for months

the effect of so much oil in the ocean will mean higher odds for Major climatic shift and biosystem heavily impared..

Food source tainted for years syndrome will up the demand for food from anywhere....as a whole a major reduction source of food and its job train can mean bankruptcy for BP

The Laywers will feed on this one for years too

[Javaman]

7. It's like this...

They never had a solution.

They know full well that whatever they try will fail.

The know that the only thing that will fix this massive fuck up is relief wells.

So what we are being treated to now is; a gigantic dog and pony show in an effort to change the perception of the public into thinking that they, BP, are actually trying.

We the public want accountability, answers and a solution, they on the other hand want none of that and are doing everything in their power to obscure the reality that there is no solution other than drilling relief wells.

I'm waiting for the, probably now burned to crisp, memo stating that the blow out preventer never really worked and that is why they let it's batteries lapse.

this is reality.

Everyone was fine and happy, motoring right along, prior to this massive disaster. As a result, there was no reason to expect BP (or any oil corp for that matter) to be responsible or even feign responsibility.

Now, everyone expects the devil to take the blame.

Fat chance.

We live in a really fucked up time of addiction, blame and denial.

Exxon, Shell and Total have all be extremely quite during all of this. Interesting. They are doing the slow circle around BP, in hopes of scooping up what is left of them.

[opihimoimoi]

10. Well said...I concur 1000x times

[jp11]

13. Here you go.

http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/541843

[opihimoimoi]

14. thanks....not sure when a response is forth coming..

[tavalon]

15. I started reading The Oil Drum and Monkeyfister as soon as this came down

It wasn't hard to read between the lines, hell, sometimes it was spelled out. There was never going to be anything that would work except drilling multiple relief wells which will take, at best 2 months to accomplish. But, BP knew they had to look like they were doing something, anything. So they spent oodles of money on top hats, and top kills and junk shots and platitudes, hoping they could buy some time while doing the only thing that will stop this, drilling the relief wells.

I just hope they've been drilling these wells simultaneously with their Dog and Pony show because otherwise that was wasted PR time and the Gulf can't afford that.

I learned withing the first week that none of these other tricks would work, except to possibly save some executives lives and keep the unrest and heightening anger in check.

Now, we wait. There's plenty of blame to go around, but until those relief wells are in place, it serves no purpose but political to do anything but wait. Wait, watch and learn. Please, people we must learn. They knew this could happen and now it has. We need to leave that oil where it's supposed to be and learn to let go of the oil teat.

Carter was right. 35 years later, maybe, just maybe we can hear him. I fervently hope so.

[opihimoimoi]

16. I maintain we cannot just wait....but instead concentrate on ways to recover 95% of the oil within

10 mi of the wellhead...

if they cannot figure that one out...get them mech boys in there to do the damn job..the geeks are meeks...