OK -- Here's my preposterous suggestion re shutting off BP well . . .

[defendandprotect]

Let's round up ONE . . . maybe TWO . . .

no longer used submaries --

Sit them down on top of the well and just leave them there ....



Anyone else have their own preposterous suggestion?

[amborin]

1. think they might not be able to descend that far

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8455676&mesg_id=8455676

[defendandprotect]

4. Think they can -- this well is at 5,000 feet? Subs go to 35,000 ft....

The deepest deep diving submarine to date is Trieste. On October 5, 1959 Trieste departed San Diego for Guam aboard the freighter Santa Maria to participate in Project Nekton, a series of very deep dives in the Mariana Trench. On January 23, 1960, Trieste reached the ocean floor in the Challenger Deep (the deepest southern part of the Mariana Trench), carrying Jacques Piccard (son of Auguste) and Lieutenant Don Walsh, USN.<8> This was the first time a vessel, manned or unmanned, had reached the deepest point in the Earth's oceans. The onboard systems indicated a depth of 11,521 metres (37,799 ft), although this was later revised to 10,916 metres (35,814 ft) and more accurate measurements made in 1995 have found the Challenger Deep to be slightly shallower, at 10,911 metres (35,797 ft).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine#Submersion_and_trimming

and those are long ago subs --

You'd have to find a way to lay them down on the well --

and get whomever is in it out -- unless they can also be robotically controlled???

Bet we have a few of these things still laying around??

[Webster Green]

11. The Trieste is one of a kind.

Most subs are limited to 1500 feet or something. Some others are good for 4000 feet. There are deeper diving subs, but nobody wants to scrap them.

In any event, it wouldn't do shit. The oil and gas under pressure would just push them aside or flow around them. We're talking about 13,000 psi.

[defendandprotect]

19. Yep . . . was surprised to find that they can't go very deep . . .!!

How deep can you go in a submarine?
U.S. Navy submarines can submerge deeper than 800 feet. The actual depth is classified, but it is less than the deep-diving U.S. Navy-supported civilian research submarines that explore the bottom of the oceans.

[neverforget]

2. I was thinking maybe the cast of Armageddon. Bruce Willis did play the world's best

deep core oil driller. They saved the Earth from Comet Dottie, why not the BP Gusher? :shrug:

[tabatha]

3. Dump a file of rocks, ranging in size from small to large

with the smallest lowest.

[defendandprotect]

5. Well, that's beyond preposterous . . . let's get back to the subs ....

[havocmom]

28. Wow, must be some good shit

:wtf:

[defendandprotect]

45. You're right . . . it was a great idea . . .

didn't give it enough thought --

!!

[tabatha]

33. That was tongue-in-cheek.

[defendandprotect]

36. Hey, maybe it's a better idea than I thought ... as I reflect on it ....!!!

There would be more control -- and the weight would increase gradually --

My apologies for my initial comment -- think you might have something there???

[tabatha]

37. Rocks don't splinter at 5,000 feet pressure.

[defendandprotect]

42. That's another excellent point -- !!! And wouldn't be a great problem . . .

if some of them "missed" hitting the target . . . you'd simply have some rocks

on the ocean floor.

Not toxic either -- !!

OK -- I'm moving over to your idea -- more control and makes more sense overall!!

:)

Good thinking!!

[doc03]

6. I actually suggested one of our nuclear submarines just go sit

on it until they get the relief well dug. I don't think they are capable of diving that deep though. Maybe your idea would work but how you going sink it and get it to land right where you want it.

[defendandprotect]

12. You'd have to load some crap on it to make it heavier . . . I imagine?

Depends on what control you have over the sub as you bring it down . . . ???

Subs can land on the ocean floor --

[doc03]

24. Wikipedia says the Ohio Class Sub can dive over 800 feet

but the actual capability is classified, I doubt it would go a mile deep without being crushed like a soda can though.

[defendandprotect]

26. Yeah -- gave up on subs . . . think we need battle ships ... lots of old ones around???

[Ozymanithrax]

7. Submarines would be crushed like empty soda cans....

If they managed to drop them on top of the BOP, they would crush the BOP and make the leak worse.

This reminds me of a joke I heard about a group of scientists who convinced a monkey to put a cork in a elephants ass.

The punchline was mountains and mountains of shit.

This will have no more chance of working than putting an Aircraft Carrier on top of the well.

[defendandprotect]

13. Submarines don't get "crushed" when they sit on the ocean floor . . .

We already have the "shit" -- we need to cork it -- !!

And this well ain't no elephant!!

[Ozymanithrax]

32. No, it would be crushed long before it reached the floor...n/t

The problem here is that putting a heaving weight won't work. You do not get a good seal, and the oil just spills aorund the bottom.

[defendandprotect]

39. Think I understand what you're saying . . . . ??? A little different from

the way I think about subs.

Don't exactly know what you mean by a "heaving weight" . . .

but aren't submarines very big? Would presume the weight and size of a sub

would eclipse this? But, obviously this is just discussion -- opinion on my part.

It's just heartbreaking to think of the lack of plans, the lack of success -- and

worst of all two months before us before this may get capped!!

[Ozymanithrax]

47. This morning on NPR I heard an interview which may enlighten our thinking...

on this subject.

What was revealed in the interview, and this may be in other sources I have not read, is that BP discovered that the architecture beneath the ground may have been compromised in the blow out. An attempt to put a cork in the tube (which is what the submarine would do) would cause drastic leaks from deeper in the well. That oil would flow along fissures and natural faults and come out miles away. This makes sense to me.

You see, what they could do is just cut off the bent and broken riser and put a valve on the top, then close the valve. Oil would stop, in theory. Work better than putting a heavy weight on it.

Except. The Blow Out Preventer (BOP) was damaged and would then leak oil. If the BOP did not fail, the pipe underground has some flaw and the oil would be forced out elsewhere.

Literally, the only thing they can do is drill a relief well. Then, they can seal the original well and put a concrete plug in it. that is why they are trying to put a hat over the well and catch the oil. plugging the well against all the pressure can't be done, according to the man speaking on NPR.

[Robeson]

8. I still like the idea of shooting the Board of Directors of BP into the hole.

[defendandprotect]

22. Saw the CEO tonight on TV . . . very inconvenient for him... wants his life back -- !!!

[ZombieHorde]

9. My solution is to release a zombie plague upon the world.

The oil will still gush, but at least we will have zombies wandering around.

[Soylent Brice]

44. ^^^BEST ANSWER^^^

[ZombieHorde]

46. I love that sign! nt

[Urban Prairie]

10. Any idea involving weight and mass,

Will not work on the gusher because of pressure (water depth and gusher force) as well as 1000' of sediment on the Gulf's floor, IMO.

Next.

[defendandprotect]

15. Well, trying to put a box over it, of course, was one of BP's preposterous ideas . . .

subs can get to the ocean floor --

What's your idea for closing it?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. The box had a whole in it on top that pumped oil up and out.

So it was a lot better than your idea, in that it was actually plausible.

[itsrobert]

14. Aquaman

?

[AsahinaKimi]

20. Really?

[walldude]

16. I suggested ACME yesterday

I figure Wile E. Coyote might be able to come up with a plan... He couldn't do any worse than BP.

[recoveringdittohed]

25. This looks like a job for Rube Goldberg

Some of the techniques BP has been using sound a little like Rube Goldberg inventions.

http://www.rubegoldberg.com/

[walldude]

31. LOL.. Ole Rube has entered my mind a number of times since this fiasco

started. At this point I'm just trying to laugh because the reality is too depressing..

[Mendocino]

17. How about a pipe with a rubber bladder

on the end of it. Stick into broken pipe, pump bladder full with a liquid, plugs leak, sort of like an angioplasty. Might work better than my earlier idea, Operation Jump Shot, where the pipe is plugged with basketballs.;)

[L0oniX]

18. How about we jam that mutha fuckin BP CEO down the pipe.

[defendandprotect]

21. Revised preposterous suggestion: Sink a battle ship over it---?????

[havocmom]

30. just a thought, but wouldn't the oil and gas just travel around any ship you care to junk there?

It's not a divet that needs filling, it's a deep well that has thousands of pounds of pressure per square inch launched substance pouring forth.

Maybe we could just drop some peanut butter in there? Would make a better seal than a battleship shaped object.

Or, wax and some crazy glue.

[defendandprotect]

35. I think the weight of a battle ship might do it . . . . ??!!!

Nor is a battle ship "peanut butter" nor "crazy glue" ---

We need to sit something down on this thing -- while they are thinking of other

ways to cap it!

The thought of getting thru all of June and July before this is capped sometime in

August is just heartbreaking ....

[pscot]

23. I think we should get an enormous, automatic

mechanical finger. After we use our ginormous automatic finger to plug the leak, I'll be taking suggestions for where else we might want to put it.

[defendandprotect]

27. Apropos solution -- !!

:evilgrin:

[guitar man]

29. I still say

Shoot the goddamn thing full of tampons. After seeing what just one tampon does when it gets flushed down the toilet, I'd bet shooting a container load of them in there would stop the thing up.

There's my preposterous suggestion :crazy:

[donco6]

34. BOMBS BOMBS! That's the ticket!

[madinmaryland]

38. Nice post, McCain!!

Bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb BP!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. Stuff it full of all the fake moon landing footage.

[defendandprotect]

43. Think we have a winner . . . HERE . . .

This is tabatha's idea and the more I reflect on it, the better I like it!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8466805&mesg_id=8466861